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i leave most of your posts alone.
for your sake.
i really shouldn't though.
since your beliefs are dangerous and blasphemous.
when i do post on them, you and those who keep clicking like on your stuff will have two options...
1) investigate and find out it's true...and keep clicking like on rank heresy anyway (which is most likely since they have reasons for clicking like that have nothing to do with your 'teaching')
2) not bother investigating...just keep moaning that big bad zone is picking on an orthodox christian
3) investigate and either ignore your teachings or actually rebuke you for false teaching.
so please bear with me nathan.
i will post on your belief system - which is a tiny cult, which sprang from a larger cult(s) - having sprung from and become a hybrid of Bullingerism; Armstrong & Branham, British Israelism; Christian Identity, and ancient Zohar racist and blasphemous fables.
k...nice talking to you again.
ttyl later....soon possibly.
for your sake.
i really shouldn't though.
since your beliefs are dangerous and blasphemous.
when i do post on them, you and those who keep clicking like on your stuff will have two options...
1) investigate and find out it's true...and keep clicking like on rank heresy anyway (which is most likely since they have reasons for clicking like that have nothing to do with your 'teaching')
2) not bother investigating...just keep moaning that big bad zone is picking on an orthodox christian
3) investigate and either ignore your teachings or actually rebuke you for false teaching.
so please bear with me nathan.
i will post on your belief system - which is a tiny cult, which sprang from a larger cult(s) - having sprung from and become a hybrid of Bullingerism; Armstrong & Branham, British Israelism; Christian Identity, and ancient Zohar racist and blasphemous fables.
k...nice talking to you again.
ttyl later....soon possibly.
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ya....all 70 of daniel's 70 weeks are periods of seven (7) years.
they run back to back...in order.
from week 1 to week 70, and all encompass the Redeeming Work of the Lord for His people Israel (Daniel's ppl) as Promised, when they were released from captivity and a small portion (including members from all 12 tribes) returned to Jerusalem.
those events lead to the arrival and Work of Messiah.
they end in the destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD...though that event does not fall within the 70 weeks, but is prophesied by Christ within it, as He walked the earth.
they run back to back...in order.
from week 1 to week 70, and all encompass the Redeeming Work of the Lord for His people Israel (Daniel's ppl) as Promised, when they were released from captivity and a small portion (including members from all 12 tribes) returned to Jerusalem.
those events lead to the arrival and Work of Messiah.
they end in the destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD...though that event does not fall within the 70 weeks, but is prophesied by Christ within it, as He walked the earth.
As you know Zone I am a big fan of a coming great tribulation
So the last week I can’t see it being fulfilled as yet, as for the other 69 weeks I don’t get it.
So the last week I can’t see it being fulfilled as yet, as for the other 69 weeks I don’t get it.
that's not the great tribulation of Matthew 24 - that was 70AD.
why would Jesus say to Christians today to flee Jerusalem and hope their flight isn't on a Sabbath?
why would He say when you see the events signalling the siege of 70AD, don't take anything with you, flee.
why would it be said woe to those who are with child and give suck in those days? - don't you know in the rebellion and destruction of and siege against those who refused to believe Jesus ate their children...and others took their children from their very wombs to eat them?
really...read Josephus.
We need to be careful that we don't get to the point that we are just trying to be "politically correct" for the sake of saving someone's feelings,instead of dealing with the truth. Show me one verse of scripture that says that we are to be "politically correct" If one can somehow say that Jesus was PC with the Pharisees please show me. Or was Paul being PC when he wrote this
Galatians 1
[SUP]6 [/SUP]I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— [SUP]7 [/SUP]which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. [SUP]8 [/SUP]But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! [SUP]9 [/SUP]As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!
Were they messing around with the gospel or were they taking it very,very seriously?
Galatians 1
[SUP]6 [/SUP]I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— [SUP]7 [/SUP]which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. [SUP]8 [/SUP]But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! [SUP]9 [/SUP]As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!
