The Doctine of Oneness

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THE DOCTRINE OF ONENESS: God is one and has always been one. Jesus is the man God became. Jesus did not exist before incarnation as God the Son. In His pre-incarnate state, He existed as the Father, God Himself. Now the two of them are in heaven together, God the Father and the man he became, the Son of God, Jesus Christ. The problem is that when I say the Father became a man people think it means I believe he stopped being an eternal Spirit after incarnation and that heaven was empty. This is not what I believe. God the Father continued to exist as a transendant, unlimited Spirit, while also becoming a man. The Father did not become confined to a human existence. It is not as though the omnipresent Spirit of God transformed himself into a man, to the exclusion of His existence as the Holy Spirit.
When God assumed a human existance with a complete human mind, psyche, will, and emotion etc. He was distinct from the Father while he continued to exist as the Father in heaven. As a genuine human being, Jesus was and is distinct from the Father. This is because of HIs humanity not because he is the second person of the Trinity. While I confess that the deity of the Son did pre-exist incarnation, I do not see that deity as the second person of the Trinity, known as " God the Son ", and separate from the Father or Holy Spirit, but rather as the uni-personal God of the old testament. Yahweh, the Father, the Great I Am.

Concerning the Holy Spirit, I believe He is the Spirit of God the Father and not a separate person of the Trinity, the third person known as " God the Holy Spirit. " The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God, He is the Spirit of the Father, He is the Spirit of Christ. God is a Spirit, the Holy Spirit. There is one God not three, nor are there three persons that create one God. He is one uni-personal God that He himself became flesh. There is no such person as God the son nor God the Holy Spirit but only God the Father, the son of God and the Spirit of God.
 

dscherck

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Mmm. Modalism/Sabellianism seems to be making a comeback after 19 centuries or so eh?

There is one God, but three persons. God the Father is God. God the Son is God. God the Spirit is God. But the Father is not the Son. The Son is Not the Spirit. And the Spirit is not the Son.

This "oneness doctrine" is quite simply, heresy. It's a very old heresy dating back to about the 2nd or 3rd century, but it is still a heresy.
 
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Mmm. Modalism/Sabellianism seems to be making a comeback after 19 centuries or so eh?

There is one God, but three persons. God the Father is God. God the Son is God. God the Spirit is God. But the Father is not the Son. The Son is Not the Spirit. And the Spirit is not the Son.

This "oneness doctrine" is quite simply, heresy. It's a very old heresy dating back to about the 2nd or 3rd century, but it is still a heresy.
#1 I am not a modalist.
#2 The Oneness doctrine is the truth of scripture, you are the heretic.
 
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Luke 1:35

"And the angel answered and said unto her the Holy Spirit shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that the holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God."

So the Holy Spirit begot the Son with the power of the Highest Lord God, so by that very same definition of the word the Holy Spirit is one and the same as the Father, basically the Holy Spirit is the Father. The Comforter whom the Father sends is the Holy Spirit, who is it that comes as that Holy Spirit? Jesus Christ said "I will come unto you." Thus showing Jesus Christ to be the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit is the Father who begot the Son by Mary, a mortal body, the Father begot a mortal body for His own use, for it was His desire to do so. In thus begetting the body the Holy Spirit became Father God, He Himself inhabited that body which the Holy Spirit had begotten and in doing so became the Son. The Son knew His sheep beforehand indeed He knows all His children, for their spirits were formed in Heaven by Christ as all things are by Him and through Him and without Him nothing can come into existence without Him, He is your Father in Heaven and only He can save you, for He made you, there is no other but Him, He is the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
 
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True cup, The holy spirit is the One that actually Fathered the Son. He is the Father of Jesus.
 
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watchmen, u should be careful about throwing around the word heretic. ppl have been burned alive for that.
 
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watchmen, u should be careful about throwing around the word heretic. ppl have been burned alive for that.
You need to re-read this thread. dscherck called me a heretic, and I respond to him in kind. Moreover it was the trinitarians burning people like myself for believing the truth, not vise versa.
 
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Tit for tat doesn't make it okay.
 
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Every mainstream denomination accepts the Trinity and not oneness. Early church writings (200-300 ad) condemn those who say the Father and the Son are the same person. The Trinity is not a perfect doctrine of God's nature, but it is the closest to it. I was only reading the book of Acts this morning which calls Jesus, God's Most Holy Servant. Oneness beliefs are very much an error.
 
