About "Eternal security" (once saved always saved)
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I was in a Bible study where a volunteer brought that same question. He gave Revelations 3:5 Hebrews 10:26 which made a really good case for losing your salvation. Then I posed that question to a Pastor and he said O.K. lets look at John 10:27,28,29 which says My sheep hear my voice , and I know them, and they follow me. And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, niether shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My father which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. When he read that to me I almost cried, it was so beautiful.
You are correct osas is a doctrine of demons! Dig deep, seek His truth, endure to the end, or else your faith can become shipwrecked!
The word of God speaks against the osas myth:
Eze 18:24 But when the righteous turns from his righteousness and does injustice, and does according to all the abominations that the wicked do, shall he live? All his righteousness that he has done shall not be remembered; in his trespass that he has trespassed, and in his sin that he has sinned, in them he shall die.
Eze 18:25 Yet you say, The way of Jehovah is not fair. Hear now, O house of Israel: Is not My way fair? Are your ways not unfair?
Eze 18:26 When a righteous one turns away from his righteousness and commits iniquity and dies in them; for his iniquity that he has done, he shall die.
Eze 18:27 Again, when the wicked turns away from his wickedness that he has committed and does that which is lawful and righteous, he shall save his soul alive.
Eze 18:28 Because he looks carefully, and turns away from all his sins that he has committed, he shall surely live; he shall not die.
Eze 18:29 Yet says the house of Israel: The way of Jehovah is not fair. O house of Israel, are not My ways fair? Are not your ways unfair?
Eze 18:30 So I will judge you, O house of Israel, each one of you according to his ways, says the Lord Jehovah. Turn and be made to turn from all your sins; and iniquity shall not be your stumbling-block.
Eze 18:31 Cast away from you all your sins by which you have sinned; and make you a new heart and a new spirit; for why will you die, O house of Israel?
Eze 18:32 For I have no delight in the death of him who dies, says the Lord Jehovah. Therefore turn and live.
The word of God speaks against the osas myth:
Eze 18:24 But when the righteous turns from his righteousness and does injustice, and does according to all the abominations that the wicked do, shall he live? All his righteousness that he has done shall not be remembered; in his trespass that he has trespassed, and in his sin that he has sinned, in them he shall die.
Eze 18:25 Yet you say, The way of Jehovah is not fair. Hear now, O house of Israel: Is not My way fair? Are your ways not unfair?
Eze 18:26 When a righteous one turns away from his righteousness and commits iniquity and dies in them; for his iniquity that he has done, he shall die.
Eze 18:27 Again, when the wicked turns away from his wickedness that he has committed and does that which is lawful and righteous, he shall save his soul alive.
Eze 18:28 Because he looks carefully, and turns away from all his sins that he has committed, he shall surely live; he shall not die.
Eze 18:29 Yet says the house of Israel: The way of Jehovah is not fair. O house of Israel, are not My ways fair? Are not your ways unfair?
Eze 18:30 So I will judge you, O house of Israel, each one of you according to his ways, says the Lord Jehovah. Turn and be made to turn from all your sins; and iniquity shall not be your stumbling-block.
Eze 18:31 Cast away from you all your sins by which you have sinned; and make you a new heart and a new spirit; for why will you die, O house of Israel?
Eze 18:32 For I have no delight in the death of him who dies, says the Lord Jehovah. Therefore turn and live.
John 3:16-21 [SUP]16 [/SUP]For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish , but have everlasting life .
[SUP]17 [/SUP]For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
Those who believe in the Lord Jesus are given eternal life. How long does eternal life last?
If it were only until a person who is saved by the Lord did some un-righteousness then it would not be eternal life that was given but only temporary, based on your own work, salvation. The bible explicitly teaches against this view of salvation. This view is called legalism.
The salvation that the bible teaches is eternal. It is not earned by our good works. It is not lost by our lack of good works. It is given by Grace. It is kept by Grace.