Were they messing around with the gospel or were they taking it very,very seriously?
dunno about anybody else.
somebody who is uttering blasphemies repeatedly after being shown, or ditto with heresies aren't MY brothers.
as for threats and false accusations?
let's see 'em.
put up or quit making foolish statements like that.
what threats? huh?
false accusations - if i've made any - show me....do it!
prove any assertions or debunking was false.
or you just gonna keep making demonizing posts with no back-up?
melodrama with no beef.
where's the beef EG?
prove your allegations!
somebody who is uttering blasphemies repeatedly after being shown, or ditto with heresies aren't MY brothers.
as for threats and false accusations?
let's see 'em.
put up or quit making foolish statements like that.
what threats? huh?
false accusations - if i've made any - show me....do it!
prove any assertions or debunking was false.
or you just gonna keep making demonizing posts with no back-up?
melodrama with no beef.
where's the beef EG?
prove your allegations!
dunno about anybody else.
somebody who is uttering blasphemies repeatedly after being shown, or ditto with heresies aren't MY brothers.
as for threats and false accusations?
let's see 'em.
put up or quit making foolish statements like that.
what threats? huh?
false accusations - if i've made any - show me....do it!
prove any assertions or debunking was false.
or you just gonna keep making demonizing posts with no back-up?
melodrama with no beef.
where's the beef EG?
prove your allegations!
somebody who is uttering blasphemies repeatedly after being shown, or ditto with heresies aren't MY brothers.
as for threats and false accusations?
let's see 'em.
put up or quit making foolish statements like that.
what threats? huh?
false accusations - if i've made any - show me....do it!
prove any assertions or debunking was false.
or you just gonna keep making demonizing posts with no back-up?
melodrama with no beef.
where's the beef EG?
prove your allegations!
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1. So your telling me this is a gospel message? Since when does interpretation of prophesy determine if a person will get to heaven, or be condemned to hell?
2. And you telling me false accusations. Bearing false witness, condemning people who do not agree with you and going all out on EVERY THREAD, even though it does not pertain to the issue at hand is honorable and Christlike?
3. Who said anything about being politically correct? Why is it no one is humble enough to chasten a person for doing what they do? when they have to KNOW DEEP inside what that person is doing is wrong?? Is everyone afraid of them??
I have never seen anything like this..
2. And you telling me false accusations. Bearing false witness, condemning people who do not agree with you and going all out on EVERY THREAD, even though it does not pertain to the issue at hand is honorable and Christlike?
3. Who said anything about being politically correct? Why is it no one is humble enough to chasten a person for doing what they do? when they have to KNOW DEEP inside what that person is doing is wrong?? Is everyone afraid of them??
I have never seen anything like this..
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as for the poster in question.. All people have to do is look at our conversations the past two years. and you will have all the proof you need.
If this is a salvation issue. We are all in trouble. because that means the gospel is MORE than just FAITH in the death burial and the resurrection of our savior Jesus Christ, his assention into heaven, and his gift of eternal life he promises to ALL who trust him completely through repentance.
THAT my friends (saying there is more to it) is a false gospel.
now take galations 1 and apply it to that!
If this is a salvation issue. We are all in trouble. because that means the gospel is MORE than just FAITH in the death burial and the resurrection of our savior Jesus Christ, his assention into heaven, and his gift of eternal life he promises to ALL who trust him completely through repentance.
THAT my friends (saying there is more to it) is a false gospel.
now take galations 1 and apply it to that!
1. Are you saying you didn't learn anything from history? For the most part the Jews got them WRONG and because they did it was a salvation issue. They missed Jesus being the suffering servant who would redeem them because they were looking for a conquering king. They got it wrong and it cost them their souls. It sure can be a salvation issue,and we better learn that from history.
