Suicidal thoughts/actions

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Dekote

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Before I start I just want to say that I'm not looking for help here, there's only one deity that can do that and I'm still waiting, I just recently saw a thread called Suicide and I wanted to see yours and others opinion on this matter while talking to an actual suicidal person. After all, if I have to do one thing before I die I'll at least help some people learn to talk to an actual suicidal person without making the situation worse.

So just put what your feelings on the matter is, if you think a person who commits suicide will go to hell, or what you would say to a suicidal person.

Only rule: if you're going to quote scripture, can you please translate it because there's an 85 percent chance I'll misinterpret it (I'm only 14 after all)

Thank you for your time, I know I might be waisting it.
 

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In so many words any person who refuses Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior is committing suicide...it may be a slow death but suicide nonetheless.
 
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Dekote, You need help, and their are people that can help you! I am one of them! I was suicidal when I was 20 yrs old. The only thing that stoped me from doing it was the thought that if i did this I would go to Hell! And Hell is far worse than anthing that I could ever suffer here on earth!!! You see, in reality, you are a soul that lives in a body. and when you die you will leave your body and either go to heaven or hell! And suicide is a one way ticket to Hell! Suicide is self murder. And therefor a crime! Many people think that when they commit suicide that they are ending all of their problems. That is the lie that satan tells them so that they will kill themselves. In reality, once they have died, they are taken to a place of suffering that is far worse than what they ever thought of suffering here on earth: and they are going to be their forever! there is no getting out of Hell once you are there! So instead of ending their pain, they intensify it! So suicide is not an answer to your problems! Committing your life to serve God is! Thats what i did, and that is what you must do as well!

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Suicide
. (self murder):
A. Suicide is repugnant to the very nature of all living being's and is an outrage against God; The creator. God give's men life, and to God must men commit their end. Those who turn their hand against themselves are hateful to God, and He will punish both them and their descendant's. To all that they have suffered in this life, they must not now add this sin against their creator. (Josephus "History of the Jewish war" III 8)
B. It is the last sin a non-believer commits; and is (in most case's) unpardonable if a believer commits it. I Cor 3:16-17 state's: 16 Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? 17 If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which temple you are. (NKJ)
C. It is also an act of unbelief. You are stating that your situation is so bad that God cannot help you.
You are also putting your own desire's above God's. (i.e. desiring to end the trials rather than pick up your cross and follow Jesus.) Could you imagine where we would be if Jesus had committed suicide? We would be without hope. Jesus submitted himself to God and went to the cross. What If God want's us to go through a similar death? (As most of the 1st century church did). Should we pick up our cross and follow Jesus? Or, in the face of the coming torture, Kill ourselves? If you read the book "Foxes book of martyr's" You will discover that none of the Martyr's opted for suicide; even though many suffered slow, tortuous death's. Most went, singing praises to God. As a result, Many people came to saving faith. They are examples to us that suicide is not an option in the face of persecution and torture. If it were, all of them would have killed themselves instead of being tortured to death. But shall we say to the potter who form's the clay, "What are you doing?" Shall we annul God's will for us? Shall we annul God's judgment? Will we condemn God in order to justify our action? (Job 40:8): Or take Job's righteous attitude and say, "Though He slay me, I will hope in Him." (Job 13:15) And learn that we can endure all thing's through Christ who strengthens us. (Phil 4:12-13) And learn how to boast of our infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon us.(As Paul did. II Cor 11:23-30,12:5-10). For when we are weak, then we are strong in Christ!
(II Cor 11:23 23 Are they servants of Christ? (I am out of my mind to talk like this.) I am more. I have worked much harder, been in prison more frequently, been flogged more severely, and been exposed to death again and again. 24 Five times I received from the Jews the forty lashes minus one. 25 Three times I was beaten with rods, once I was stoned, three times I was shipwrecked, I spent a night and a day in the open sea, 26 I have been constantly on the move. I have been in danger from rivers, in danger from bandits, in danger from my own countrymen, in danger from Gentiles; in danger in the city, in danger in the country, in danger at sea; and in danger from false brothers. 27 I have labored and toiled and have often gone without sleep; I have known hunger and thirst and have often gone without food; I have been cold and naked. 28 Besides everything else, I face daily the pressure of my concern for all the churches. 29 Who is weak, and I do not feel weak? Who is led into sin, and I do not inwardly burn? 30 If I must boast, I will boast of the things that show my weakness. (NIV)
II Cor 12:5 5 I will boast about a man like that, but I will not boast about myself, except about my weaknesses. 6 Even if I should choose to boast, I would not be a fool, because I would be speaking the truth. But I refrain, so no one will think more of me than is warranted by what I do or say. 7 To keep me from becoming conceited because of these surpassingly great revelations, there was given me a thorn in my flesh, a messenger of Satan, to torment me. 8 Three times I pleaded with the Lord to take it away from me. 9 But he said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness." Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ's power may rest on me. 10 That is why, for Christ's sake, I delight in weaknesses, in insults, in hardships, in persecutions, in difficulties. For when I am weak, then I am strong. (NIV)