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Every mainstream denomination accepts the Trinity and not oneness. Early church writings (200-300 ad) condemn those who say the Father and the Son are the same person. The Trinity is not a perfect doctrine of God's nature, but it is the closest to it. I was only reading the book of Acts this morning which calls Jesus, God's Most Holy Servant. Oneness beliefs are very much an error.
Can you say anything else at all beside everyone else believes it so I will too. Believe God not man.
 
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The incarnation created a distinction between God's existence as an incarnate man (genuine humanity and deity united in one theandric3 existence) and the same God's continued existence beyond the incarnation (exclusive Spirit, or theistic existence). The Father is exclusive deity while the Son, being God incarnate, is deity and humanity metaphysically united in one existence. The distinction between the Father and Son does not lie in the identity of Jesus' deity (as some distinct person in the eternal Godhead), but in the fact that the Son is a genuine human being. The distinctions between Father and Son are exclusively bound up in the incarnation, not in God's essential being.​
Because of the addition of a genuine human nature to God's eternal person, there arose a real relationship between Father and Son. This relationship was a temporal relationship arising due to God's existence as a genuine human being with a genuine human consciousness, not an eternal relationship between two distinct divine persons. Jesus is a real man with a genuine human existence. Because of His human nature, Jesus possesses human rationality, consciousness, spirit, soul, body, and will, giving Him the capacity for, and need for relationships as all men have need, even a relationship with God.
 
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If we are going to confess a Trinity we must ask why we do not find this triunity of God until the NT. We have to wonder why we never read about the second person in the OT. Why was the existence of a second person not revealed until the incarnation? Why is it that God has only spoken through the Son in these last days (Hebrews 1:1-3) if the Son has eternally existed alongside the Father? Does it make more sense to conclude that the Son is an eternally distinct person in the Godhead that God failed to mention until the NT, or is it more reasonable to conclude that "Son" has to do with the one uni-personal God's existence as a man, which existence did not come to be until the incarnation?

If there was no distinct person from the Father in the OT, what would we expect to find in the OT concerning the Son? Nothing. What do we find? Nothing. So why conclude that the Son of God is an eternal person in the Godhead, and reject the idea that "Son" pertains to God's incarnate existence, if we read nothing about the Son until the incarnation? Frankly, there is no good reason to do so. Trinitarians must account for the lack of evidence upon which they have concluded that the Son is eternal. They must account for the fact that God never disclosed His threeness until the NT, offer a viable explanation for such disclosure, and offer compelling evidence that would substantiate the belief that there ever was an eternal Son to be disclosed in the first place.

While both Trinitarian and Oneness theologies must account for the new revelation of God in the incarnation, there is a difference between saying the same person who revealed Himself to Moses in the OT became man in the NT (Oneness theology), and saying the second person in the Godhead no one knew existed became man in the NT (Trinitarian theology). While Oneness believers may be shocked to discover that God become man, Trinitarians would be shocked to see who showed up! In Oneness theology the person who shows up is the same person revealed the OT, not a different person in the Godhead we never knew about before. Trinitarian theology has to admit that a whole other person in the Godhead showed up on the scene in flesh, who is personally distinct from the personal God revealed in the OT. In Oneness theology we do not find a part of God that we have never known before; we find the same familiar God, but manifest in flesh.

Also, why is it that God is called "YHWH" before the incarnation, and only "Father" and "Son" after the incarnation? The Father-Son terminology only arises after the incarnation when God actually became a man. It is no surprise, then that we find a distinction between Father and Son starting in the NT (not the OT). Maybe we do not find such terminology in the OT because God was never "Father" (in the NT sense of the word describing the relationship between Father and Son) before He fathered a son in the incarnation. (See my article titled "Eternal Father, Eternal Son?") It is much more reasonable to conclude that the distinctions between Father and Son are temporal distinctions arising in the incarnation, not eternal distinctions within God's essential being.
 
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I argue that a Oneness theology best accounts for such a phenomenon, insisting that God is an absolute monad, the Spirit being His very nature and an aspect of His one person, and the Son being none other than His one person incarnated as a man, but distinguished from His continued existence beyond the incarnation due to the hypostatic union of His deity and humanity in one theandric existence. Oneness theology best accounts for the rise of distinction-terminology in the NT, and the emergence of the appellations "Father/Son," because it was not until the NT that God fathered a son, and it was not until the hypostatic union when God incorporated a human identity into His person that there arose such a need to make any distinctions in reference to God. The distinction, however, is never said to be between eternal persons in the Godhead. Such distinctions are only necessary in light of the incarnation and God's acquisition of a genuine human consciousness when He assumed a genuine human existence.



