PreTrib Rapture Moment 1: Are Modern Christians REALLY Pre-Trib. Rapture Believers?

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ChosenbyHim

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PreTrib Rapture Moment 1: Are Modern Christians REALLY Pre-Trib. Rapture Believers?

By Bryan Denlinger


[video=youtube;Avej7l03qv0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Avej7l03qv0[/video]​
 

Radius

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I believe in Mid-trib, pre-wrath, pre-7 bowl judgments rapture.
 
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I am pre trib. Mid trib has some sense , but post trib makes absolutely no sense. First of all the church and the Holy spirit is the only thing that hinders satan from making his move. Just as God told noah to make an ark to escape his wrath, He will do the same for those that believe What confuses most is that the church will be raptured and then the 144,000 jews will be raptured at mid trib. then the two witness will be raptured.

Bring it on guy's I know that you will refute this and have many scriptures to prove your point and so do I.
 
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Graybeard

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oh no!! here we go again...round an round the mulberry bush..the mulberry bush...the mulberry bush......
 

starfield

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I totally agree that most modern Christians are not living like it's a pre-trib imminent rapture.
 

crossnote

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The Wrath to come is not for God's children.

That's the extent of my nursery school comprehension of Eschatology.
 
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peterT

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I believe in Mid-trib, pre-wrath, pre-7 bowl judgments rapture.
That’s good, but how is that mid-trib?

There we are stand on the sea of glass AFTER getting the victory over the beast and his mark,Then the seven angels having the seven last plagues pour out the wrath of God upon the people that have the mark of the beast.

Rv15:1 And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God.

2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.
6 And the seven angels came out of the temple, having the seven plagues, clothed in pure and white linen, and having their breasts girded with golden girdles.
8 And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God, and from his power; and no man was able to enter into the temple, till the seven plagues of the seven angels were fulfilled.

As you can see, we are in the heavens or some place AFTER getting the victory over the beast and his mark and before the wrath is poured out on the people that have the mark of the beast


Rv16:2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.

10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,


That makes it post-trib, pre-wrath


NOT mid-trib pre-wrath. Unless you have some scripture
 
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peterT

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I am pre trib. Mid trib has some sense , but post trib makes absolutely no sense. First of all the church and the Holy spirit is the only thing that hinders satan from making his move. Just as God told noah to make an ark to escape his wrath, He will do the same for those that believe What confuses most is that the church will be raptured and then the 144,000 jews will be raptured at mid trib. then the two witness will be raptured.

Bring it on guy's I know that you will refute this and have many scriptures to prove your point and so do I.
NO YOU DON’T

There is no jesus coming in the Bible before the great tribulation.

These so-called bible scholars have feigned the pre-tribulation coming/rapture from the imagination for their own hearts, these are what we would call the false prophets and a pre-tribulation Christian has fallen for the words of the false prophets, being sucked in, and deceived.

There is no event in the Bible were Jesus comes in the clouds before the tribulation.

There is no event in the Bible of a last trumpet sounding or any trumpet sounding before the tribulation.

There is no event in the Bible were the dead rise before the tribulation.

There is no event in the Bible were the living rise before the tribulation.

There is no event in the Bible were the angels do any reaping before the tribulation

There is no event in the Bible were you see us being gathered in the air or in the clouds before the tribulation.

There is no story in the Bible showing that Jesus will come before the great tribulation


“NOTHING” “ ZIP” DIDDLY-SQUAT. “0”.
 

RickyZ

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The trumpets and seals contain judgments, and God repeated says we will see judgment. The bowls pour out God's wrath, which He repeatedly says we are spared. The term tribulation covers both these perods. Thus we will see tribulation judgment but not tribulation wrath. We are caught up at the end of tribulation judgment.
 
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peterT

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The trumpets and seals contain judgments, and God repeated says we will see judgment. The bowls pour out God's wrath, which He repeatedly says we are spared. The term tribulation covers both these perods. Thus we will see tribulation judgment but not tribulation wrath. We are caught up at the end of tribulation judgment.
Not shore what you are saying here, but it sounds like you are saying its mid-trib.

Is that right ?

If so do you have any scripture to say that? Or to show that?
 
