What did Jesus mean when He said: "I stand at the door and knock...."

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GreenNnice

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Well, I'm glad you've now worked out it was for the whole Church and not for unbelievers...:p
Jesus stood at the door and knocked for both unbelievets AND believers, jaybee.. He still.does today, too.
It's maybe sounding too logical, but every church has some unbelievers in it too, no ?
 

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#42
...you don't have to yell at them...
Yelling...? I wasn't yelling at anyone. 'Yelling' at someone in a post is by the continual use of capital letters in that post, which I have not done. All I have done is put the odd word in capitals to emphasise a point, which certainly is not yelling...also, if you think I am 'yelling' because I did a couple of words in capitals, and you want to be consistent, you really should also chastise 'PS' and yourself as well, because you both have done the same.
Jesus stood at the door and knocked for both unbelievets AND believers
Again, you are mistaken, the whole thrust of the prophecy is to believers (this is the context of it)...now I am aware that there may have been unbelievers in the church at Laodicea, but He is not speaking to them and it is simple as that. Now, this is my opinion and I am more than happy to agree to disagree with you (and anybody else for that matter) on it...Yahweh Shalom
 
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GreenNnice

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Yelling...? I wasn't yelling at anyone. 'Yelling' at someone in a post is by the continual use of capital letters in that post, which I have not done. All I have done is put the odd word in capitals to emphasise a point, which certainly is not yelling...also, if you think I am 'yelling' because I did a couple of words in capitals, and you want to be consistent, you really should also chastise 'PS' and yourself as well, because you both have done the same. Again, you are mistaken, the whole thrust of the prophecy is to believers (this is the context of it)...now I am aware that there may have been unbelievers in the church at Laodicea, but He is not speaking to them and it is simple as that. Now, this is my opinion and I am more than happy to agree to disagree with you (and anybody else for that matter) on it...Yahweh Shalom
Sure, not worth the arguing over I'd say , my caps are for emphasis, but, sure, yelling, some will think that, jaybee.

Jesus is speaking to the Laodicea church, at least that we agree on , let's leave it at that, except my reasoning is same as Know1, who says that 'overcome' speaks to one group and 'any man' speaks to another group of follower, one is a believer who's already a believer and one's a believer who Christ calls to answer His call. :)

God chooses us but we choose HIm too, this goes for the believer who's lukewarm, who must choose Him again (I was this believer :) ) and the one who is just not knowing Him yet but hears His voice and all that 'any man' has to do is come to the door and Christ is there to let Him into His heart. This is how i see it, a lot think that accepting Christ into the heart is not anywhere in Scripture. That's OK, by me, Chris is who we let into our heart, in there or not, that's how it (and He) works, as I see it.

The Lord leads. He does, do be best sure you are following Him :)
 
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JLHillsSr

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Jhn 3:29 KJV - He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled.

This is here and now. And ties into Rev. 3:20.

Rev 3:20 KJV - Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
 
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GreenNnice

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Jhn 3:29 KJV - He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled.

This is here and now. And ties into Rev. 3:20.

Rev 3:20 KJV - Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
This John verse speaks of believers and non-believers,, who both hear His voice.
His sheep know His voice, but in this church of Laodicea these sheep have become lukewarm, or, backslid from Jesus first in their life, so, isn't Jesus calling to both ”them,” as well as non-believers in this church. Devoted believers must be in there too, one can
logically guess, but, as a whole, core of church is of the first two.mentioned 'camps.'

So, JLsr, those who know Him, that is, devoted believers, or, His 'sheep,' will.immediately open the door, but the others of lukewarm and non-believing status will struggle to want to leave their worldly ways.
 
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JLHillsSr

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#46
This John verse speaks of believers and non-believers,, who both hear His voice.
His sheep know His voice, but in this church of Laodicea these sheep have become lukewarm, or, backslid from Jesus first in their life, so, isn't Jesus calling to both ”them,” as well as non-believers in this church. Devoted believers must be in there too, one can
logically guess, but, as a whole, core of church is of the first two.mentioned 'camps.'

So, JLsr, those who know Him, that is, devoted believers, or, His 'sheep,' will.immediately open the door, but the others of lukewarm and non-believing status will struggle to want to leave their worldly ways.
Yes. It is a different group, but the principal is the same. To be a friend of the bridegroom is to know that he is Jehovah. This is why Mary Magdalene did not recognise the man in the garden, (John 20:15+16). It isn't until he says her name that she knows it is Jesus that she sees.
 
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GreenNnice

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Yes. It is a different group, but the principal is the same. To be a friend of the bridegroom is to know that he is Jehovah. This is why Mary Magdalene did not recognise the man in the garden, (John 20:15+16). It isn't until he says her name that she knows it is Jesus that she sees.
Jesus didn't look like Jesus to Mary, until she heard His voice.
Why is that?
 
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JLHillsSr

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#48
Jesus didn't look like Jesus to Mary, until she heard His voice.
Why is that?
Because, it is the humanity, (human soul).Mary Magdalene had never heard his voice. It is the voice of Jehovah that spoke her name and got her attention.
 