And Mahogony argues, everyone else believes in the Trinity. Which one is more convincing?
 
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Oneness theology maintains that God is uni-personal in nature. This uni-personal God Himself became a man, and yet continued to exist beyond the incarnation as the transcendent and exclusive Spirit as He always had prior to the incarnation. The deity of the Son and the deity of the Father, then, are not two distinct divine persons in the Godhead as in Trinitarian theology, but the same person. God now exists as a genuine man in the incarnation (Son), and yet continues to exist as God beyond the incarnation (Father). The Father is deity alone, while the Son is that same personal deity in metaphysical union with human nature, and thus a real human being.

Such an understanding is no different in principle than the Trinitarian understanding of the incarnation wherein God the Son comes to exist as man, and yet continues to exist as God the Son beyond the incarnation, all the while without becoming two persons. Where Oneness and Trinitarian theologies differ is not in our confession of a dual existence for one personal divine Being, but on the identity of that one Being. Trinitarian theology maintains that Being to be the second person of a tri-personal God, whereas Oneness theology maintains that Being to be the one uni-personal God.
 
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Three Gods or One? The Characterization of the one Triune God
In this section we will describe, within the insight that the Bible allows, the infinitely mysterious triune relationship that exists among the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
God Is One.
Deut. 6:4-9
4 "Listen, O Israel! The Lord is our God, the Lord alone. 5 And you must love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your soul, and all your strength. 6 And you must commit yourselves wholeheartedly to these commands that I am giving you today. 7 Repeat them again and again to your children. Talk about them when you are at home and when you are on the road, when you are going to bed and when you are getting up. 8 Tie them to your hands and wear them on your forehead as reminders. 9 Write them on the doorposts of your house and on your gates.
Holy Bible, New Living Translation
God Is Three.
Matt. 28:19-20
19 Therefore, go and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. 20 Teach these new disciples to obey all the commands I have given you. And be sure of this: I am with you always, even to the end of the age."
Holy Bible, New Living Translation
The Bible reveals emphatically and repeatedly that God is one. First Corinthians 8:4 proclaims that “there is no God but one.” God Himself declares in Isaiah 45:5, “I am Jehovah, and there is no one else; Besides Me there is no God.” Yet throughout Scripture this unique, singular God also attests to His own plurality. He said in Genesis 1:26, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness” (italics added). Isaiah 6:8 testifies to the same plurality: “Whom shall I send? Who will go for Us?” Though this plural aspect is alluded to in the Old Testament, not until the New Testament is God explicitly revealed in His Trinity. The clearest proclamation appears in Matthew 28:19, where the Lord Jesus charged the eleven apostles to disciple and baptize the nations “into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.” On one hand, the use of the singular noun “name” in this verse, rather than the plural “names,” denotes that the Three are the one unique God into whom the discipled nations are baptized. On the other hand, the specific enumeration of all three–the Father, the Son, and the Spirit–underscores Their mutual distinction.
The Father Is God.
Eph. 1:16-17
16 I have not stopped thanking God for you. I pray for you constantly, 17 asking God, the glorious Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, to give you spiritual wisdom and insight so that you might grow in your knowledge of God.
Holy Bible, New Living Translation
The Son Is God.
Heb. 1:8-12
8 But to the Son he says,
"Your throne, O God, endures forever and ever.
You rule with a scepter of justice.
9 You love justice and hate evil.
Therefore, O God, your God has anointed you,
pouring out the oil of joy on you more than on anyone else."
10 He also says to the Son,
"In the beginning, Lord, you laid the foundation of the earth
and made the heavens with your hands.
11 They will perish, but you remain forever.
They will wear out like old clothing.
12 You will fold them up like a cloak
and discard them like old clothing.
But you are always the same;
you will live forever."
NLT