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For it is written: Revelation 4: [SUP]1[/SUP]After these things I looked, and behold, a door standing open in heaven. And the first voice which I heard was like a trumpet speaking with me, saying, “Come up here, and I will show you things which must take place after this.” [SUP]2 [/SUP]Immediately I was in the Spirit; and behold, a throne set in heaven, and One sat on the throne. [SUP]3 [/SUP]And He who sat there was like a jasper and a sardius stone in appearance; and there was a rainbow around the throne, in appearance like an emerald. [SUP]4 [/SUP]Around the throne were twenty-four thrones, and on the thrones I saw twenty-four elders sitting, clothed in white robes; and they had crowns of gold on their heads. [SUP]5 [/SUP]And from the throne proceeded lightnings, thunderings, and voices. Seven lamps of fire were burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God. [SUP]6 [/SUP]Before the throne there was a sea of glass, like crystal. And in the midst of the throne, and around the throne, were four living creatures full of eyes in front and in back. [SUP]7 [/SUP]The first living creature was like a lion, the second living creature like a calf, the third living creature had a face like a man, and the fourth living creature was like a flying eagle. [SUP]8 [/SUP]The four living creatures, each having six wings, were full of eyes around and within. And they do not rest day or night, saying:“Holy, holy, holy,
Lord God Almighty,
Who was and is and is to come!”

[SUP]9 [/SUP]Whenever the living creatures give glory and honor and thanks to Him who sits on the throne, who lives forever and ever, [SUP]10 [/SUP]the twenty-four elders fall down before Him who sits on the throne and worship Him who lives forever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying:
[SUP]11 [/SUP]“You are worthy, O Lord,
To receive glory and honor and power;
For You created all things,

And by Your will they exist and were created.”


Revelation 5: [SUP]1[/SUP]And I saw in the right hand of Him who sat on the throne a scroll written inside and on the back, sealed with seven seals. [SUP]2 [/SUP]Then I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, “Who is worthy to open the scroll and to loose its seals?” [SUP]3 [/SUP]And no one in heaven or on the earth or under the earth was able to open the scroll, or to look at it.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]So I wept much, because no one was found worthy to open and read the scroll, or to look at it. [SUP]5 [/SUP]But one of the elders said to me, “Do not weep. Behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has prevailed to open the scroll and to looseits seven seals.” [SUP]6 [/SUP]And I looked, and behold, in the midst of the throne and of the four living creatures, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as though it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent out into all the earth. [SUP]7 [/SUP]Then He came and took the scroll out of the right hand of Him who sat on the throne.
Worthy Is the Lamb

[SUP]8 [/SUP]Now when He had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each having a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. [SUP]9 [/SUP]And they sang a new song, saying:
“You are worthy to take the scroll,
And to open its seals;
For You were slain,
And have redeemed us to God by Your blood
Out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation,
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And have made us kings and priests to our God;
And we shall reign on the earth.”

[SUP]11 [/SUP]Then I looked, and I heard the voice of many angels around the throne, the living creatures, and the elders; and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands, [SUP]12 [/SUP]saying with a loud voice:
“Worthy is the Lamb who was slain
To receive power and riches and wisdom,
And strength and honor and glory and blessing!”

[SUP]13 [/SUP]And every creature which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, I heard saying:
“Blessing and honor and glory and power
Be to Him who sits on the throne,
And to the Lamb, forever and ever!”

[SUP]14 [/SUP]Then the four living creatures said, “Amen!” And the twenty-four elders fell down and worshiped Him who lives forever and ever.
 

Atwood

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I believe in Mid-trib, pre-wrath, pre-7 bowl judgments rapture.
Greetings Radius.

I hope you don't have it figured out that you should not expect Christ's return today. The Judge is at the doors.
 

Atwood

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The Wrath to come is not for God's children.

That's the extent of my nursery school comprehension of Eschatology.
Good afternoon crossnote,

How about including the Hope of Christ returning now, even today?
 

Atwood

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The trumpets and seals contain judgments, and God repeated says we will see judgment. The bowls pour out God's wrath, which He repeatedly says we are spared. The term tribulation covers both these perods. Thus we will see tribulation judgment but not tribulation wrath. We are caught up at the end of tribulation judgment.
Lets see now:

We shall be around for judgment:
like, "You have been naughty, and must go it in the corner for a hour."

But we will not be around for wrath:

"Whoosh! Fire falls!
Whomple, whomple, whomple, hail rocks bonking heads.

Kaboomsh!
Massive earthquake, like seal 6; huge hole opens and people are swallowed up.
 
