Evolution, Big Bang, and the Bible.

[Naime]

Hey guys, I have been wanting to explain my opinion on the Bible and how I think that it very closely relates to evolution and the Big Bang (or something similar).

The Bible says that man was made from dust. The Big Bang says that everything is made from dust and matter, etc. Both of them lead up to the conclusion that dust is what was used to create.

I believe that the tree of knowledge was not actually a tree, but a symbol of wisdom. As man evolved, that wisdom grew until man finally ate the 'fruit' of knowledge and used his knowledge for sin. I believe this says that as man's intelligence evolved, that Adam and Eve were the first humans capable of reasoning through guilt. I believe that the tree was just a symbol of the growing knowledge rather than being a tree itself. And I believe that the Garden of Eden was Earth through the eyes of ignorance. It was seen as being beautiful and free from sin, but through the eyes of knowledge, evil can be seen through the world.

When God put Adam to sleep and took one of his ribs and created Eve, I believe that this means that Eve came from the same flesh as Adam - the same ancestor. She evolved into the second human who was capable of the same logic and reasoning as Adam was - to the point that she could feel shame through simple actions.

God said that the animals of the Earth were created before Adam and Eve. Then later he gave them the option to name the animals for themselves.

The Bible portrays Earth being created before the Sun. Within the Big Bang theory, this is very possible. The Earth may have very well been formed and have drifted through space long before the Sun appeared. It was not as we recognized it, but it was still Earth nevertheless. After the Sun was formed, Earth was one of its planets to become pulled into its gravitational field. With the help of God, it hit the gravitational pull at a perfect tilt which made it possible for water to be the primary source of life (since it would not freeze or boil).



What are your thoughts?

 

[Andy03]

The bible also says that plant life was formed before the sun. does your theory cover this?

 

[Naime]

Yes, I have thought about this before. It said that there was light before there was vegetation. I believe that the verse where it talks about creating two 'lights' - one to govern the day and the night may represent the moon coming into Earth's orbit, and that was when the distinction between day and night was finally made. Although I also think that it might mean something more symbolic than what I just said. But keep in mind that this is only my opinion.

 

[Radius]

Hmm. I'm sticking with the original interpretation that there was an actual tree with fruit that Eve took. I believe it was a tangible act of sin that led to the first sin.

 

[crossnote]

Hey guys, I have been wanting to explain my opinion on the Bible and how I think that it very closely relates to evolution and the Big Bang (or something similar).

The Bible says that man was made from dust. The Big Bang says that everything is made from dust and matter, etc. Both of them lead up to the conclusion that dust is what was used to create.

I believe that the tree of knowledge was not actually a tree, but a symbol of wisdom. As man evolved, that wisdom grew until man finally ate the 'fruit' of knowledge and used his knowledge for sin. I believe this says that as man's intelligence evolved, that Adam and Eve were the first humans capable of reasoning through guilt. I believe that the tree was just a symbol of the growing knowledge rather than being a tree itself. And I believe that the Garden of Eden was Earth through the eyes of ignorance. It was seen as being beautiful and free from sin, but through the eyes of knowledge, evil can be seen through the world.

When God put Adam to sleep and took one of his ribs and created Eve, I believe that this means that Eve came from the same flesh as Adam - the same ancestor. She evolved into the second human who was capable of the same logic and reasoning as Adam was - to the point that she could feel shame through simple actions.

God said that the animals of the Earth were created before Adam and Eve. Then later he gave them the option to name the animals for themselves.

The Bible portrays Earth being created before the Sun. Within the Big Bang theory, this is very possible. The Earth may have very well been formed and have drifted through space long before the Sun appeared. It was not as we recognized it, but it was still Earth nevertheless. After the Sun was formed, Earth was one of its planets to become pulled into its gravitational field. With the help of God, it hit the gravitational pull at a perfect tilt which made it possible for water to be the primary source of life (since it would not freeze or boil).



What are your thoughts?

By faith we understand that the universe was created by the word of God, so that what is seen was not made out of things that are visible.
(Heb 11:3)

That verse alone rejects evolution.
Some like to say in support of the 'big' bang theory, God spoke and BANG it happened.

 

[Angela53510]

The scientific evidence against evolution is massive.

How do you explain the Cambrian explosion for starters?

How do you reconcile irreducible complexity with Darwin's statement in Origin of the Species that evolution could not work if it could be shown that you cannot trace back life to simple forms. Try the flagella on a paramecium for example.

To say nothing of DNA and RNA replication. Which came first the DNA or the RNA? Scientists are lost on that issue.

Once you actually study the evidence, creation becomes a much more viable option.

So instead of theorizing the Bible against a paradigm that is being rejected by more and more scientists as unworkable, why don't you learn a bit more about creation as a viable alternative.

The Bible is trustworthy, so my final thought is to trust it.

 

[Naime]

Keep in mind that I am talking about God guided evolution.

 

[VisAVisYou]

Adam, in Hebrew, means "of earth," and that's all. In other words, he is an Earthling. Eve means Life, because she was made from life, which is why she is more important then Adam, and the final creation of God before he saw that it was good, and rested. So Earth and Life came together, to found humanity.