Romans 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance
Is Salvation a gift and is it given by God?
[SUP]17 [/SUP]For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
Those who believe in the Lord Jesus are given eternal life. How long does eternal life last?
If it were only until a person who is saved by the Lord did some un-righteousness then it would not be eternal life that was given but only temporary, based on your own work, salvation. The bible explicitly teaches against this view of salvation. This view is called legalism.
The salvation that the bible teaches is eternal. It is not earned by our good works. It is not lost by our lack of good works. It is given by Grace. It is kept by Grace.
Romans 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance
Is Salvation a gift and is it given by God?
Ok, firstly you have to realise you didnt 'accept' Jesus as your saviour by your own accord. If you are truley saved, the bible teaches that you had nothing to do with your salvation.
Ephesians 2:8- For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God
This verse teaches that even the faith you had to initially believe in God, was given to you as a gift, without this divine intervention you would have never turned to God.
1 Peter 1:3- According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again
Ephesians 2:9- Salvation is not by works, lest any an should boast
Now you understand that it was God who caused you to be saved and you did nothing towards you new birth, it might be easier to grasp the idea that you will also do nothing towards keeping your salvation.
Philippians 1:6- He who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Jesus Christ
It is his Holy Spirit, that came to live in us when we became born again who will keep us saved/seal us for the rest of our lives.
1 Corinthians 1:22- who also sealed us and gave the spirit in our hearts as a pledge
Trust me, if we had the ability to lose our salvation, we all would
Romans 3:10-11- There is none righteous, not even one, there is none who understands, there is none who seek after God
This means that there is nothing good in yourself (not even the ability to seek/accept God) but anything holy/good that comes from you is from the Holy Spirit, thats why Paul could say:
Romans 7:18- For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is in my flesh.
Thats why Paul encourages us to fight against the flesh and walk in the spirit.
Galatians 5:16-17- But I say, walk by the spirit, and you will not carry out the desires of the flesh. For the flesh sets its desire against the spirit, and the spirit against the flesh.
But even if we live a carnal life, mostly lving in the flesh but were truley born again, the Holy Spirit will never leave us and thus we still would have our salvation, However
1 Corinthians 6:9 says- Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.
Now this is not saying that those who lve in an pattern/lifestyle of any one of these sins have lost there salvation, its saying that living in such a lifestyle testifies that you have never been truley saved (i.e the Holy Spirit has never come to live in you). These are lfestyle sins that the holy spirit would not let you continue living in, Thats why in verse 11 it says to the believers:
1 Corinthians 6:11- Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.
Now I will leave you with the verse Hal51 quoted as it fittingly sums it all up.
John 10:27-29- My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand.
Ephesians 2:8- For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God
This verse teaches that even the faith you had to initially believe in God, was given to you as a gift, without this divine intervention you would have never turned to God.
1 Peter 1:3- According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again
Ephesians 2:9- Salvation is not by works, lest any an should boast
Now you understand that it was God who caused you to be saved and you did nothing towards you new birth, it might be easier to grasp the idea that you will also do nothing towards keeping your salvation.
Philippians 1:6- He who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Jesus Christ
It is his Holy Spirit, that came to live in us when we became born again who will keep us saved/seal us for the rest of our lives.
1 Corinthians 1:22- who also sealed us and gave the spirit in our hearts as a pledge
Trust me, if we had the ability to lose our salvation, we all would
Romans 3:10-11- There is none righteous, not even one, there is none who understands, there is none who seek after God
This means that there is nothing good in yourself (not even the ability to seek/accept God) but anything holy/good that comes from you is from the Holy Spirit, thats why Paul could say:
Romans 7:18- For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is in my flesh.
Thats why Paul encourages us to fight against the flesh and walk in the spirit.
Galatians 5:16-17- But I say, walk by the spirit, and you will not carry out the desires of the flesh. For the flesh sets its desire against the spirit, and the spirit against the flesh.