2. Is what she is saying the truth? If not point it out. Is it wrong to point the errors? Was Jesus being gentle with the Pharisees,or was it just a mistake when He called them broods of vipers,tombs filled with dead men's bones,vile,wicked,perverse,sons of the devil,etc,etc? Was Paul being gentle when he said that those preaching another Christ were anamatha or cursed by God?
3. Are you afraid of her? What does being humble enough have to do with confronting someone? Sorry I am not afraid of Zone nor am I of you or anyone else here. If you think she is not telling the truth all you have to do is prove it. Either she is telling the truth or not. I myself am really tired of weak willed so called Christians who will NOT stand up and call a spade a spade,a lie a lie,a heresy a heresy, and so on. It's no wonder the Church is in the mess it is,a church having a form of godliness but no power behind it. No power to transform lives. Is it any wonder that many who call themselves Christian are NO different then the world around them?
2. Is what she is saying the truth? If not point it out. Is it wrong to point the errors? Was Jesus being gentle with the Pharisees,or was it just a mistake when He called them broods of vipers,tombs filled with dead men's bones,vile,wicked,perverse,sons of the devil,etc,etc? Was Paul being gentle when he said that those preaching another Christ were anamatha or cursed by God?
3. Are you afraid of her? What does being humble enough have to do with confronting someone? Sorry I am not afraid of Zone nor am I of you or anyone else here. If you think she is not telling the truth all you have to do is prove it. Either she is telling the truth or not. I myself am really tired of weak willed so called Christians who will NOT stand up and call a spade a spade,a lie a lie,a heresy a heresy, and so on. It's no wonder the Church is in the mess it is,a church having a form of godliness but no power behind it. No power to transform lives. Is it any wonder that many who call themselves Christian are NO different then the world around them?
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What is your argument? You think I do not KNOW and TEACH this?? this is what the problem is. NO one wants to sit and actually see what someone teaches. It is not a salvation issue WHEN THE GOSPEL IS NOT IN QUESTION. Jesus came 2000 years ago and took my sin on his self and paid the penalty in full. You actually going to sit there and claim i do not teach this?
Who's truth? Yours?? Mine?? Gods. Don't you understand some things will, and have been argued since even the NT church. And Paul himself said on some issues we should not be hating or condemning others?? So we can not agree to disagree.. but you or someone else is going to CONDEMN ME?? because I do not see it your way?? wow. this chatroom has gone downhill!!
lol, this is not even worth responding to. Thanks for showing your true heart.
not possible - if He didn't do it for Israel FIRST. IN FULL, He didn't do it for you.
but because some jews hate Him, you GUT the entire NT of it's message and power.
you say this is a "blinding" - not rejection, not reprobation, not unbelief, not anything else - a FALSE interpretation of Romans you refuse to reconsider. why? PRIDE.
it is not possible for you to be consistent, nor logical - because you do not align with Biblical Truth.
but you get around it all by fictionalizing some Land Deal; and by bleating people don't understand what you are saying.
and you don't listen to ANYONE.....nobody that doesn't also belong to the cult of Dispensationalism.
not even those who came out of it and want to show you!
"What is indisputably, absolutely, and uncompromisingly essential to the Christian religion is its doctrine of salvation... If Dispensationalism has actually departed from the only way of salvation which the Christian religion teaches, then we must say it has departed from Christianity. No matter how many other important truths it proclaims, it cannot be called Christian if it empties Christianity of its essential message. We define a cult as a religion which claims to be Christian while emptying Christianity of that which is essential to it. If Dispensationalism does this, then Dispensationalism is a cult and not a branch of the Christian church. It is as serious as that. It is impossible to exaggerate the gravity of the situation."