Certainly we have not suffered as much as Paul did. Let us therefore follow his example. (Paul did not commit suicide.)
1 Peter 4:1919 Therefore let those who suffer according to the will of God commit their souls to Him in doing good, as to a faithful Creator. NKJV
 
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Dekote

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To many mental problems, 70 percent chance of getting an early form of alztimers before 25 and it's already showing, not worth staying, there is no help.
 
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Suicide
(self murder):

A. Suicide is repugnant to the very nature of all living being's and is an outrage against God; The creator. God give's men life, and to God must men commit their end. Those who turn their hand against themselves are hateful to God, and He will punish both them and their descendant's. To all that they have suffered in this life, they must not now add this sin against their creator. (Josephus "History of the Jewish war" III 8)

B. It is the last sin a non-believer commits; and is (in most case's) unpardonable if a believer commits it. I Cor 3:16-17 state's: 16 Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? 17 If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which temple you are. (NKJ)

C. It is also an act of unbelief. You are stating that your situation is so bad that God cannot help you.

You are also putting your own desire's above God's. (i.e. desiring to end the trials rather than pick up your cross and follow Jesus.) Could you imagine where we would be if Jesus had committed suicide? We would be without hope. Jesus submitted himself to God and went to the cross. What If God want's us to go through a similar death? (As most of the 1st century church did). Should we pick up our cross and follow Jesus? Or, in the face of the coming torture, Kill ourselves? If you read the book "Foxes book of martyr's" You will discover that none of the Martyr's opted for suicide; even though many suffered slow, tortuous death's. Most went, singing praises to God. As a result, Many people came to saving faith. They are examples to us that suicide is not an option in the face of persecution and torture. If it were, all of them would have killed themselves instead of being tortured to death. But shall we say to the potter who form's the clay, "What are you doing?" Shall we annul God's will for us? Shall we annul God's judgment? Will we condemn God in order to justify our action? (Job 40:8): Or take Job's righteous attitude and say, "Though He slay me, I will hope in Him." (Job 13:15) And learn that we can endure all thing's through Christ who strengthens us. (Phil 4:12-13) And learn how to boast of our infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon us.(As Paul did. II Cor 11:23-30,12:5-10). For when we are weak, then we are strong in Christ!

(II Cor 11:23 23 Are they servants of Christ? (I am out of my mind to talk like this.) I am more. I have worked much harder, been in prison more frequently, been flogged more severely, and been exposed to death again and again. 24 Five times I received from the Jews the forty lashes minus one. 25 Three times I was beaten with rods, once I was stoned, three times I was shipwrecked, I spent a night and a day in the open sea, 26 I have been constantly on the move. I have been in danger from rivers, in danger from bandits, in danger from my own countrymen, in danger from Gentiles; in danger in the city, in danger in the country, in danger at sea; and in danger from false brothers. 27 I have labored and toiled and have often gone without sleep; I have known hunger and thirst and have often gone without food; I have been cold and naked. 28 Besides everything else, I face daily the pressure of my concern for all the churches. 29 Who is weak, and I do not feel weak? Who is led into sin, and I do not inwardly burn? 30 If I must boast, I will boast of the things that show my weakness. (NIV)
II Cor 12:5 5 I will boast about a man like that, but I will not boast about myself, except about my weaknesses. 6 Even if I should choose to boast, I would not be a fool, because I would be speaking the truth. But I refrain, so no one will think more of me than is warranted by what I do or say. 7 To keep me from becoming conceited because of these surpassingly great revelations, there was given me a thorn in my flesh, a messenger of Satan, to torment me. 8 Three times I pleaded with the Lord to take it away from me. 9 But he said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness." Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ's power may rest on me. 10 That is why, for Christ's sake, I delight in weaknesses, in insults, in hardships, in persecutions, in difficulties. For when I am weak, then I am strong. (NIV)

Certainly we have not suffered as much as Paul did. Let us therefore follow his example. (Paul did not commit suicide.) 1 Peter 4:19
19 Therefore let those who suffer according to the will of God commit their souls to Him in doing good, as to a faithful Creator. NKJV

Elder1
 
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Abiding

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Id ride it out. The problem is the Lords.
Right? We dont know what He will make of it.
Im sorry for your illness tho. :eek:
 
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Dekote

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You double posted.
 