But even if we live a carnal life, mostly lving in the flesh but were truley born again, the Holy Spirit will never leave us and thus we still would have our salvation, However
1 Corinthians 6:9 says- Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.
Now this is not saying that those who lve in an pattern/lifestyle of any one of these sins have lost there salvation, its saying that living in such a lifestyle testifies that you have never been truley saved (i.e the Holy Spirit has never come to live in you). These are lfestyle sins that the holy spirit would not let you continue living in, Thats why in verse 11 it says to the believers:
1 Corinthians 6:11- Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.
Now I will leave you with the verse Hal51 quoted as it fittingly sums it all up.
John 10:27-29- My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand.
And in your digging and seeking, don't overlook:
Jn 10:27-29 - "My sheep listen to my voice. I know them and they follow me. I give them eternal (everlasting) life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them (including they themselves cannot escape) out of my hand. My father who has given them to me is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand."
Jn 6:39 - "And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all that he has given me, but raise him up at the last day. For my Father's will is that eveyone who looks to the Son, and believes in him (true faith, not false faith) shall have eternal life."
Php 1:6 - ". . .he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus (second coming)."
Heb 10:14 - ". . .he has made (past tense) perfect forever those who are being made holy (the saved)."
Ro 8:38 - ". . .neither death nor life. . .nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us (the saved) from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord."
1Pe 1:3-5 - ". . .he has given us new birth. . .into an inheritance. . .who through faith are shielded by God's power (from falling away) until the coming of the salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time (second coming).
2Pe 1:10-11 - ". . .make your calling and election sure (to yourself). For if you do these things, you will never fall (from faith), and you will receive a rich welcome into the eternal kingdom. (If you are not doing these things, your calling and election are not sure; i.e., you were never called and elected.)
Ro 8:28 - ". . .in all things God works for (accomplishes) the good of those. . .who have been called according to his purpose (salvation)." That excludes falling from faith.
Eph 1:4-5 - ". . .he chose us. . .to be holy and blameless. . .to be adopted as his sons."
Regeneration (born again) does not allow that, once having been redeemed from the rebel camp of Satan and adopted into God's family as sons,
we can then be snatched from God's hand (contrary to Jn 10:27-29). That makes God too small.
Consider what regeneration really is:
Regeneration is raising from spiritual death (Col 2:13; Eph 2:1, 5) and the old nature (Eph 2:3),
into eternal life (God's life--2Pe 1:4; 1Jn 3:9; Jn 14:17), and a new nature/self (Eph 4:24; Col 3:10),
which makes us new creatures (2Co 5:17), like the transformation process of a caterpillar into a butterfly (Ro 12:2; cf Mt 7:2; Mk 9:2).
To "lose salvation" is to be snatched from the Father's hand, to reverse all that mighty work of God, and to reverse the transformation process, like the butterfly going back into a caterpillar.
That is imposible in the natural order, and it is impossible in the spiritual order, of which the natural order is a copy,
as the natural order is a copy of the spiritual order in conception and birth, where we have no choice in the matter (Jn 1:13), and are completely acted upon.
Scripture often speaks of professors (who are not possessors) as in the kingdom, but not of the kingdom.
See Lk 8:13-15; 1Jn 2:19; Mt 13 parables; Jn 8:30-31, 44, 15:2, 6; Gal 5:4; Heb 6:4-6, 10:29.
The specific phrase, "in the kingdom, but not of the kingdom," is not stated in Scripture, but specific illustrations of it are given; e.g.:
Lk 8:13-15, where the word is received with joy when they hear it, but they have no root (regeneration).
They believe for a while (false faith), but in the time of testing they fall away (because they have no root, they are not reborn).
They were in the kingdom for a while, but they were not of the kingdom.
1Jn 2:19 - "They went out from us (the kingdom), but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going was to show that none of them belonged to us (the kingdom).
They were in the kingdom, but they were not of the kingdom.
In the parables in Mt 13 on the nature of the kingdom, those in 13:24-30 are weeds in the kingdom (v.25, 41), but not of the kingdom (v.30, 41).
