Are our sins really just burned away?

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Hebrews 5:9 And having been made perfect, He became to all those who obey Him the source of eternal salvation,
 
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Hebrews 5:9 And having been made perfect, He became to all those who obey Him the source of eternal salvation,
So thats a big no on the 10 commandments sinless thats ok most people dont know what they really say. Most just think there some kind of abstract nonsense but someone calling them self sinless well this should be a cake walk.
 
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Read Exodus 20 if you want to find out what the 10 commandments are. Im not going to do your homework for you
 
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Read Exodus 20 if you want to find out what the 10 commandments are. Im not going to do your homework for you?
You take Pauls letters out of context you have never asked who he is talking to and how much he studied and what it took to even stand in a synagogue and read the scriptures that you just through around.

I have done my home work have you sinful
 
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You take Pauls letters out of context you have never asked who he is talking to and how much he studied and what it took to even stand in a synagogue and read the scriptures that you just through around.

I have done my home work have you sinful
It depends on which letter you are referring to. He is speaking to different groups in different letters.

Can you post one single example where I took anything out of context?
 
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It depends on which letter you are referring to. He is speaking to different groups in different letters.

Can you post one single example where I took anything out of context?
Paul wrote his letters to the synagogues of those areas it was the 7 synagogues in Rev. That is where the scriptures were kept acts 17;11 to funny you dont think they just walked out with priceless srolls do you. Every King had to reproduce the Torah 55 sheep countless moneys for scribes and ink that is just the Torah sinful
You are not sinless If you have reached perfection go down to your local hospital and clean it out raise the dead.
 
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Paul wrote his letters to the synagogues of those areas it was the 7 synagogues in Rev. That is where the scriptures were kept acts 17;11 to funny you dont think they just walked out with priceless srolls do you. Every King had to reproduce the Torah 55 sheep countless moneys for scribes and ink that is just the Torah sinful
You are not sinless If you have reached perfection go down to your local hospital and clean it out raise the dead.
Paul was writing to churches, believers in Jesus Christ. Mostly Gentiles who gathered in their own homes, churches Paul had started when he went through their cities evangelizing the people

It is almost unbelievable the arrogance of some people, coming into a conversation telling people they do not understand context, that they have not been cleansed from all sin by the blood of Christ, yet they do not even understand the basics that any 5yr old could figure out.
 
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Paul was writing to churches, believers in Jesus Christ. Mostly Gentiles who gathered in their own homes, churches Paul had started when he went through their cities evangelizing the people

It is almost unbelievable the arrogance of some people, coming into a conversation telling people they do not understand context, that they are not been cleansed from all sin by the blood of Christ, yet they do not even understand the basics that any 5yr old could figure out.
yet more lack of understanding home churches you are wrong just stop. acts shows you over and over where the sciptures were kept
You are to funny everybody reading this will know you dont understand the word of GOD and you are not SINLESS
YOU DONT EVEN KNOW HOW THE SCRIPTURES CAME ABOUT SINFUL.
 
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yet more lack of understanding home churches you are wrong just stop. acts shows you over and over where the sciptures were kept
You are to funny everybody reading this will know you dont understand the word of GOD and you are not SINLESS
YOU DONT EVEN KNOW HOW THE SCRIPTURES CAME ABOUT SINFUL.
I feel sad for you. I pray God open your eyes to your own pride, so that you will repent.

James 4:6 But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.
 

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I feel sad for you. I pray God open your eyes to your own pride, so that you will repent.

James 4:6 But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.
Sinless, you are not very humble yourself, though. I've honestly never met a man who had the audacity to say he is sinless with such assurity as you do.
 
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Sinless, you are not very humble yourself, though. I've honestly never met a man who had the audacity to say he is sinless with such assurity as you do.
Is it more humble to submit yourself to the commandment of Christ, and live sinlessly, or to continue in rebellion against His commandments, and demand He allow you in Heaven even though you refuse to stop sinning?
 
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I feel sad for you. I pray God open your eyes to your own pride, so that you will repent.