FORMER DISPENSATIONALIST John H. Gerstner, Wrongly Dividing the Word of Truth: A Critique of Dispensationalism (Brentwood TN: Wolgemuth & Hyatt, 1991), 150.
you were asked about this:
i asked you: let's see your proof that i have been making "false accusations. Bearing false witness, condemning" YOU.
bring out the false accusations and false witness about your beliefs...DO IT!
i was, with you...for 2 years - humble and patient and loving...calling you my brother. telling you i loved you.
even though you said the very same things you do now.
at the end of the day - ALL ERROR. all of it.
now i'm going to ask: is what i have been saying about the error of your beliefs Biblical Truth?
and what about all the others here who have repeatedly told you you're in error?
are they just out to get you too?
they're all falsely accusing too? because you are unmoved by the idea you're in error?
condemn?
what's with victim thing?
show where she condemned you!
show it!!!!
it's you making accusations!
oh the chatroom has gone downhill because dispensationalism and jew/gentile distinction is ERROR?
don't you know your system is striking at the heart of the Gospel?
her true heart?
what's THAT if not judging the motives...and condemning.
what a crybaby you turned out to be.
that's what i'm doing with YOU.
you MUST know deep inside what you are doing and saying is wrong.
unless you feel no conviction from the Spirit at all....
but because some jews hate Him, you GUT the entire NT of it's message and power.
you say this is a "blinding" - not rejection, not reprobation, not unbelief, not anything else - a FALSE interpretation of Romans you refuse to reconsider. why? PRIDE.
it is not possible for you to be consistent, nor logical - because you do not align with Biblical Truth.
but you get around it all by fictionalizing some Land Deal; and by bleating people don't understand what you are saying.
and you don't listen to ANYONE.....nobody that doesn't also belong to the cult of Dispensationalism.
not even those who came out of it and want to show you!
"What is indisputably, absolutely, and uncompromisingly essential to the Christian religion is its doctrine of salvation... If Dispensationalism has actually departed from the only way of salvation which the Christian religion teaches, then we must say it has departed from Christianity. No matter how many other important truths it proclaims, it cannot be called Christian if it empties Christianity of its essential message. We define a cult as a religion which claims to be Christian while emptying Christianity of that which is essential to it. If Dispensationalism does this, then Dispensationalism is a cult and not a branch of the Christian church. It is as serious as that. It is impossible to exaggerate the gravity of the situation."
FORMER DISPENSATIONALIST John H. Gerstner, Wrongly Dividing the Word of Truth: A Critique of Dispensationalism (Brentwood TN: Wolgemuth & Hyatt, 1991), 150.
you were asked about this:
i asked you: let's see your proof that i have been making "false accusations. Bearing false witness, condemning" YOU.
bring out the false accusations and false witness about your beliefs...DO IT!
i was, with you...for 2 years - humble and patient and loving...calling you my brother. telling you i loved you.
even though you said the very same things you do now.
at the end of the day - ALL ERROR. all of it.
now i'm going to ask: is what i have been saying about the error of your beliefs Biblical Truth?
and what about all the others here who have repeatedly told you you're in error?
are they just out to get you too?
they're all falsely accusing too? because you are unmoved by the idea you're in error?
condemn?
what's with victim thing?
show where she condemned you!
show it!!!!
it's you making accusations!
oh the chatroom has gone downhill because dispensationalism and jew/gentile distinction is ERROR?
don't you know your system is striking at the heart of the Gospel?
her true heart?
what's THAT if not judging the motives...and condemning.
what a crybaby you turned out to be.
that's what i'm doing with YOU.
you MUST know deep inside what you are doing and saying is wrong.
unless you feel no conviction from the Spirit at all....
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since she continues to ask me and continues to demand I show proof. I will just show one.
This is a false accusation (I do not believe this)
this is a false witness about what someone believes (a lie, as I have never taught this)
This is condemnation (She is claiming I teach a different gospel for the jews than for the gentiles. which I have NEVER STATED)
This is defamation of ones character. (She is misrepresenting what I believe, and what I teach)
Jesus paid the full price of salvation for ALL PEOPLE.. Not just Jew and gentile. but every man woman and child who ever lived from the time of adam until the last man woman or child who will ever be "saved by Grace" on this earth before it is destroyed.I have said this over and over and over. but she can't get it. because she will not sit still and listen to what people believe!