Likewise, those in 13:47-50 are bad fish in the net (kingdom), who are in the kingdom (net-v.47), but not of the kingdom (vv.48-49).
In Jn 8:31-47, those who believed in Jesus (v.31) did not hold to his teaching (v.31-33).
They were in the kingdom, but not of the kingdom (vv.44, 47).
They belonged to the enemy (Jn 8:44), not to the kingdom,
just as in the parable of the the weeds, they belonged to the enemy (Mt 13:25), not to the kingdom.
In Jn 10:1, the robber who climed into the sheep pen (kingdom of God), rather than entering through the gate (Jesus), was in the kingdom, but not of the kingdom. He belonged to the enemy, not to the kingdom, as in Mt 13:25 and Jn 8:44.
In Jn 15:1, Jesus is the vine (kingdom) where the Father cuts off the branches that bear no fruit. Those branches are in the kingdom, but not of the kingdom.
In Gal 5:4, they have fallen away from grace; i.e., they have gone to law-keeping. Those who continued in law-keeping after being warned of the consequences were in the kingdom, but not of the kingdom. Those of the kingdom abandoned law-keeping.
Heb 6:4-6, 10:29 is the same kind of situation. Those who returned to Judaism after being warned of the consequences were in the kingdom, but not of the kingdom. Those of the kingdom did not return to Judaism.
So while the phrase "in the kingdom but not of the kingom" is not specifically stated, it is specifically illustrated in the above (as the phrase "sovereignty of God" is not specifically stated, but it is specifically illustrated--Da 4:35).
Those who fall away or leave the fold were never really saved in the first place.
The NT is clear that the born again do not lose their salvation.
Jn 10:27-29 - "My sheep listen to my voice. I know them and they follow me. I give them eternal (everlasting) life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them (including they themselves cannot escape) out of my hand. My father who has given them to me is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand."
Jn 6:39 - "And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all that he has given me, but raise him up at the last day. For my Father's will is that eveyone who looks to the Son, and believes in him (true faith, not false faith) shall have eternal life."
Php 1:6 - ". . .he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus (second coming)."
Heb 10:14 - ". . .he has made (past tense) perfect forever those who are being made holy (the saved)."
Ro 8:38 - ". . .neither death nor life. . .nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us (the saved) from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord."
1Pe 1:3-5 - ". . .he has given us new birth. . .into an inheritance. . .who through faith are shielded by God's power (from falling away) until the coming of the salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time (second coming).
2Pe 1:10-11 - ". . .make your calling and election sure (to yourself). For if you do these things, you will never fall (from faith), and you will receive a rich welcome into the eternal kingdom. (If you are not doing these things, your calling and election are not sure; i.e., you were never called and elected.)
Ro 8:28 - ". . .in all things God works for (accomplishes) the good of those. . .who have been called according to his purpose (salvation)." That excludes falling from faith.
Eph 1:4-5 - ". . .he chose us. . .to be holy and blameless. . .to be adopted as his sons."
Regeneration (born again) does not allow that, once having been redeemed from the rebel camp of Satan and adopted into God's family as sons,
we can then be snatched from God's hand (contrary to Jn 10:27-29). That makes God too small.
Consider what regeneration really is:
Regeneration is raising from spiritual death (Col 2:13; Eph 2:1, 5) and the old nature (Eph 2:3),
into eternal life (God's life--2Pe 1:4; 1Jn 3:9; Jn 14:17), and a new nature/self (Eph 4:24; Col 3:10),
which makes us new creatures (2Co 5:17), like the transformation process of a caterpillar into a butterfly (Ro 12:2; cf Mt 7:2; Mk 9:2).
To "lose salvation" is to be snatched from the Father's hand, to reverse all that mighty work of God, and to reverse the transformation process, like the butterfly going back into a caterpillar.
