Morals

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I hear people say that without god/religion there would be no morals.

So what if some ridiculous event occurred tomorrow that proved the non existence of god, would you all turn into murderers and rapists? Or
Would you be exactly the same people.
 

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I do not think it is the case that God gives you morals. I think everyone knows what morals are. It is the keeping of these morals is where believing in God come in handy.

Everyone know cheating on your marriage is bad. Well at the moment anyway. Yes theist and atheist both commit adultery. The difference is that the theists are mostly devastated after it while atheist wear it as a badge of honour.

Puritan view of adultery turns Brits into 'caged animals' says academic - Telegraph
 
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That's not true is it. Your trying to make out an atheist is proud of his wrong doings. That's nonsense. I'm not proud of any wrong doings. Just cos I don't believe then that doesn't mean I don't have compassion and consideration for other peoples feelings.

That was an absurd statement
 

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That's not true is it. Your trying to make out an atheist is proud of his wrong doings. That's nonsense. I'm not proud of any wrong doings. Just cos I don't believe then that doesn't mean I don't have compassion and consideration for other peoples feelings.

That was an absurd statement
Hi Straight. I just look at how the world has moved over the decades. As the world turns away from God, things like adultery have gone from something to be embarrassed about to something to be proud about. The sexual revolution man. As long as it feels good, do it. You only have one life.

An investigation of the London riots found the contributing factor to the riots were single parent families. Children were growing up without any father figure. The institute of marriage which was held sacred now is becoming a bit of a joke. We will see a lot more of these type of riots as children grow up without stability or discipline.

London riots: Absent fathers have a lot to answer for – Telegraph Blogs
 
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I'll certainly agree that there is no respect for the institution of marriage. A stable family unit now seems to be an old fashioned thing.

I can see where your coming from now. As religious influences wane, people are more tolerant of things that were once not acceptable.

I apologise for taking your comments personally
 

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I'll certainly agree that there is no respect for the institution of marriage. A stable family unit now seems to be an old fashioned thing.

I can see where your coming from now. As religious influences wane, people are more tolerant of things that were once not acceptable.

I apologise for taking your comments personally
You are a good man.
 

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I hear people say that without god/religion there would be no morals.

So what if some ridiculous event occurred tomorrow that proved the non existence of god, would you all turn into murderers and rapists? Or
Would you be exactly the same people.
No one would stand a chance and we would be even worse off today than what is already today and this is bad in and if itself because of lack of beleif in the cross, as in the depth that it has. it has everything one needs for life and Godliness that does right period by their neighbor1Corinthians 15
[ TheResurrection of Christ ] Now, brothers and sisters, I want to remind you of thegospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken yourstand. By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preachedto you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain. For what I received I passed onto you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to theScriptures, ...

 

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I hear people say that without god/religion there would be no morals.

So what if some ridiculous event occurred tomorrow that proved the non existence of god, would you all turn into murderers and rapists? Or
Would you be exactly the same people.
Without God we wouldn't have his nature in us and would be like a rock...no emotions. Remember no God/good then no satan/evil...actually we would be flat lining...even more precise, we wouldn't be period.
 
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I'm asking, as a Christian, would YOU become a murderer or would you start rioting or whatever if suddenly there was no god
 
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But...atheists don't believe in an ultimate Law Giver in the first place. That's a part of being an atheist. Why do atheists consider themselves to have morals when they don't believe in a Supreme Authority or a Law Giver?
 
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But...atheists don't believe in an ultimate Law Giver in the first place. That's a part of being an atheist. Why do atheists consider themselves to have morals when they don't believe in a Supreme Authority or a Law Giver?
But I don't kill anyone, or abuse anyone, or inflict violence on people. I treat people well. I regard myself As a good person.

What do you regard as morals?
 

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sigh...If there was no god whose or what image would we 'created' after? If you can answer that,then you have your answer.
 
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I'm asking, as a Christian, would YOU become a murderer or would you start rioting or whatever if suddenly there was no god
The biggest tragedy of the world would be that the God of Jesus does not exist.

Without Jesus, I would the most miserable creatures that lives under the sun.

Without Jesus, I would be a dead man unable to break free from my bondage.

Without Jesus, I would not be able to overcome the seduction from the evil one.

Without Jesus, I would never find peace by loving my enemies and praying for them

Without Jesus, I would never have enough love to respond to evil with good, and turn the other cheek

Without Jesus, I would be at some point a murderer since whoever hate his bro and sis is a murderer

Without Jesus, I would never be able to suffer for the sake of his magnificent Kingdom

Without Jesus, I would never have known what is true love and especially selfless love

Without Jesus, I would be nothing but an illusion of happiness to the world
 

TheAristocat

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I hear people say that without god/religion there would be no morals.