He did not make Eve from Adam's Rib, the assumption can be that it was a rib, but the point is not to get caught up in specifics. The point of God's final creation being taken from Adam's side, is that she is to be an equal to him. I wouldn't hinge religion on science, nor would I ever dare to frame religion in an evolutionary sense. If you asked the writers of the bible whether science would be learned from this text, they would probably laugh at us, and rightly so. Genesis does not exist to explain science... that's what our physics and chemistry books are for.

Genesis exists to destroy polytheism. It is an all-out war against polytheism, for the fate of humanity. It is also here to explain the nature of God, and to explain the nature of man, as man is, and as man should be.

But it is quite cute that you have a body of scientists who come full circle, and acknowledge that there was a tradition who also came to the conclusion that the world had a beginning. And they've been saying it all along, for the last 3000 years.

 

[VisAVisYou]

There is a body of christians who believe that concept. I used to be one of them.

There's nothing wrong with it, except, for the fact that evolution, as understood by most scientific circles, excludes God.

It happened "Randomly," and "Random Variation" is how we we life-forms were "Randomly" assembled, in that now infamous soup they always talk about. Evolution isn't just a scientific concept. It's also a religion to many, who adhere to Philosophical Naturalism, which is the belief that only the natural exists. They've also said, just for entertainment purposes, that if a God does exist, somewhere out there, that that God had nothing to do with the Big Bang, and nothing to do with how Life came about, on earth, or anywhere else in the Universe. It's just a God, somewhere out there, that is irrelevant to anything.

 

[PS]

There is a body of christians who believe that concept. I used to be one of them.

There's nothing wrong with it, except, for the fact that evolution, as understood by most scientific circles, excludes God.

It happened "Randomly," and "Random Variation" is how we we life-forms were "Randomly" assembled, in that now infamous soup they always talk about. Evolution isn't just a scientific concept. It's also a religion to many, who adhere to Philosophical Naturalism, which is the belief that only the natural exists. They've also said, just for entertainment purposes, that if a God does exist, somewhere out there, that that God had nothing to do with the Big Bang, and nothing to do with how Life came about, on earth, or anywhere else in the Universe. It's just a God, somewhere out there, that is irrelevant to anything.

How do you respond to that?

 

[zone]

Hey guys, I have been wanting to explain my opinion on the Bible and how I think that it very closely relates to evolution and the Big Bang (or something similar).

The Bible says that man was made from dust. The Big Bang says that everything is made from dust and matter, etc. Both of them lead up to the conclusion that dust is what was used to create.

I believe that the tree of knowledge was not actually a tree, but a symbol of wisdom. As man evolved, that wisdom grew until man finally ate the 'fruit' of knowledge and used his knowledge for sin. I believe this says that as man's intelligence evolved, that Adam and Eve were the first humans capable of reasoning through guilt. I believe that the tree was just a symbol of the growing knowledge rather than being a tree itself. And I believe that the Garden of Eden was Earth through the eyes of ignorance. It was seen as being beautiful and free from sin, but through the eyes of knowledge, evil can be seen through the world.

When God put Adam to sleep and took one of his ribs and created Eve, I believe that this means that Eve came from the same flesh as Adam - the same ancestor. She evolved into the second human who was capable of the same logic and reasoning as Adam was - to the point that she could feel shame through simple actions.

God said that the animals of the Earth were created before Adam and Eve. Then later he gave them the option to name the animals for themselves.

The Bible portrays Earth being created before the Sun. Within the Big Bang theory, this is very possible. The Earth may have very well been formed and have drifted through space long before the Sun appeared. It was not as we recognized it, but it was still Earth nevertheless. After the Sun was formed, Earth was one of its planets to become pulled into its gravitational field. With the help of God, it hit the gravitational pull at a perfect tilt which made it possible for water to be the primary source of life (since it would not freeze or boil).



What are your thoughts?

Big Bang is from a certain pagan religion

go here:

Geocentrism

http://christianchat.com/miscellaneous/55743-geocentrism.html < click

and here:

Galileo Was Wrong < click

 

[VisAVisYou]

There's many ways you can go about it, but I tend tell them that if a God exists out there, but is irrelevant to anything that has happened in this Universe, including the creation of the Universe and the creation of life on earth and us human beings, then while my Bible will then be just the works of men, YOU on the other hand have to acknowledge that there is no objective meaning to this existence, and no objective morality....

In other words, if my Bible is just the works of brilliant men, and no God exists, then one's opinion on murder or rape is exactly that: just an Opinion! And nothing more. If God is not the author of thou shall not steal, then absent a transcendent source which we can source morality from, the fact that I think theft is immoral is purely subjective. And the statement in our Declaration of Independence, that All men are created Equal, has no basis in a reality where God is irrelevant, and had no hand in our creation.

 

[TheStraightener]

Christians have the advatage in this whole discussion. They have the advantage of delusion. If everything about the big bang, evolution etc was proven to be fact tomorrow. Then the Christian would just say how it proves how great god is cos he designed it to happen that way.