That is imposible in the natural order, and it is impossible in the spiritual order, of which the natural order is a copy,
as the natural order is a copy of the spiritual order in conception and birth, where we have no choice in the matter (Jn 1:13), and are completely acted upon.
Scripture often speaks of professors (who are not possessors) as in the kingdom, but not of the kingdom.
See Lk 8:13-15; 1Jn 2:19; Mt 13 parables; Jn 8:30-31, 44, 15:2, 6; Gal 5:4; Heb 6:4-6, 10:29.
The specific phrase, "in the kingdom, but not of the kingdom," is not stated in Scripture, but specific illustrations of it are given; e.g.:
Lk 8:13-15, where the word is received with joy when they hear it, but they have no root (regeneration).
They believe for a while (false faith), but in the time of testing they fall away (because they have no root, they are not reborn).
They were in the kingdom for a while, but they were not of the kingdom.
1Jn 2:19 - "They went out from us (the kingdom), but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going was to show that none of them belonged to us (the kingdom).
They were in the kingdom, but they were not of the kingdom.
In the parables in Mt 13 on the nature of the kingdom, those in 13:24-30 are weeds in the kingdom (v.25, 41), but not of the kingdom (v.30, 41).
Likewise, those in 13:47-50 are bad fish in the net (kingdom), who are in the kingdom (net-v.47), but not of the kingdom (vv.48-49).
In Jn 8:31-47, those who believed in Jesus (v.31) did not hold to his teaching (v.31-33).
They were in the kingdom, but not of the kingdom (vv.44, 47).
They belonged to the enemy (Jn 8:44), not to the kingdom,
just as in the parable of the the weeds, they belonged to the enemy (Mt 13:25), not to the kingdom.
In Jn 10:1, the robber who climed into the sheep pen (kingdom of God), rather than entering through the gate (Jesus), was in the kingdom, but not of the kingdom. He belonged to the enemy, not to the kingdom, as in Mt 13:25 and Jn 8:44.
In Jn 15:1, Jesus is the vine (kingdom) where the Father cuts off the branches that bear no fruit. Those branches are in the kingdom, but not of the kingdom.
In Gal 5:4, they have fallen away from grace; i.e., they have gone to law-keeping. Those who continued in law-keeping after being warned of the consequences were in the kingdom, but not of the kingdom. Those of the kingdom abandoned law-keeping.
Heb 6:4-6, 10:29 is the same kind of situation. Those who returned to Judaism after being warned of the consequences were in the kingdom, but not of the kingdom. Those of the kingdom did not return to Judaism.
So while the phrase "in the kingdom but not of the kingom" is not specifically stated, it is specifically illustrated in the above (as the phrase "sovereignty of God" is not specifically stated, but it is specifically illustrated--Da 4:35).
Those who fall away or leave the fold were never really saved in the first place.
The NT is clear that the born again do not lose their salvation.
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Because in this dispensation called the Church Age, once we get saved, we are sealed by the Holy Spirit unto the day of Redemption (See Ephesians 4:30)
Also, when you get saved, you get baptized into the Body of Christ. And you become a member of his body. Here is the Scriptural proof:
For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. - Ephesians 5:30 (King James Bible)
As the Scriptures declare if a person is truly saved, he is flesh of Christ's flesh and bones. And once you are saved you cannot fall out of the Body of Christ.
If a Christian could lose his salvation after he got saved, then guess what? That Christian never had eternal life to begin with! These false teachers who teach that you can lose your salvation are liars. And they try to make a liar out of God. For a pastor to tell you that you can lose your salvation is to call God a liar!
Choose to believe God and not men. God promised those who came to Him and Believed on Him that He would give them eternal life.
That whosoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life. - John 3:15 (King James Bible)
He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. - 1 John 5:10 (King James Bible)
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Because in this dispensation called the Church Age, once we get saved, we are sealed by the Holy Spirit unto the day of Redemption (See Ephesians 4:30)
Also, when you get saved, you get baptized into the Body of Christ. And you become a member of his body. Here is the Scriptural proof:
For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. - Ephesians 5:30 (King James Bible)
As the Scriptures declare if a person is truly saved, he is flesh of Christ's flesh and bones. And once you are saved you cannot fall out of the Body of Christ.