James 4:6 But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.
Who was James did he have a home church as well and how about Peter going to the temple with John was that a home church to just walking around Jerusalem slinging the scrolls headed to the next house you are to funny go chase down the john hagees and perry stone false teachers they couldnt tell you what barasheet even means. SINFUL you have know idea what the word sin even means ps Titus and Timothy were heads of home churches WOW I really think you should start all over and find out what the faith really is Learn that the word of GOD was written in hebrew by hebrews to hebrews to teach and show the whole world First in Jerusalem than the whole world. That is why all things have been made new. Now there is no jew nor gentile nor male nor female we are all one in Yeshua HIS finish work. That doesnt mean we never sin again sinful. I just dont have to kill a lamb. end of this story.
 
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so when he went to the cross did Christ take away the sins of the whole world or not?

No He didn't, if He had then we would all be saved and the New Covenant would be unconditional
Christ bore all sin on his body on the cross so that all men could be reconciled to the Father through him. All sin had to be judged through death, the death of the cross. This had to include past sins, present sins and future sins, before and after salvation. Any sin of the present of future after salvation or after the cross, just as much as any past sin before the cross, was responsible for separating the sinner from God and those sins come from the flesh and sin nature in man as much as any sin prior to salvation. The blood had to cover all sin. Propitiation was made for all sin for all have sinned. Didn't John the baptist say something very interesting in John 1:29 when he beheld Jesus coming to him and said, 'Behold the Lamb of God that taketh away the sin of the world'. The verb 'taketh away' is a present active participle of what Christ came to do. It was not just for the Jews or the elect but for the world (which is not the church). If Christ did not take away all sin then he would have been obligated to condemn the woman caught in adultery, but he did not condemn her but covered her and gave her mercy and grace so that she could go in the power of that grace and sin no more or be caught up in the sin that entrapped her so easily. He also made a clear statement in John 3:17, 'For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.' The world here is the world of man that made up the human race that God created from the beginning. How soon we forget Revelation 13:8 and never work that into the sins of the past before the cross, that God covered until the Lamb of God could take away those sins.
 
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Originally Posted by homwardbound


so when he went to the cross did Christ take away the sins of the whole world or not?



Christ bore all sin on his body on the cross so that all men could be reconciled to the Father through him.
This is true, yet all men will not be reconciled. However if the cross took away all of the sins of every man then all would be reconciled. The Cross made a way for us to be reconciled which is accomplished by grace through faith. The cross didn't reconcile us in and of itself
 

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True repentance is necessary for salvation
Yes this is the start of one coming to the Faith and when they run out of the energy of their own flesh realizing that they can't make the grade (perfection) then they turn to the Savior and stop trying to imitate him and ask for the excahnged life our life for his life. God does not want to just live in us more importantly through us, by the resurrection of Christ
For a man does put his lamp under a bed for no one to see rather he puts the lamp (light Christ) on the lampstand for all to see and give our Father glory, us not being the initiator of doing good us being the responder of God's greatness byand through the cross of his Son
 

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Is it more humble to submit yourself to the commandment of Christ, and live sinlessly, or to continue in rebellion against His commandments, and demand He allow you in Heaven even though you refuse to stop sinning?
Only the unbeliever refuses to stop sinning the believers go on a rampage to seek out how to stop and since you have sinned and now do not, tell us how so we can join you, since you stopped how is this done, since we here want to stop, do not desire to please inform us since you know? Be a brother
 

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Who was James did he have a home church as well and how about Peter going to the temple with John was that a home church to just walking around Jerusalem slinging the scrolls headed to the next house you are to funny go chase down the john hagees and perry stone false teachers they couldnt tell you what barasheet even means. SINFUL you have know idea what the word sin even means ps Titus and Timothy were heads of home churches WOW I really think you should start all over and find out what the faith really is Learn that the word of GOD was written in hebrew by hebrews to hebrews to teach and show the whole world First in Jerusalem than the whole world. That is why all things have been made new. Now there is no jew nor gentile nor male nor female we are all one in Yeshua HIS finish work. That doesnt mean we never sin again sinful. I just dont have to kill a lamb. end of this story.
Yes there is nomore sacrifice is was done once for all even though while we were yet sinners, Christ took the punishment out of the way and made all Holy that will Come to him so he would then present us Holy before Father by his death so we could then by beleif recieve new life in Christ forever being thankful of this amazing gift and never having any motive of or to take advantage of it ever
 

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Originally Posted by homwardbound


so when he went to the cross did Christ take away the sins of the whole world or not?



Christ bore all sin on his body on the cross so that all men could be reconciled to the Father through him. All sin had to be judged through death, the death of the cross. This had to include past sins, present sins and future sins, before and after salvation. Any sin of the present of future after salvation or after the cross, just as much as any past sin before the cross, was responsible for separating the sinner from God and those sins come from the flesh and sin nature in man as much as any sin prior to salvation. The blood had to cover all sin. Propitiation was made for all sin for all have sinned. Didn't John the baptist say something very interesting in John 1:29 when he beheld Jesus coming to him and said, 'Behold the Lamb of God that taketh away the sin of the world'. The verb 'taketh away' is a present active participle of what Christ came to do. It was not just for the Jews or the elect but for the world (which is not the church). If Christ did not take away all sin then he would have been obligated to condemn the woman caught in adultery, but he did not condemn her but covered her and gave her mercy and grace so that she could go in the power of that grace and sin no more or be caught up in the sin that entrapped her so easily. He also made a clear statement in John 3:17, 'For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.' The world here is the world of man that made up the human race that God created from the beginning. How soon we forget Revelation 13:8 and never work that into the sins of the past before the cross, that God covered until the Lamb of God could take away those sins.
Yes and we are not saved by this we are saved by the resurrected life of christ where we are born again after the reception of being forgiven for as Christ said to Nicodemus first born of the flesh then the Spirit
the spirit Birth is at the resurrection of Christ not the death yet the death was needed first to bring in the New covenant that we all are in today as Hebrews 9:15-17 says we are.
And god can only be worshipped in Spirit and truth, so therefore for anyone of us to serve God we need to be born again by the operation of God described well by Paul in Romans 6
 

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This is true, yet all men will not be reconciled. However if the cross took away all of the sins of every man then all would be reconciled. The Cross made a way for us to be reconciled which is accomplished by grace through faith. The cross didn't reconcile us in and of itself
The complete Gospel is first the Death where we are in a new covenant reconciled to God the whole world, Hebrews 9:15-17, then after this death that was prooven by the three days being dead, there came the ressurected Christ, and is today waiting for people to come to Faith and quit stopping att he death and trying to stop their own sins. For noone can in and of themselves never could after Adam and Eve even though many tried

So God rich in Mercy gave his only begotten Son to be the last sacrifice and shedding of blood to bring us to God as if we are sinless when no one is ever in and of themselves, so we could have new life a born again life here today here and now in the Spirit of God by the resurrection at the cross

The only way all sin is burned away is by the full Gospel of Christ contained fully in the cross, the death, the burial as proof of the death and most importantly the resurrection yes we are counted sinless and by the realization of who we are we will be sinless but this would and is only from God by the cross of Christ
[h=3]Romans 6[/h]King James Version (KJV)

6 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
[SUP]2 [/SUP]God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Therefore then we do the next verse by Faith it is done not of self ever
1 John 3:3
And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
 
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Originally Posted by sinless
Is it more humble to submit yourself to the commandment of Christ, and live sinlessly, or to continue in rebellion against His commandments, and demand He allow you in Heaven even though you refuse to stop sinning?
Only the unbeliever refuses to stop sinning the believers go on a rampage to seek out how to stop and since you have sinned and now do not, tell us how so we can join you, since you stopped how is this done, since we here want to stop, do not desire to please inform us since you know? Be a brother
Im so glad you asked, the answer is in the scriptures of course...keep you eyes on Jesus.

If we keep our mind fixed on and our gaze set on Jesus Christ, we will not have to strive against sin, it will just fall to the wayside. Sin cannot touch us when Jesus is our first love.

Hebrews 12
1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith


By looking to Jesus we can lay aside every sin that does so easily beset us.