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GreenNnice

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Because, it is the humanity, (human soul).Mary Magdalene had never heard his voice. It is the voice of Jehovah that spoke her name and got her attention.
But she heard Jesus voice when He walked the Earth?
Does this say then, Jeltrainsr, that Jesus is waiting on ALL at the door. When you are inside a church, He is ”knocking,” and not with just doorknocks but knocking with His voice, for ANY MAN to come to Him, sup with Him :)
 
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JLHillsSr

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But she heard Jesus voice when He walked the Earth?
Does this say then, Jeltrainsr, that Jesus is waiting on ALL at the door. When you are inside a church, He is ”knocking,” and not with just doorknocks but knocking with His voice, for ANY MAN to come to Him, sup with Him :)
The voice that Mary heard while the body walked the earth was Jehovah, not the humanity. She had never heard the humanity until he spoke in the garden.
The church is our flesh.
1Cr 3:16 KJV - Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and [that] the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
Jhn 2:19 KJV - Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
 
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GreenNnice

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The voice that Mary heard while the body walked the earth was Jehovah, not the humanity. She had never heard the humanity until he spoke in the garden.
The church is our flesh.
1Cr 3:16 KJV - Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and [that] the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
Jhn 2:19 KJV - Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
Right, 'humanity,' I am going to do.another thread on this, if you will, answer to all, jelfaithmountainsr :)

What about Jesus standing at the door and knocking? He's not just knocking, but SHOUTING, ”Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. if any man hear my voice, I will come...”

Reminds me of this song.....
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[video]http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ovYPQl93zro[/video]
 
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JLHillsSr

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#52
Right, 'humanity,' I am going to do.another thread on this, if you will, answer to all, jelfaithmountainsr :)

What about Jesus standing at the door and knocking? He's not just knocking, but SHOUTING, ”Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. if any man hear my voice, I will come...”

Reminds me of this song.....
:)

[video]http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ovYPQl93zro[/video]
Rev 3:7 KJV - And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;
Rev 3:8 KJV - I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name.

Col 4:3 KJV - Withal praying also for us, that God would open unto us a door of utterance, to speak the mystery of Christ, for which I am also in bonds:
 

zone

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#53
Do you think Jesus would be knocking on the door of believers hearts into which he had already entered in?

its a letter to a CHURCH.
as well, He speaks to individuals in it.
 

zone

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#54
The voice that Mary heard while the body walked the earth was Jehovah, not the humanity. She had never heard the humanity until he spoke in the garden.
what....are....you....talking about?
 
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1still_waters

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Rev 1

The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants—things which must shortly take place. And He sent and signified it by His angel to His servant John, [SUP]2 [/SUP]who bore witness to the word of God, and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, to all things that he saw. [SUP]3 [/SUP]Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written in it; for the time is near.

Rev 3:20
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me.

Rev 3:22
[SUP]22 [/SUP]“He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.”’”

Rev 19
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And I heard, as it were, the voice of a great multitude, as the sound of many waters and as the sound of mighty thunderings, saying, “Alleluia! For the[SUP][d][/SUP] Lord God Omnipotent reigns! [SUP]7 [/SUP]Let us be glad and rejoice and give Him glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His wife has made herself ready.” [SUP]8 [/SUP]And to her it was granted to be arrayed in fine linen, clean and bright, for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Then he said to me, “Write: ‘Blessed are those who are called to the marriage supper of the Lamb!” And he said to me, “These are the true sayings of God.”[SUP]10 [/SUP]And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.”

He was telling them of a real actual spiritual event about to happen in their time.
He said it was going to shortly take place.
He said the time was near.
He said he was as close so as to be right at the door and knocking!

I don't know how much clearer he could have been to indicate that the spiritual event was just about to happen.
What was that event?
Blessed are those who are called to the marriage supper of the Lamb!

Rev 3:20 mentions dining.
Connect the dots.

What's that mean for us today?

We are in an amazing fellowship and dining with Jesus.
He's been victorious over his enemies.
So come, sit at the table, and fellowship with our Savior, and his people.
 
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GreenNnice

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what are they eating? the wedding supper of the lamb? communion? or something else?

In order to.eat at the wedding supper of the Lamb, rache, one must here His ”Come.”
:)

7 “Look, I am coming soon! Blessed is the one who keeps the words of the prophecy written in this scroll.”

8 I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. And when I had heard and seen them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who had been showing them to me. 9 But he said to me, “Don’t do that! I am a fellow servant with you and with your fellow prophets and with all who keep the words of this scroll. Worship God!”

10 Then he told me, “Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this scroll, because the time is near. 11 Let the one who does wrong continue to do wrong; let the vile person continue to be vile; let the one who does right continue to do right; and let the holy person continue to be holy.”

Epilogue: Invitation and Warning

12 “Look, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to each person according to what they have done. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.

14 “Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city. 15 Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.

16 “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you a this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.”

17 The Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let the one (BELIEVER) who hears say, “Come!” Let the one who is thirsty come; and let the one who wishes take the free gift of the water of life.

18 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. 19 And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll.

20 He who testifies to these things says, “Yes, I am coming soon.”
 
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