If a Christian could lose his salvation after he got saved, then guess what? That Christian never had eternal life to begin with! These false teachers who teach that you can lose your salvation are liars. And they try to make a liar out of God. For a pastor to tell you that you can lose your salvation is to call God a liar!
Choose to believe God and not men. God promised those who came to Him and Believed on Him that He would give them eternal life.
That whosoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life. - John 3:15 (King James Bible)
He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. - 1 John 5:10 (King James Bible)
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'The faith' refers to the teachings of the Apostles once delivered to the saints. This is speaking of an apostasy from that body of truth as the next verses give some examples. It is not speaking of regenerate believers.
through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared, who forbid marriage and require abstinence from foods that God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, for it is made holy by the word of God and prayer. If you put these things before the brothers, you will be a good servant of Christ Jesus, being trained in the words of the faith and of the good doctrine that you have followed.
(1Ti 4:2-6)
Notice vs. 6 speaking of doctrine.
through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared, who forbid marriage and require abstinence from foods that God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, for it is made holy by the word of God and prayer. If you put these things before the brothers, you will be a good servant of Christ Jesus, being trained in the words of the faith and of the good doctrine that you have followed.
(1Ti 4:2-6)
Notice vs. 6 speaking of doctrine.
When is a person a SAVED SOUL? The problem is not whether the Children of God has eternal security or not? It is when is a person a CHILD OF GOD?
People have it WRONG! You say: when a person accepts Jesus as their personal saviour.... Can you show me ONE person or ONE verse where a person did this in the Bible? Do you know there is no such teaching in the Bible. God says MANY ARE CALLED FEW ARE CHOSEN.... Do you see that the choice is not the people that chose but GOD! It is not the person who accepts Jesus, it is GOD giving a person to Jesus!
False doctrines misled MANY people. Once saved NO! always saved is pretty much the ORER of GOD! Let me ask you this... HOW GOOD DOES GOD SAVE? How sinless and perfect does God make HIS Children? Or better still, can Jesus be a sinner? Can God sin? IF God hates sin, and His Children are mafe ONE with Him, would they want to sin? EVER?
I say NO! And 1 John 3:9 says they CANNOT sin, BECASUSE THEY ARE BORN OF GOD AS JESUS WAS BORN OF GOD! And WHOSOEVER is born of God sinneth NOT!
Again, the BORN AGAIN, and the CHILD OF GOD, and the ONE WITH GOD, and the ADOPTION into HIS BODY... ALL that is just too twisted for some people! They have NO IDEA what God does with people HE SAVES!
People have it WRONG! You say: when a person accepts Jesus as their personal saviour.... Can you show me ONE person or ONE verse where a person did this in the Bible? Do you know there is no such teaching in the Bible. God says MANY ARE CALLED FEW ARE CHOSEN.... Do you see that the choice is not the people that chose but GOD! It is not the person who accepts Jesus, it is GOD giving a person to Jesus!
False doctrines misled MANY people. Once saved NO! always saved is pretty much the ORER of GOD! Let me ask you this... HOW GOOD DOES GOD SAVE? How sinless and perfect does God make HIS Children? Or better still, can Jesus be a sinner? Can God sin? IF God hates sin, and His Children are mafe ONE with Him, would they want to sin? EVER?
I say NO! And 1 John 3:9 says they CANNOT sin, BECASUSE THEY ARE BORN OF GOD AS JESUS WAS BORN OF GOD! And WHOSOEVER is born of God sinneth NOT!
Again, the BORN AGAIN, and the CHILD OF GOD, and the ONE WITH GOD, and the ADOPTION into HIS BODY... ALL that is just too twisted for some people! They have NO IDEA what God does with people HE SAVES!