Everyone (I guess except miss zone here) knows I teach this.. I have been teaching it since I have been here.
yet it is perfectly fine for people to condemn and judge me.. But no one has the guts to chasten their sister when she lies about someone else belief?
Maybe you think this is helping her? and will help her be more loving if you do not judge her because as I have heard she is a young christian which does not know any better? Your not going to learn if you are not confronted with your wrongs..
To zone. You have asked me numerous times to stop talking to you. I have done that..
I try my best not to read anything you write.. I am sick of the false accusations you make against myself and others. and no longer want to participate in such rude actions from people who refuse to agree to disagree with someone, and make accusations KNOWING they are false accusations.
Good day!
well i guess i'll open some old threads and people can decide for themselves.
you teach another CHRIST!
i tend toward the same subjects you do EG...but don't flatter yourself thinking i'm there for you.
and don't engage me, or make backhanded accusations either.
you can engage on your OWN threads...i'll get a couple
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sorry for the derailment Peter....even though IT'S ALL CONNECTED.
you teach another CHRIST!
i tend toward the same subjects you do EG...but don't flatter yourself thinking i'm there for you.
and don't engage me, or make backhanded accusations either.
you can engage on your OWN threads...i'll get a couple
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sorry for the derailment Peter....even though IT'S ALL CONNECTED.
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see she refuses to admit it when it is plain as day.
how many times does one have to say even "if" (A Big IF) isreal rebuilds a temple. and starts sacrificing animals again, they will still be in sin and not saved by these levitical offerings until peopl eget it
How many times does someone have to say "If" (A big IF) Christ returns and sets up his kingdom, no one will be saved by levitical law. by sacrifice and offering or anything else but faith in Christ before someone gets it.
How many times does someone have to say Isreal is my enemy today because they teach a false gospel, before someone gets it
How many times does someone have to say "If" (A Big IF) Israel is returned to their land, it will not be because they are plain Jews, it will be because they have repented of their sin, (according to lev 26) Shunned the pagan Idols and levitical law as a means to eternal life, and received FAITH IN CHRIST as the only means to eternal life before someone gets it.
How many times does someone have to say NOT ALL PREMIL Views believe people get saved different ways in different ages (although SOME DO) before someone gets it?
How many times does someone have to say, They DID believe this at one time (they were brought up with the belief jews would be saved by returning to law) and found it to be a false doctrine, and left that line of thinking before someone gets it?
let her open other threads so she can TRY to prove things. all she will do is prove even further that she bears false witness and is condemning someone based on something THEY DO NOT BELIEVE.
how many times does one have to say even "if" (A Big IF) isreal rebuilds a temple. and starts sacrificing animals again, they will still be in sin and not saved by these levitical offerings until peopl eget it
How many times does someone have to say "If" (A big IF) Christ returns and sets up his kingdom, no one will be saved by levitical law. by sacrifice and offering or anything else but faith in Christ before someone gets it.
How many times does someone have to say Isreal is my enemy today because they teach a false gospel, before someone gets it
How many times does someone have to say "If" (A Big IF) Israel is returned to their land, it will not be because they are plain Jews, it will be because they have repented of their sin, (according to lev 26) Shunned the pagan Idols and levitical law as a means to eternal life, and received FAITH IN CHRIST as the only means to eternal life before someone gets it.
How many times does someone have to say NOT ALL PREMIL Views believe people get saved different ways in different ages (although SOME DO) before someone gets it?
How many times does someone have to say, They DID believe this at one time (they were brought up with the belief jews would be saved by returning to law) and found it to be a false doctrine, and left that line of thinking before someone gets it?
let her open other threads so she can TRY to prove things. all she will do is prove even further that she bears false witness and is condemning someone based on something THEY DO NOT BELIEVE.
C
I would suggest the following link: Biblical Studies
Of course there are different opinions about that 70 weeks.
Of course there are different opinions about that 70 weeks.