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Suicide
(self murder):

A. Suicide is repugnant to the very nature of all living being's and is an outrage against God; The creator. God give's men life, and to God must men commit their end. Those who turn their hand against themselves are hateful to God, and He will punish both them and their descendant's. To all that they have suffered in this life, they must not now add this sin against their creator. (Josephus "History of the Jewish war" III 8)

B. It is the last sin a non-believer commits; and is (in most case's) unpardonable if a believer commits it. I Cor 3:16-17 state's: 16 Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? 17 If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which temple you are. (NKJ)

C. It is also an act of unbelief. You are stating that your situation is so bad that God cannot help you.

You are also putting your own desire's above God's. (i.e. desiring to end the trials rather than pick up your cross and follow Jesus.) Could you imagine where we would be if Jesus had committed suicide? We would be without hope. Jesus submitted himself to God and went to the cross. What If God want's us to go through a similar death? (As most of the 1st century church did). Should we pick up our cross and follow Jesus? Or, in the face of the coming torture, Kill ourselves? If you read the book "Foxes book of martyr's" You will discover that none of the Martyr's opted for suicide; even though many suffered slow, tortuous death's. Most went, singing praises to God. As a result, Many people came to saving faith. They are examples to us that suicide is not an option in the face of persecution and torture. If it were, all of them would have killed themselves instead of being tortured to death. But shall we say to the potter who form's the clay, "What are you doing?" Shall we annul God's will for us? Shall we annul God's judgment? Will we condemn God in order to justify our action? (Job 40:8): Or take Job's righteous attitude and say, "Though He slay me, I will hope in Him." (Job 13:15) And learn that we can endure all thing's through Christ who strengthens us. (Phil 4:12-13) And learn how to boast of our infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon us.(As Paul did. II Cor 11:23-30,12:5-10). For when we are weak, then we are strong in Christ!

(II Cor 11:23 23 Are they servants of Christ? (I am out of my mind to talk like this.) I am more. I have worked much harder, been in prison more frequently, been flogged more severely, and been exposed to death again and again. 24 Five times I received from the Jews the forty lashes minus one. 25 Three times I was beaten with rods, once I was stoned, three times I was shipwrecked, I spent a night and a day in the open sea, 26 I have been constantly on the move. I have been in danger from rivers, in danger from bandits, in danger from my own countrymen, in danger from Gentiles; in danger in the city, in danger in the country, in danger at sea; and in danger from false brothers. 27 I have labored and toiled and have often gone without sleep; I have known hunger and thirst and have often gone without food; I have been cold and naked. 28 Besides everything else, I face daily the pressure of my concern for all the churches. 29 Who is weak, and I do not feel weak? Who is led into sin, and I do not inwardly burn? 30 If I must boast, I will boast of the things that show my weakness. (NIV)
II Cor 12:5 5 I will boast about a man like that, but I will not boast about myself, except about my weaknesses. 6 Even if I should choose to boast, I would not be a fool, because I would be speaking the truth. But I refrain, so no one will think more of me than is warranted by what I do or say. 7 To keep me from becoming conceited because of these surpassingly great revelations, there was given me a thorn in my flesh, a messenger of Satan, to torment me. 8 Three times I pleaded with the Lord to take it away from me. 9 But he said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness." Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ's power may rest on me. 10 That is why, for Christ's sake, I delight in weaknesses, in insults, in hardships, in persecutions, in difficulties. For when I am weak, then I am strong. (NIV)

Certainly we have not suffered as much as Paul did. Let us therefore follow his example. (Paul did not commit suicide.)1 Peter 4:19
19 Therefore let those who suffer according to the will of God commit their souls to Him in doing good, as to a faithful Creator. NKJV

Elder1
 
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Dekote

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Elder1 has now triple posted.
 
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Dekote

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I think you were past the 5 minute limit. It's fine though.
 
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Elder1 has now triple posted.
don't know how it got posted the third time. But i cannot delete them so I have to live with them being there. Sorry about the tripple post, it was not intentionale!

elder1
 
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CDavid

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Before I start I just want to say that I'm not looking for help here, there's only one deity that can do that and I'm still waiting, I just recently saw a thread called Suicide and I wanted to see yours and others opinion on this matter while talking to an actual suicidal person. After all, if I have to do one thing before I die I'll at least help some people learn to talk to an actual suicidal person without making the situation worse.