The Spirit Is God.
Acts 5:1-11
1 But there was a certain man named Ananias who, with his wife, Sapphira, sold some property. 2 He brought part of the money to the apostles, claiming it was the full amount. With his wife's consent, he kept the rest.
3 Then Peter said, "Ananias, why have you let Satan fill your heart? You lied to the Holy Spirit, and you kept some of the money for yourself. 4 The property was yours to sell or not sell, as you wished. And after selling it, the money was also yours to give away. How could you do a thing like this? You weren't lying to us but to God!"
5 As soon as Ananias heard these words, he fell to the floor and died. Everyone who heard about it was terrified. 6 Then some young men got up, wrapped him in a sheet, and took him out and buried him.
7 About three hours later his wife came in, not knowing what had happened. 8 Peter asked her, "Was this the price you and your husband received for your land?"
"Yes," she replied, "that was the price."
9 And Peter said, "How could the two of you even think of conspiring to test the Spirit of the Lord like this? The young men who buried your husband are just outside the door, and they will carry you out, too."
10 Instantly, she fell to the floor and died. When the young men came in and saw that she was dead, they carried her out and buried her beside her husband. 11 Great fear gripped the entire church and everyone else who heard what had happened.
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Without a doubt, the divine Father is God. In Ephesians 1:17 Paul prays to “the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory,” who is the “one God and Father of all” (Eph. 4:6). The Bible also reveals that the Son is God. Addressing the Son, Hebrews 1:8 states, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever.” Initially, the Word, who was God, became flesh in the man Jesus which gives claim that Jesus was, is and always shall be a part of God before, during and after he lived on earth as the man (John 1:1-14
1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. 8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
KJV). Throughout His human living, the man Jesus was the very God manifested in the flesh. After Christ’s death and resurrection, Thomas worshipped Him confessing, “My Lord and my God!” (John 20:28
28 "My Lord and my God!" Thomas exclaimed.
NLT). Rom. 9:5 (5 Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are their ancestors, and Christ himself was an Israelite as far as his human nature is concerned. And he is God, the one who rules over everything and is worthy of eternal praise! Amen).
Furthermore, the Holy Spirit is God, as indicated in (Acts 5:3-4, where Ananias was told that in deceiving the Holy Spirit, he was lying to God.) Yet the Father, the Son, and the Spirit, though distinct, are not three separate Gods. The Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God, they are not three Gods but one God.
 
 
The Father and
the Son Are
Inseparable.
John 14:10-11;
8:29; 16:32
Though the Three are distinct in their eternal coexistence, They are by no means three separate Gods. Rather, They coinhere mutually and inseparably; that is, They indwell one another. Throughout the Gospels, the Lord Jesus took many opportunities to reveal to the disciples His mysterious coinherent relationship with the Father. For example, in John 14:11, the Lord responded to Philip’s desire to see the Father by assuring him of Their intrinsic oneness: “Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me.” Thus the Son, while physically on the earth, mystically dwelt in the Father and the Father in the Son. In addition, the Lord declared in John 6:46, “Not that anyone has seen the Father, except Him who is from God, He has seen the Father.” The Greek preposition para, translated “from” in this verse, literally means “from with.” Hence, the Son sent from God was simultaneously sent with God. The Lord testified of this intimate inseparability: “He who sent Me is with Me; He has not left Me alone” (John 8:29).
The Son
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Spirit Are
Inseparable.
John 14:16-18
2 Cor. 3:17
17 For the Lord is the Spirit, and wherever the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom
 
John 14 also witnesses to the same inseparable coinherence between the Son and the Spirit. In verses 16 and 17, the Son asks the Father to send the Spirit of reality to abide with and in the disciples. Yet in verse 18, the Son promises that He Himself is the One who will come to the disciples. The Spirit’s coming to the disciples after the resurrection of Christ was therefore actually the Son’s coming. This is confirmed in verse 26 where the Spirit sent by the Father came in the Son’s name. Since the Son’s name is equivalent to His person, the Holy Spirit’s coming in the Son’s name is tantamount to the Son’s coming. Hence, when the Holy Spirit comes, the Son comes both at the same time because The Father, The Son and the Holy spirit are all One (Think of it if you can as emotions, a Human can be sad, happy then angry in a matter of seconds from each distinctive feeling yet each one of those emotions come from one part of the human brain it does not take 3 or more brains to produce the emotion yet all at the same time those very different feelings can show up, sometime so quick it seems to be at the same time. Ever laughed so hard you cry or found it so pitiful being sad that it made you laugh it is a similar effect which expresses but a glimpse of the wonderful mysteries of God.) I have to admit even that description does not really reveal the true wonder of One God with three personalities but it is how I understand it.
The Father and
the Spirit Are
Inseparable.
John 15:26;
26 "But I will send you the Advocate—the Spirit of truth. He will come to you from the Father and will testify all about me. 27 And you must also testify about me because you have been with me from the beginning of my ministry. (NLT)
Matt. 10:20
20 For it is not you who will be speaking—it will be the Spirit of your Father speaking through you.
John’s Gospel goes similarly to show that the Father is inseparable from the Spirit. In 15:26, the same Spirit of reality, who proceeds from the Father, was to be sent to the believers by the Son from the Father. Again, both occurrences of the preposition “from” in this verse derive from the Greek para, literally “from with.” Hence the Spirit who was sent to us from the Father and proceeds from the Father was also sent with the Father and proceeds with the Father.
By comparing John 14:26 and 15:26, it becomes apparent that the Spirit was sent by both the Son and the Father; in addition, the Spirit who was sent from the Father came not only in the Son’s name but also came with the Father. These verses highlight the inseparability of the Three of the Triune God.
One can’t help marveling at the mysterious oneness of the Father, Son, and Spirit, especially as manifested by the Lord Jesus in His human living. Yet the Lord prayed before His impending crucifixion, in John 17:21 “That they all may be one; even as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be in Us; that the world may believe that You have sent Me” (John 17:14-26)
14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. 16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. 18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world. 19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.
20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; 21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: 23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world. 25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.
26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them. KJV ).
This prayer clearly conveys the Triune God’s desire that man share and enter into fellowship and relationship in unity with the Divine Trinity. Through Christ’s death and resurrection, the Triune God now dwells in His believers His children whom serve and worship (them God almighty) Ultimately, God desires that all His believers be built up into the one Body of Christ as the house of God to express the oneness of the Triune God.
(One Body which are collectively, individual believers in one accord, obedient to the terms and conditions of God’s Kingdom of Order and his Will)
 
