There are opposing views of Christians to Judaism, which is yours?

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The view from the early Catholic Church says St Paul opposes Judaism. It says Judaism is concerned with Mosaic Law, a law with an emphasis on the carnal. Because Jews failed to recognize Christ, approving of anything of Judaism is an attack on Christ. Jews are responsible for the death of Jesus. All of the Law was only in preparation for Christ, to listen to that law now is a denial of Christ, as is any participation in any of their rituals. The Law under Christ is only the Law of Love, not the Mosaic Law.

On the other hand is the view of Judaism taken from St. Augustine. He says the OT laws are good, not evil. They lead us to Christ and help us understand the meaning of Christ’s teaching. God even used the Jews for teaching, Augustine said, after the resurrection by bringing the bible with them wherever they went, so it was respected even by pagans.

A third view of Judaism has come to us through the scholars who have studied the writings of the very earliest Hebrews. Being able to read the writings archeology has found is relatively new. These scholars usually say that understanding the thinking in ancient times has opened up new and better understanding of the OT; they express a reverence for what they have learned. Most feel it is necessary to know the steps leading to Christ to understand Him fully.

Have you decided on which of these varying views is yours and why?
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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first we need to agree on a definition of 'judaism'
 

zone

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none of those are my views of Judaism.
you haven't defined Judaism.
 
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psychomom

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can we say that judaism and the Old Testament writings are not one and the same?
(certainly not judaism as it is practiced today...)

and maybe this is a stupid question, but why should Christians concern themselves with judaism?
the whole Old Testament points the way to Jesus...Who has come.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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can we say that judaism and the Old Testament writings are not one and the same?
(certainly not judaism as it is practiced today...)

and maybe this is a stupid question, but why should Christians concern themselves with judaism?
the whole Old Testament points the way to Jesus...Who has come.
So what your saying is you agree with a term applied to Christians. That since Christ was pointed to, and comes from the judaism of the OT (not the Pharisaical type but the mosaic type) that Christianity is in reality a judeo-christian religion?
 
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The Jewish nation is God's nation - promises were made to Israel (the person). These were promises that those who did not turn from God would be his people - forever.
That has not changed.
But obviously not all of 'Israel' has done or shall do God's will - that is, to accept His son.

Those Jews that come to Christ will be be God's chosen people. And the apostles will judge the 12 tribes from what Jesus said.
That has not changed despite the anti-semetic wishes of the Catholic church (which sees itself as God's chosen, and even thinks of Rome as God's 'capital' on earth instead of Jerusalem).

Paul didn't hate the Jews - he was a Jew and makes that perfectly clear in his writings. What he tried to say is that being Jewish is not what will save people. At the same time it does not condemn them if they accept Christ.

When Christ returns, he will return at Jerusalem (as the two angels/messengers told the apostles).

I think folks need to remember that Jesus was Jewish.
 
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psychomom

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So what your saying is you agree with a term applied to Christians. That since Christ was pointed to, and comes from the judaism of the OT (not the Pharisaical type but the mosaic type) that Christianity is in reality a judeo-christian religion?
nope. :)

the entire Bible is a Christian book.
the Hebrew nation was given the 'oracles of God', and they, too, were saved by faith in the Promise.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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nope. :)

the entire Bible is a Christian book.
the Hebrew nation was given the 'oracles of God', and they, too, were saved by faith in the Promise.

lol, yes they were, as were all people before them.

but I did not ask that. but thats ok :p
 

zone

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nope. :)

the entire Bible is a Christian book.
the Hebrew nation was given the 'oracles of God', and they, too, were saved by faith in the Promise.
 
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So what your saying is you agree with a term applied to Christians. That since Christ was pointed to, and comes from the judaism of the OT (not the Pharisaical type but the mosaic type) that Christianity is in reality a judeo-christian religion?
The Judaism which rejects Jesus of Nazareth as the Christ is not connected to Christianity, because it does not believe its own Scriptures regarding the Christ.

That's what Jesus showed in the parable of the rich man and Lazarus of Luke 16.
 
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carey

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I have an absolute love for Jewish people, after all they are God's chosen people, we as gentiles have been adopted into their inheritance. We were grafted in, my belief is we must study the old testament, because it points to Christ. The Jew's didn't kill Jesus, our sin and turning away from God did, Jesus even said "I lay my life down, no man takes it away