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JaumeJ

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The following is a question from the writings in Proverbs, the words of Agur:

Pro 30:3 I neither learned wisdom, nor have the knowledge of the holy.
Pro 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?

Providing you are able to answer this question posed in Proverbs, you recognize it is about Jesus, Yeshua. All of what has been named the Old Testament is heavily referenced on Him. The Prophets and the Law are about Him, so why not learn the Word from "In the beginning?" It is full of references to our Lord and Savior.
 
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wdeaton65

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Yes this is a real tuff scripture for those who would deny the SON of GOD it really rings true in the hebrew good post
 
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The following is a question from the writings in Proverbs, the words of Agur:

Pro 30:3 I neither learned wisdom, nor have the knowledge of the holy.
Pro 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?

Providing you are able to answer this question posed in Proverbs, you recognize it is about Jesus, Yeshua. All of what has been named the Old Testament is heavily referenced on Him. The Prophets and the Law are about Him, so why not learn the Word from "In the beginning?" It is full of references to our Lord and Savior.
Amen in YHVH, Yeshua's name.
 
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The following is a question from the writings in Proverbs, the words of Agur:

Pro 30:3 I neither learned wisdom, nor have the knowledge of the holy.
Pro 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?

Providing you are able to answer this question posed in Proverbs, you recognize it is about Jesus, Yeshua. All of what has been named the Old Testament is heavily referenced on Him. The Prophets and the Law are about Him, so why not learn the Word from "In the beginning?" It is full of references to our Lord and Savior.
I tried to star your comment but I noticed that in my profile it shows that none of the stars I have ever given are recorded.

So, now that I know my stars to the comments by others don't go through, I will comment by post.

I wrote: Amen, we must do that.

Here I will add: To not do that it would be impossible to correctly understand the New Testament.

Very worthwhile comment!
 

loveme1

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It truly is amazing when you read things for the 3rd, 4th, or maybe 10th or more time and then something new jumps out at you.. i often let out a "aaaaaaaaaaah".........

Thank you for sharing.
 

pickles

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Just wanted to say again, I liked it! :)

God bless
pickles
 

crossnote

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Similarly ... Psalms 2:12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.
 

pickles

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Just wanted to add..
Just as Paul spoke to how tha law brought him to know what good is.
So do the scriptures bring us to know Jesus, God Our Father, the Holy Spirit!

God bless
pickles
 
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danschance

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Very interesting scripture. It reminds me of Pslam 22:

Psalm 22 My God, my God, why have You forsaken me?
[SUP][b][/SUP]Far from my deliverance are the words of my[SUP][c][/SUP]groaning.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]O my God, I cry by day, but You do not answer;
And by night, but [SUP][d][/SUP]I have no rest.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Yet You are holy,
O You who [SUP][e][/SUP]are enthroned upon the praises of Israel.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]In You our fathers trusted;
They trusted and You delivered them.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]5To You they cried out and were delivered;
In You they trusted and were not [SUP][f][/SUP]disappointed.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]But I am a worm and not a man,
A reproach of men and despised by the people.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]All who see me [SUP][g][/SUP]sneer at me;
They [SUP][h][/SUP]separate with the lip, they wag the head,saying,
[SUP]8 [/SUP]“[SUP][i][/SUP]Commit yourself to the Lord; let Him deliver him;
Let Him rescue him, because He delights in him.”


[SUP]9 [/SUP]Yet You are He who brought me forth from the womb;
You made me trust when upon my mother’s breasts.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Upon You I was cast from [SUP][j][/SUP]birth;
You have been my God from my mother’s womb.

[SUP]11 [/SUP]Be not far from me, for [SUP][k][/SUP]trouble is near;
For there is none to help.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Many bulls have surrounded me;
Strong bulls of Bashan have encircled me.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]They open wide their mouth at me,
As a ravening and a roaring lion.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]I am poured out like water,
And all my bones are out of joint;
My heart is like wax;
It is melted within [SUP][l][/SUP]me.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]My strength is dried up like a potsherd,
And my tongue cleaves to my jaws;
And You lay me [SUP][m][/SUP]in the dust of death.

[SUP]16 [/SUP]For dogs have surrounded me;
[SUP][n][/SUP]A band of evildoers has encompassed me;
[SUP][o][/SUP]They pierced my hands and my feet.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]I can count all my bones.
They look, they stare at me;
[SUP]18 [/SUP]They divide my garments among them,
And for my clothing they cast lots.


[SUP]19 [/SUP]But You, O Lord, be not far off;
O You my help, hasten to my assistance.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Deliver my [SUP][p][/SUP]soul from the sword,
My only life from the [SUP][q][/SUP]power of the dog.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Save me from the lion’s mouth;
From the horns of the wild oxen You answer me.