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Some object to the Oneness understanding of God on the grounds that such an understanding cannot account for a real distinction or genuine relationship between Father and Son, at least not without resorting to a Nestorian Christology wherein Jesus' human nature communicates to His divine nature. Trinitarians reason that since the deity of the Father and the deity of the Son are the same personal deity in Oneness theology, all communications/relations between the Father and Son are nothing more than God talking to Himself, and only schizophrenics have relationships with themselves! This makes the Oneness view appear illogical, and a denial of the genuine relationship we find in Scripture between Father and Son. With such a conception of Oneness theology, it is understandable why some have concluded that the Oneness view is illogical and untrue to the Biblical data! This conception of Oneness theology, and of the person of Christ, however, is inaccurate.

Oneness theology can and does maintain a genuine relationship between the Father and Son without resorting to a Nestorian understanding of Christ. We need only avoid viewing the Father-Son distinction as a distinction between Christ's two natures, and recognize the genuineness of Christ's humanity, both of which we do. Any claim of a real relationship between Father and Son would be artificial and meaningless if it does not take the incarnation seriously, giving full weight to Jesus' humanity, recognizing a real union of His divine and human natures, and a true kenosis.
 

AgapeWarrior

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I stand firm that God the Father God the Son and God the spirit coexsist in unity and they collectivly are God almighty the one God.
 

AgapeWarrior

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really what ever point of view you go with is a personal choice the only true difference is that those who believe in the trinity take it that 3 are actually 1 while at the same time remaining 3 those who do not take to the trinity feel there are never any separations its One got with multiple personalities
what ever floats your boat so long as we both keep Jesus of ut most importance and spread his gospel then we are both within reach of the narrow path now how for we make it down that road. thats another topic all together.
 
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really what ever point of view you go with is a personal choice the only true difference is that those who believe in the trinity take it that 3 are actually 1 while at the same time remaining 3 those who do not take to the trinity feel there are never any separations its One got with multiple personalities
what ever floats your boat so long as we both keep Jesus of ut most importance and spread his gospel then we are both within reach of the narrow path now how for we make it down that road. thats another topic all together.
I almost agree with you. Oneness believers do not think God has multiple personalities. We Believe that God became a ginuine human beiing with a fully human will, spirit, phyche, and emotions. Other than that mischaractorization iof the Oneness belief your poast was right on. The duiference between the Trinity belief and the Oneness belief in inconsequencial, as long as we believe Jesus to be God, that He died for our sins, that He rose on the third day, and we serve Him as best we can through the empowerment of God's Holy Spirit within us.
 
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I stand firm that God the Father God the Son and God the spirit coexsist in unity and they collectivly are God almighty the one God.
The problem with your statement is that it is a oxymoron, you cannot maintain co-existence between equal persons or parts, or individuals as a collective and at the same time claim singular oneness, see they're opposites - uni-polar singularity and a multi-polar collectivity, it's like saying there is 'uniity in diversity' you can say it, but it does not make logical or truthful and if you analyze it one can only conclude the 'unity in diversity' is a oxymoron, much the same as a collective Godhead being one God, you can say it and repeat it, but it does not establish it as truth.
 
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