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ChefManna

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Pre-trib and post trib makes the most sense based on scripture, and we are given a play by play in Revelation. John is caught up in the spirit just as the tribulation is about to unfold. Christ will pre-trib rapture His Bride.....NOT all of the church. The Laodicians or fence walkers will suffer the trib in order to wash their robes in chastisement. Christ will cast them out, hence the 'wheeping and gnashing of teeth.' They will be caught up right as the trib is cut short, lest no flesh be spared. Revelation says that the False Prophet will deceive even the 'elect'. Who are these elect, if not the Lukewarm Christians that were left behind? I don't think that it could be much clearer in Revelation, not to mention oodles of OT scripture and parallels to back it up.

Ezekiel has nothing to do with this description. So many folks try and jump all over the 'UFO' bandwagon when reading Ezekiel, which is just laughable. The Cherubim and Seraphim he is describing seems to be planets 'heavenly bodies' and their orbits. Each object has 4 faces, and the bottoms are rounded like the hoof of a calf. In the OT, as each tribe setup their camps outside the Tabernacle, each had a flag with the image of one of the creatures Ezekiel saw. The camps were setup in a circle..... One tribe to the North, one South, one East, and one West. Ezekiel was merely observing the poles of each heavenly body, and nothing else. He says that it was as a circle within a circle, a wheel within a wheel. Where one body went, the other would follow. Sure sounds like planetary orbits to me. Cherubs and Seraphim ARE NOT angels.....they are planets.
 
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The following Scriptures confirmed to me that the Rapture is a sure event which happens just after the antichrist is revealed

Luke 17:26-36 talks about the coming of Christ to take away the prepared ones

Mark13 gives an entire chronology of end time and it ends with the open coming of Christ

In both these passages there is one similar verse

In that day he who is on the housetops and his goods are in the house let him not come down to take them away And likewise the one who is in the field let him not turn back(Luke 17:31 Mark13: 15,16)

So from Mark13 :15,16 we understand that the rapture happens just after the antichrist is revealed

God bless
 
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NO YOU DON’T

There is no jesus coming in the Bible before the great tribulation.[/B]

These so-called bible scholars have feigned the pre-tribulation coming/rapture from the imagination for their own hearts, these are what we would call the false prophets and a pre-tribulation Christian has fallen for the words of the false prophets, being sucked in, and deceived.

There is no event in the Bible were Jesus comes in the clouds before the tribulation.

There is no event in the Bible of a last trumpet sounding or any trumpet sounding before the tribulation.

There is no event in the Bible were the dead rise before the tribulation.

There is no event in the Bible were the living rise before the tribulation.

There is no event in the Bible were the angels do any reaping before the tribulation

There is no event in the Bible were you see us being gathered in the air or in the clouds before the tribulation.

There is no story in the Bible showing that Jesus will come before the great tribulation


“NOTHING” “ ZIP” DIDDLY-SQUAT. “0”.
There is also no "Great Tribulation" mentioned anywhere in the Bible.
 
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NO YOU DON’T

There is no jesus coming in the Bible before the great tribulation.

These so-called bible scholars have feigned the pre-tribulation coming/rapture from the imagination for their own hearts, these are what we would call the false prophets and a pre-tribulation Christian has fallen for the words of the false prophets, being sucked in, and deceived.

There is no event in the Bible were Jesus comes in the clouds before the tribulation.

There is no event in the Bible of a last trumpet sounding or any trumpet sounding before the tribulation.

There is no event in the Bible were the dead rise before the tribulation.

There is no event in the Bible were the living rise before the tribulation.

There is no event in the Bible were the angels do any reaping before the tribulation

There is no event in the Bible were you see us being gathered in the air or in the clouds before the tribulation.

There is no story in the Bible showing that Jesus will come before the great tribulation


“NOTHING” “ ZIP” DIDDLY-SQUAT. “0”.
LOL
In your "there is" list,all but 2 fail if you replace "before the tribulation" with "after the tribulation"

And those 2 that are left standing agree perfectly with pretrib rapture.

You guys have never realized you have no postrib deliverance examples.
Man has so duped you with extra biblical reason,that now your main argument testifies against you.
 

valiant

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LOL
In your "there is" list,all but 2 fail if you replace "before the tribulation" with "after the tribulation"

And those 2 that are left standing agree perfectly with pretrib rapture.

You guys have never realized you have no postrib deliverance examples.
Man has so duped you with extra biblical reason,that now your main argument testifies against you.
well as Jesus, Paul and Peter did not know of a great tribulation (apart from the great tribulation on the Jews from 70 AD onwards) and certainly did not know of a millennium on earth, both views look pretty foolish.