Same as when people thought god made it rain, or physically made the earth shook. Once science found a natural reason for events, they just said god made it that way. Their wall is full of cracks... And they paper over them with delusion and blind faith.

 

[SHEEPxDOG]

Keep in mind that I am talking about God guided evolution.

this is just ridiculous GOD almighty does not need evolution thats like saying god is retarded and can't get it right the first time so he needs evolution to help him, honestly why can't you just do the research yourself instead of going off your own bunk theory? Creation scientists

 

[VisAVisYou]

Well the problem with many of them is that they source science from genesis, when the authors of genesis had no intention of explaining science with anything they wrote.

The difference is that many of them have lost touch with the pioneers of Christian thought, from Newton to Oresme to Goedel, from Galileo to St. Augustan to Thomas Aquinas, who made the scientific revolution possible, by de-mythologizing God, removing God from nature(contrast to the pagan Greeks), and viewed nature and its mechanics as a machine, wherein phenomena, that we don't exactly understand, are not supernatural, but have natural explanations, that follow rules and laws that were put in place by the creator of the universe. Who, by the way, is a law-giver.

St. Augustan has even dealt with the issue of interpreting Genesis's account of 7 literal days... why allows Christians in 2013 believe in such a thing?

 

[crossnote]

Keep in mind that I am talking about God guided evolution.

Thought that was put to rest in post #5....Ohhh, you meant some other god...sorry.

 

[SHEEPxDOG]

Christians have the advatage in this whole discussion. They have the advantage of delusion. If everything about the big bang, evolution etc was proven to be fact tomorrow. Then the Christian would just say how it proves how great god is cos he designed it to happen that way.

Same as when people thought god made it rain, or physically made the earth shook. Once science found a natural reason for events, they just said god made it that way. Their wall is full of cracks... And they paper over them with delusion and blind faith.

I rebuke you in the mighty name of Jesus, you wanna talk about faulty, transparent see through faith look no further than evilution, it takes way more faith to believe in evolution than any other religion in the world! for example:

evolutionists used one tooth to build an entire species of primitive man, complete with illustrations of him and his family, before further excavations revealed the tooth to belong to a peccary, an animal similar to (and closely related to) pigs.

lol, get real buddy, you haters of the mighty GOD are in the delusion and satan has you in a serious stronghold.
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[hattiebod]

Christians have the advatage in this whole discussion. They have the advantage of delusion. If everything about the big bang, evolution etc was proven to be fact tomorrow. Then the Christian would just say how it proves how great god is cos he designed it to happen that way.

Same as when people thought god made it rain, or physically made the earth shook. Once science found a natural reason for events, they just said god made it that way. Their wall is full of cracks... And they paper over them with delusion and blind faith.

I love this!! its just so me...about 13 years ago...before I knew the Truth. I know just how irritating Christians can be, with there cyclical arguments and their 'blind faith'. But now I am on the other side of the fence (never thought that would happen!! and the grass is greener. There are some amazing theologians who teach on this, scientists who can put their points across so much more succinctly than I. So...why not go and check it out? www.answersinggenisis.org Nothing to loose and all the more to argue about? I think though that it is interesting that you may call the Bible & all it stands for myths and fairy stories, believed by the deluded...but yet, not proven. Since the Bible is in fact our road map for life, the universe and everything, a book of prophecy, and despite SO many praying it will be 'caught out' , it has yet to be proved wrong. Despite some of the finest minds spending their lives trying to do so!! So, I shall stay on the greener side of the fence...for I know what I believe. Its not blind. Here is a wee fact....Do you believe in the Iliad? written by Homer? most do....actually you would be considered mad not too, it exists yet only 2 manuscripts actually exist written in the time of Homer but they are treated as 'factual' the real deal. And they are incomplete. The Bible? we have so many copies. They are gathered across thousands of years, written in different times, but different authors yet do not vary, they meld, they make sense...apart from the occasional comma...miss spelling of a shrub This is not at all surprising when we understand that the God who created the universe said His Word would survive, would do all He wanted it to do. OK, enough, I do get a bit excited about it all!! ....suffice to say...why not go and do some real research, basically, start with reading the Bible Find a Christian scholar and talk to him or her. God Bless you, I am always thrilled when someone who rejects the Lord spends their time in such a place as this....He is calling you, you are just walking away from His voice right now. Took me 40 years to turn...there is always hope! God Bless you, <><

 

[BarlyGurl]

I love this!! its just so me...about 13 years ago...before I knew the Truth.

Excellent post Hattie!

 

[crossnote]

Christians have the advatage in this whole discussion. They have the advantage of delusion. If everything about the big bang, evolution etc was proven to be fact tomorrow. Then the Christian would just say how it proves how great god is cos he designed it to happen that way.

Same as when people thought god made it rain, or physically made the earth shook. Once science found a natural reason for events, they just said god made it that way. Their wall is full of cracks... And they paper over them with delusion and blind faith.

no, we have the advantage because the parameter of Scripture has been set according to post #7.