So just put what your feelings on the matter is, if you think a person who commits suicide will go to hell, or what you would say to a suicidal person.

Only rule: if you're going to quote scripture, can you please translate it because there's an 85 percent chance I'll misinterpret it (I'm only 14 after all)

Thank you for your time, I know I might be waisting it.
I hope suicide is not an unforgivable sin. I think of it a lot. And pray for God to take me every night, before I sleep.
And if what Jesus said about adultery applies to all sin, then I'm already guilty and have no hope at all.
 
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hattiebod

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been trying to deltete my first post, cant do it for some reason! sorry a bout the double post. the second one is better formated.

elder1
I hope suicide is not an unforgivable sin. I think of it a lot. And pray for God to take me every night, before I sleep.
And if what Jesus said about adultery applies to all sin, then I'm already guilty and have no hope at all.
Suicide is an act by a desperate person, someone who thinks their position is hopeless. I hope if anyone posting here is truly thinking of ending their life, that they can call someone, talk to someone is person...Samaritans? LifeLine? so they can talk to a caring person. There is hope, but just telling them that is not enough. We need to be able to spend time with the person, listen to them and show them they are valuable and there is a way forward and they are not alone. Christians feel despair too. Sometimes, when the there seems to be no choices, death is a good option. This is a 'chat forum' and not the best place to get the support for this, there are many caring people here but what the suicidal person needs is someone totally devoted to them and to their struggle. We are all sinners, when we repent of our sins and accept Christs sacrifice on the cross, we are forgiven. Christs death on the cross has paid the price for ALL our sin. There is always hope, our hope is in Him, not ourselves. Thank God for that!! We are all guilty, but our guilt is washed clean away by the blood of Jesus. This promise is for all who believe in Him....all. YOU!! cling to that, know it. Read it in the Word and find a loving Christian man to meet with you, draw alongside you and support you as you learn to walk in the freedom and promises of God, freely given to you. God Bless you. <><
 
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Dekote

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Well looks like we're two of a kind. I think the exact same way. But I'll forget everything so in a way, I'm in a safe-zone.
 
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CDavid

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Suicide is an act by a desperate person, someone who thinks their position is hopeless. I hope if anyone posting here is truly thinking of ending their life, that they can call someone, talk to someone is person...Samaritans? LifeLine? so they can talk to a caring person. There is hope, but just telling them that is not enough. We need to be able to spend time with the person, listen to them and show them they are valuable and there is a way forward and they are not alone. Christians feel despair too. Sometimes, when the there seems to be no choices, death is a good option. This is a 'chat forum' and not the best place to get the support for this, there are many caring people here but what the suicidal person needs is someone totally devoted to them and to their struggle. We are all sinners, when we repent of our sins and accept Christs sacrifice on the cross, we are forgiven. Christs death on the cross has paid the price for ALL our sin. There is always hope, our hope is in Him, not ourselves. Thank God for that!! We are all guilty, but our guilt is washed clean away by the blood of Jesus. This promise is for all who believe in Him....all. YOU!! cling to that, know it. Read it in the Word and find a loving Christian man to meet with you, draw alongside you and support you as you learn to walk in the freedom and promises of God, freely given to you. God Bless you. <><
There's always hope in Jesus, but that hope is not in this life. It is in the life to come. There's not always much hope in this life.
If I were younger, that would be different.
 
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Ariel82

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Dekote, if you ever have to counsel someone who is suicidal, the best thing is to show that you love them and care if they live or die. Most are crying out for help, otherwise they would already be dead. I would pray and ask God for the words that may comfort them. I typically try and engage in conversation with them and just give them an ear to listen to and try and encourage them with Bible verses and music until THEY tell me that they are ok. Pray for their protection and for them to break free of any lies that make them feel such despair instead of the Joy that can be found in Christ...............there are some suicide hotlines they can call 24-7 and if you are in school telling a counselor will put them on suicide watch and contact their parents. .................here are a few numbers I found online.... I'm not sure how effective they are...............National Suicide Prevention Lifeline 1-800-273-TALK (8255):
...............<my enter key is broken, sorry for the long paragraph> ..........................................NEW-HOPE (714) 639-4673...............this website will allow you to find a local hotline, even if you are not in the US: Suicide Hotlines - Suicide.org! Suicide Hotlines - Suicide.org! Suicide Hotlines - Suicide.org! ....................it is 6:30 am now and its says you posted 5 hours ago. so it was 1:30 am Eastern Standard time.............I think a lot of people are still asleep....
 