So what if some ridiculous event occurred tomorrow that proved the non existence of god, would you all turn into murderers and rapists? Or
Would you be exactly the same people.
I don't think there would be no morals. There just wouldn't be any set moral standard. Therefore whatever each person decided for themselves would be moral. For instance, if we said that we must purify the human race of genetic defects and adhere to selective breeding, then some people undoubtedly would claim this to be moral.
 

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God tells us in the scriptures that humans are his greatest creation. He considers us a masterpiece. We have dominion over all the earth. We are above all animals. This is what the bible tells us.
Now, look at animals, marine life and so on. They don't have morals. They kill for survival, monogamy is not the norm in nature, and they are not bound by any moral law man is. Animals do not have the intelligence man does, and whatever type of conscious an animal may have it certainly isn't the level of humans. Animals have no morals whatsoever. They aren't capable of obeying laws. So where do morals come from? If God does not exist, and we all evolved from other lifeforms then at what point did our intelligence evolve, and ability to understand right from wrong? Where did our emotional attachment, and ability to love come from? I know animals are affectionate and so on, but their ability to love as humans is impossible. If God didn't exist then wouldn't we be like all other mammals?
Many of the government laws we have today are based on moral law(no killing, stealing etc)....so... what human decided we have to abide by these laws, and we can't live naturally like all other mammals if there is no God?
 

TheAristocat

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God tells us in the scriptures that humans are his greatest creation. He considers us a masterpiece. We have dominion over all the earth. We are above all animals. This is what the bible tells us.
Now, look at animals, marine life and so on. They don't have morals. They kill for survival, monogamy is not the norm in nature, and they are not bound by any moral law man is. Animals do not have the intelligence man does, and whatever type of conscious an animal may have it certainly isn't the level of humans. Animals have no morals whatsoever. They aren't capable of obeying laws. So where do morals come from? If God does not exist, and we all evolved from other lifeforms then at what point did our intelligence evolve, and ability to understand right from wrong? Where did our emotional attachment, and ability to love come from? I know animals are affectionate and so on, but their ability to love as humans is impossible. If God didn't exist then wouldn't we be like all other mammals?
Many of the government laws we have today are based on moral law(no killing, stealing etc)....so... what human decided we have to abide by these laws, and we can't live naturally like all other mammals if there is no God?
I don't know. I think animals have morals as well. I mean, they're not as intelligent as we are, but some of them are pretty dang intelligent. I think too many people consider them only good enough to put in a box at KFC. But crows, for instance, have been known to make tools such as hooks from wire in order to accomplish tasks. Then you have chimps whose memories could beat the heck out of humans'. But I've seen dogs kill chickens indiscrimately before and then sit in the middle of the dead corpses and look around, acting as if they had done something shameful. I think animals have morals. They're just likely not as developed.
 

Elizabeth619

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I don't know. I think animals have morals as well. I mean, they're not as intelligent as we are, but some of them are pretty dang intelligent. I think too many people consider them only good enough to put in a box at KFC. But crows, for instance, have been known to make tools such as hooks from wire in order to accomplish tasks. Then you have chimps whose memories could beat the heck out of humans'. But I've seen dogs kill chickens indiscrimately before and then sit in the middle of the dead corpses and look around, acting as if they had done something shameful. I think animals have morals. They're just likely not as developed.
They do have a conscious of some type, but not at the level as humans, and they certainly not held accountable for something that comes natural to them.

Biblical fact: Dogs are mentioned 40 times in the bible, and not once are they looked at as pets. They were considered beasts, wild animals or used for work. Never domesticated pets, and cats are never mentioned in scripture.
 

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They do have a conscious of some type, but not at the level as humans, and they certainly not held accountable for something that comes natural to them.

Biblical fact: Dogs are mentioned 40 times in the bible, and not once are they looked at as pets. They were considered beasts, wild animals or used for work. Never domesticated pets, and cats are never mentioned in scripture.
Yes, I'd like to add that the term "dog" is also used as a euphemism for someone who is lawless or at least lacking the laws of God. And I can understand why the word "dog" would be used in such a way. But strictly speaking, they are intelligent enough to know right from wrong if they're taught it. Just like humans. And if humans do whatever they think is right and just ignore God's laws, then the euphemism "dog" would just as well be applied to them as it was to those who acted similarly in ancient times.
 

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Yes, I'd like to add that the term "dog" is also used as a euphemism for someone who is lawless or at least lacking the laws of God. And I can understand why the word "dog" would be used in such a way. But strictly speaking, they are intelligent enough to know right from wrong if they're taught it. Just like humans. And if humans do whatever they think is right and just ignore God's laws, then the euphemism "dog" would just as well be applied to them as it was to those who acted similarly in ancient times.
Not gonna defend yourself against that feline attack? :confused: