Living A Life Free Of Sin
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What scripture says that we cannot overcome sin as long as we are in these bodies?
The scripture teach the exact opposite. As a matter of fact we are told to not make our flesh as an excuse for sin.
Romans 13:14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.
Thanks.
The scripture teach the exact opposite. As a matter of fact we are told to not make our flesh as an excuse for sin.
Romans 13:14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.
Thanks.
Philippians 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
1 Corinthians 9:27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.
Revelation 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
1 Corinthians 9:27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.
Revelation 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
The passage speaks of separating oneself from worldly pleasures.
Correct. So who can commit spiritual adultery? It's obviously not the unregenerate because they were never once in union with God therefore it is a believer who was once in a relationship with God but went back into worldliness. So it's possible for a believer to be so fleshly minded and in opposition to God that they will become spiritually dead and considered enemies of God.
You said this...
...which is correct. With His arms wide open and His longsuffering and grace abounding, God is calling those spiritual adulterers to return and He will in no wise cast them out. Just as the prodigal son left the pigsty and harlots and returned to his father for pardon, backsliders, the double minded, the lukewarm are asked to cleanse their hands and draw near to God in repentance.
If a believer becomes a friend of the world they would be committing spiritual infidelity against God that is why Rom 12:2 says "And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God". The perfect will of God is that His children love and keep His commandments (1 John 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us). That passage basically states that one can have assurance of salvation if they are keeping His commandments, and they will know that Jesus abides in them by the Holy Spirit's indwelling. "And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him", It couldn't get any clearer than that; the inverse applies, the person who disobeys the commandments of the Lord is NOT dwelling in Him.
These scriptural admonitions are not to be overlooked.
Incorrect. It says we don't have the right to judge one another, but only God (the lawgiver) reserves the right to judge, save, and condemn.
Do you think Abraham’s faith would have been counted for righteousness if he disobeyed God?
Are you suggesting that because some of those sins in Gal 5:19-21 are not listed in the Ten Commandments, Christians under grace are permitted to engage in them?
How does one commit spiritual drunkenness, envying, revellings, etc?
They are obviously in relation to physical lifestyles done out of the flesh, not when a person is abiding in the Spirit because if one is walking after the Spirit they will be bearing the fruit of the Spirit.
Gal 5:16 "Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh".
...And believing in Jesus means obeying Him.
No, righteousness by faith is evidence of salvation.
So you don’t believe in practical righteous living which entails abhorring that which is evil and doing that which is good and pleasing in God’s sight?
Haz, the entire bible centers on righteous living which is God's will for mankind that's why He set His Son to sacrifice Himself for our redemption from sin. In essence, one is saved and empowered by the Holy Spirit to practice righteousness, not saved and cloaked with this magical righteousness whereby they can live in rebellion to God and be sinless, pure, and holy in His sight at the same time. The latter is utter foolishness and an insult to the sacrifice of Christ!
Your problem, Haz, and I've seen it in most of your posts, is that you disconnect obedience from faith because obedience to you is simply meritorious salvation or works of the law. You are basically defending antinomianism which states that because believers are under grace they are exempted from moral law. But what does the bible say? The wrath of God is coming upon the children of disobedience! One cannot be in Christ, in a justified state, and be in opposition to Him at the same time, just as water and oil don’t mix. To say otherwise is pedalling Satan's message of "you can sin and not die", once saved no sin you commit can be charged into your account, etc. Sadly, so many hold on to this comforting yet damnable doctrine. This is what God’s grace does to us: "Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world", yet you say the denying of ungodliness and worldly lust is "works of the law". Why do you greatly oppose to obedience which the scripture says is the duty of man? (Eccl 12:13).
Your licentious messages are contradicting too. First you say believers still commit physical failings with which they would be disciplined for, then under another breath you claim that believers are sinless. Why would you discipline one who is sinless? Clearly, those "physical failings" are sins as they necessitate chastisement. Thus the person is not sinless. Would you now say the adultery and murder King David committed were not sins? Here is what the bible says about God's chastening: Heb 12:11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby". So the person that is under chastening is unrighteous which is why they had to be chastised to yield the peaceable fruit of righteousness and be partakers of God's holiness.
The view of imputed righteousness where one is positionally righteous and sinless even while they are unrighteous has no biblical basis rather the bible says if you do the right thing you are righteous and if you don't do the right thing you are unrighteous (1 John 3:7,10).
Correct. So who can commit spiritual adultery? It's obviously not the unregenerate because they were never once in union with God therefore it is a believer who was once in a relationship with God but went back into worldliness. So it's possible for a believer to be so fleshly minded and in opposition to God that they will become spiritually dead and considered enemies of God.
You said this...
...which is correct. With His arms wide open and His longsuffering and grace abounding, God is calling those spiritual adulterers to return and He will in no wise cast them out. Just as the prodigal son left the pigsty and harlots and returned to his father for pardon, backsliders, the double minded, the lukewarm are asked to cleanse their hands and draw near to God in repentance.
If a believer becomes a friend of the world they would be committing spiritual infidelity against God that is why Rom 12:2 says "And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God". The perfect will of God is that His children love and keep His commandments (1 John 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us). That passage basically states that one can have assurance of salvation if they are keeping His commandments, and they will know that Jesus abides in them by the Holy Spirit's indwelling. "And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him", It couldn't get any clearer than that; the inverse applies, the person who disobeys the commandments of the Lord is NOT dwelling in Him.
These scriptural admonitions are not to be overlooked.
Incorrect. It says we don't have the right to judge one another, but only God (the lawgiver) reserves the right to judge, save, and condemn.
Do you think Abraham’s faith would have been counted for righteousness if he disobeyed God?
Are you suggesting that because some of those sins in Gal 5:19-21 are not listed in the Ten Commandments, Christians under grace are permitted to engage in them?
How does one commit spiritual drunkenness, envying, revellings, etc?
They are obviously in relation to physical lifestyles done out of the flesh, not when a person is abiding in the Spirit because if one is walking after the Spirit they will be bearing the fruit of the Spirit.
Gal 5:16 "Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh".
...And believing in Jesus means obeying Him.
No, righteousness by faith is evidence of salvation.
So you don’t believe in practical righteous living which entails abhorring that which is evil and doing that which is good and pleasing in God’s sight?
Haz, the entire bible centers on righteous living which is God's will for mankind that's why He set His Son to sacrifice Himself for our redemption from sin. In essence, one is saved and empowered by the Holy Spirit to practice righteousness, not saved and cloaked with this magical righteousness whereby they can live in rebellion to God and be sinless, pure, and holy in His sight at the same time. The latter is utter foolishness and an insult to the sacrifice of Christ!
Your problem, Haz, and I've seen it in most of your posts, is that you disconnect obedience from faith because obedience to you is simply meritorious salvation or works of the law. You are basically defending antinomianism which states that because believers are under grace they are exempted from moral law. But what does the bible say? The wrath of God is coming upon the children of disobedience! One cannot be in Christ, in a justified state, and be in opposition to Him at the same time, just as water and oil don’t mix. To say otherwise is pedalling Satan's message of "you can sin and not die", once saved no sin you commit can be charged into your account, etc. Sadly, so many hold on to this comforting yet damnable doctrine. This is what God’s grace does to us: "Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world", yet you say the denying of ungodliness and worldly lust is "works of the law". Why do you greatly oppose to obedience which the scripture says is the duty of man? (Eccl 12:13).
Your licentious messages are contradicting too. First you say believers still commit physical failings with which they would be disciplined for, then under another breath you claim that believers are sinless. Why would you discipline one who is sinless? Clearly, those "physical failings" are sins as they necessitate chastisement. Thus the person is not sinless. Would you now say the adultery and murder King David committed were not sins? Here is what the bible says about God's chastening: Heb 12:11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby". So the person that is under chastening is unrighteous which is why they had to be chastised to yield the peaceable fruit of righteousness and be partakers of God's holiness.
The view of imputed righteousness where one is positionally righteous and sinless even while they are unrighteous has no biblical basis rather the bible says if you do the right thing you are righteous and if you don't do the right thing you are unrighteous (1 John 3:7,10).
I applaud your effort there haz . I mean no insult to you for I used to reason on this just as you, but permit me please to explain the parts I now cannot agree with.
(1) The root of the meaning of sin is in that it means to fall short of God's righteousness which is what all men lacked since Adam's sin. The original Hebrew word for sin merely meant "to miss the mark". It was used also in races to denote falling short of the finish line or goal. And it was used in connection to God to denote falling short of God's commandments. God's commandments speak God's righteousness. They are in fact his righteousness rolled up in words. That is why we need the righteousness of Jesus Christ to show us the way. Jesus is the way and the truth and the life. As the way, the footsteps of Jesus are that narrow road we all must walk to obtain salvation. And, if we are sincere in caring to give our all to do that, then God is faithful to get us there. In that case, we know we will not fail because God cannot fail so long as we are being obedient to do as he instructs us.
(2) For the sake of space here I will only comment for now on Romans 8:33 to show you how you have misunderstood it.
Romans 8:33 "Who shall lay anything to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth;
34 who is he that condemneth? It is Christ Jesus that died, yea rather, that was raised from the dead, who is at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or anguish, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?"
You must keep that in the context that Paul is there speaking of those whom he said were of this group, Romans 8:14 "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God."
So assuming you do continuously walk by the spirit of God which then proves that you have the spirit of the love that is in Christ also in you, (for that love for his Father can do nothing but follow after the Father), then, and only then it is that God has justified you and no man can condemn you.
The love of the Father (which the Son perfectly shares as one with the Father) is great enough to absorb some unintentional faltering from God's ways, as we see there at Romans 8: 34, 35. In the Psalms, David refers to these types of falterings as "secret sins" (secret to our own selves until God shows them to us) which God is helping us to see. Psalms 90:8 "Thou hast set our inquities before thee, Our secret sins in the light of thy countenance."
But there is another kind of sin which is able to harm our relationship with God and land us up into disaster which we might not recover from. These sins, David called "presumptuous sins". Psalms 19:13 "Keep back thy servant also from presumptuous sins; Let them not have dominion over me: Then shall I be upright, And I shall be clear from great transgression."
But how does God keep us from those serious sins? How does God do what David asked there at Psalms 19:13?
David tells us if we search for it in the Psalms. It would be a presumptuous sin for us to just assume that God does that for us and not look to see how David tells us God does it.
Psalms 119:9 "Wherewith shall a young man cleanse his way? By taking heed thereto according to thy word.
10 With my whole heart have I sought thee: Oh let me not wander from thy commandments.
11 Thy word have I laid up in my heart, That I might not sin against thee.
12 Blessed art thou, O Jehovah: Teach me thy statutes." (ASV)
(1) The root of the meaning of sin is in that it means to fall short of God's righteousness which is what all men lacked since Adam's sin. The original Hebrew word for sin merely meant "to miss the mark". It was used also in races to denote falling short of the finish line or goal. And it was used in connection to God to denote falling short of God's commandments. God's commandments speak God's righteousness. They are in fact his righteousness rolled up in words. That is why we need the righteousness of Jesus Christ to show us the way. Jesus is the way and the truth and the life. As the way, the footsteps of Jesus are that narrow road we all must walk to obtain salvation. And, if we are sincere in caring to give our all to do that, then God is faithful to get us there. In that case, we know we will not fail because God cannot fail so long as we are being obedient to do as he instructs us.
(2) For the sake of space here I will only comment for now on Romans 8:33 to show you how you have misunderstood it.
Romans 8:33 "Who shall lay anything to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth;
34 who is he that condemneth? It is Christ Jesus that died, yea rather, that was raised from the dead, who is at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or anguish, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?"
You must keep that in the context that Paul is there speaking of those whom he said were of this group, Romans 8:14 "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God."
So assuming you do continuously walk by the spirit of God which then proves that you have the spirit of the love that is in Christ also in you, (for that love for his Father can do nothing but follow after the Father), then, and only then it is that God has justified you and no man can condemn you.
The love of the Father (which the Son perfectly shares as one with the Father) is great enough to absorb some unintentional faltering from God's ways, as we see there at Romans 8: 34, 35. In the Psalms, David refers to these types of falterings as "secret sins" (secret to our own selves until God shows them to us) which God is helping us to see. Psalms 90:8 "Thou hast set our inquities before thee, Our secret sins in the light of thy countenance."
But there is another kind of sin which is able to harm our relationship with God and land us up into disaster which we might not recover from. These sins, David called "presumptuous sins". Psalms 19:13 "Keep back thy servant also from presumptuous sins; Let them not have dominion over me: Then shall I be upright, And I shall be clear from great transgression."
But how does God keep us from those serious sins? How does God do what David asked there at Psalms 19:13?
David tells us if we search for it in the Psalms. It would be a presumptuous sin for us to just assume that God does that for us and not look to see how David tells us God does it.
Psalms 119:9 "Wherewith shall a young man cleanse his way? By taking heed thereto according to thy word.
10 With my whole heart have I sought thee: Oh let me not wander from thy commandments.
11 Thy word have I laid up in my heart, That I might not sin against thee.
12 Blessed art thou, O Jehovah: Teach me thy statutes." (ASV)
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It is a great thing that we strive to fight against our flesh everyday but we are all sinners because we all fall short at times. Nobody on this earth is deserving of the grace of God. We all sin. Let the glory be to Jesus Christ who has made a way for us through His precious blood. If we say we do not sin, we deceive ourselves.
Idk.... You say you never sin, so the devil has you mind wrapped pretty tight. If you love jesus why do you claim to be perfect? you do not repent because you do not believe you need to, that's just slapping Jesus in the face. If you do not come to the realization you sin then you will be one of those ppl who thought they did everything right but Jesus says I never knew you...
Matthew 7
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity
It is those that refuse to stop sinning that Jesus is speaking to