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CDavid

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Dekote, if you ever have to counsel someone who is suicidal, the best thing is to show that you love them and care if they live or die. Most are crying out for help, otherwise they would already be dead. I would pray and ask God for the words that may comfort them. I typically try and engage in conversation with them and just give them an ear to listen to and try and encourage them with Bible verses and music until THEY tell me that they are ok. Pray for their protection and for them to break free of any lies that make them feel such despair instead of the Joy that can be found in Christ...............there are some suicide hotlines they can call 24-7 and if you are in school telling a counselor will put them on suicide watch and contact their parents. .................here are a few numbers I found online.... I'm not sure how effective they are...............National Suicide Prevention Lifeline 1-800-273-TALK (8255):
...............<my enter key is broken, sorry for the long paragraph> ..........................................NEW-HOPE (714) 639-4673...............this website will allow you to find a local hotline, even if you are not in the US: Suicide Hotlines - Suicide.org! Suicide Hotlines - Suicide.org! Suicide Hotlines - Suicide.org! ....................it is 6:30 am now and its says you posted 5 hours ago. so it was 1:30 am Eastern Standard time.............I think a lot of people are still asleep....
"break free of any lies that make them feel such despair"
Sometimes the truth makes them feel such despair

"Joy that can be found in Christ."
The joy we find in Christ is not of this world nor in this life.

Some may say that those who are suicidal need psychiatric help. Others may think you would have to be crazy, to want to continue living with the existing conditions, and a promise of only worse in this life. This is especially true, when there is great hope in the next life, and none in this one.
 
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Before I start I just want to say that I'm not looking for help here, there's only one deity that can do that and I'm still waiting, I just recently saw a thread called Suicide and I wanted to see yours and others opinion on this matter while talking to an actual suicidal person. After all, if I have to do one thing before I die I'll at least help some people learn to talk to an actual suicidal person without making the situation worse.

So just put what your feelings on the matter is, if you think a person who commits suicide will go to hell, or what you would say to a suicidal person.

Only rule: if you're going to quote scripture, can you please translate it because there's an 85 percent chance I'll misinterpret it (I'm only 14 after all)

Thank you for your time, I know I might be waisting it.
The bible does not mention suicide in detail anywhere, nor whether it is a sin or not. It is open-ended.

Though there are several people who committed suicide, and others who asked to be killed, in the bible.

Judas committed suicide, Paul committed suicide, and Elijah, the great prophet, asked to be killed.

I do not believe suicide is something someone can, as I often say, 'throw a scripture at'. When you condemn a suicidal person to the 'hell' that most believe in, you give them more burden, and it is unbiblical.

We are taught to look after the poor, feed the needy, shelter the homeless. This comes by simple, tender compassion. Talk to them like a human being, not like a 'sinner', because we are ALL one of those.

I have dealt with several people in my life who have felt suicidal, and I learnt one thing from them all; they do not find comfort in words they have already searched for and read. They find comfort in no philosophy unless it is put forward with utter care, attention and love. And it is the love itself, from another, that they will find comfort in.

They generally know the contemporary view of suicide generally; that people see it as an unforgivable sin, but this statement is not said anywhere in the bible. It is all assumption. What that person really needs, is love.

I heard suicide once described as 'when a person's pain outweighs their ability to cope'. So we give them ability to cope. Someone to talk to. Not fear, not reprieve, not malice, not spite. Simply listening can make all the difference. Giving them that one friend. Love IS patient. And love does not take pleasure in the suffering of others.

When someone says 'God will look after you', or something like that, it is like saying to the hungry man 'God will fill you', when we ourselves have the means to bring that man to eating, to give him food.

When you see a suicidal person, realise that they are in deep emotional conflict, in deep emotional pain, and sometimes, emotional pain can literally become physical.

IT is an awful experience and I've been there myself. There is nothing more hopeless to be told than 'you will go to eternal hell if you do'. Even when someone says it roundaboutly, It's like saying 'God hates you because you feel suicidal'. It is terrible and I wish it on nobody. They say it thinking it will 'stop' that person from 'doing it'. But what it really does is take away every piece of control that that person has. They feel as though they cannot live, yet they cannot cause themselves to die. They have nothing to live for in these moments. And to truly show them God, a person must show them love. Because that is what they need.

Love is the great healer. But coldness brings a hopelessness to people.