[SUP]22 [/SUP]I will tell of Your name to my brethren;
In the midst of the assembly I will praise You.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]You who fear the Lord, praise Him;
All you [SUP][r][/SUP]descendants of Jacob, glorify Him,
And stand in awe of Him, all you [SUP][s][/SUP]descendants of Israel.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]For He has not despised nor abhorred the affliction of the afflicted;
Nor has He hidden His face from him;
But when he cried to Him for help, He heard.

[SUP]25 [/SUP]From You comes my praise in the great assembly;
I shall pay my vows before those who fear Him.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]The [SUP][t][/SUP]afflicted will eat and be satisfied;
Those who seek Him will praise the Lord.
Let your heart live forever!
[SUP]27 [/SUP]All the ends of the earth will remember and turn to theLord,And all the families of the nations will worship before[SUP][u][/SUP]You.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]For the kingdom is the Lord’s
And He rules over the nations.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]All the [SUP][v][/SUP]prosperous of the earth will eat and worship,
All those who go down to the dust will bow before Him,
Even he who [SUP][w][/SUP]cannot keep his soul alive.
[SUP]30 [/SUP][SUP][x][/SUP]Posterity will serve Him;
It will be told of the Lord to the coming generation.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]They will come and will declare His righteousness


To a people who will be born, that He has performed it.
 
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As Loveme1 said.. Every time I read Scripture, OT and NT, God reveals more of Himself to me. AAAAHHH I say AAAHHHHMMMMEEEENNNNN....

Does the NT not confirm the OT as Scripture and WORTHY TO BE ACCEPTED... For Doctrine, reproof, and even Judgement....

Amen! Read the WHOLE Bible... This it is in the Old Testament stuff, does not make it less significant...

There are BEAUTIFUL promises in the Old Testamen you will surely be poorer for ignoring the OT.

Lord, please reveal ALL scripture to us, We seek thee as a dear seeks water,,, Beustiful.

I am in Africa and i saw some buck get to the watering points.... It is amazing how they even ignore lions when they are thirsty... They dare much to get water... And David said... Psalm 63:...

A Psalm of David, when he was in the wilderness of Judah. O God, thou art my God; early will I seek thee: my soul thirsteth for thee, my flesh longeth for thee in a dry and thirsty land, where no water is;


And then Jesus said in John 7:37..... If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.
That is how the Word comes together... Bautiful Lord Jesus!








 
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Luke 24:25 And he said to them, O foolish ones, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken! 26 Was it not necessary that the Christ should suffer these things and enter into his glory? 27 And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he interpreted to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning himself.
 
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Jehovah and the Angel Jehovah. On this primary and fundamental revelation of this great truth all the subsequent revelations of Scripture are founded. As there is more than one person in the Godhead, we find at once the distinction between Jehovah as the messenger, a mediator, and Jehovah as He who sends, between the Father and the Son, as co-equal, co-eternal persons, which runs through the Bible, with ever-increasing clearness. This is not an arbitrary or unauthorized interpretation of the Old Testament scriptures...He (the angel) claims divine authority, exercises divine prerogatives, and receives divine homage. If this were a casual matter, if in one or two instances the messenger spoke in the name of him who sent him, we might assume that the person thus designated was an ordinary angel or minister of God. But when this is a pervading representation of the Bible; when we find that these terms are applied, not first to one, and then to another angel indiscriminately, but to one particular angel; that the person so designated is also called the Son of God, the Mighty God; that the work attributed to him is elsewhere attributed to God himself; and that in the New Testament, this manifested Jehovah, who led his people under the Old Testament economy, is declared to be the Son of God, the logos, who was manifested in the flesh, it becomes certain that by the angel of Jehovah in the early books of Scripture, we are to understand a divine person, distinct from the Father.


Hodge, Charles (2012-04-14). Systematic Theology (All 3 Parts Complete) (Kindle Locations 16440-16478). . Kindle Edition.
 
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The quality of holiness belongs to Jehovah. (Ex 39:30; Zechariah 14:20) Christ Jesus addressed him as “Holy Father.” (John 17:11) Those in the heavens are shown declaring: “Holy, holy, holy is Jehovah of armies,” attributing to him holiness, cleanness in the superlative degree. (Isaiah 6:3; Revelation 4:8; compare Hebrews 12:14.) He is the Most Holy One, superior to all others in holiness. (Proverbs 30:3; here the plural form of the Hebrew word translated “Most Holy” is used to denote excellence and majesty.) The Israelites were frequently reminded that Jehovah is the Source of all holiness as they observed the words “Holiness belongs to Jehovah” that were engraved on the shining gold plate on the high priest’s turban. This plate was called “the holy sign of dedication,” showing that the high priest was set apart to a service of special holiness. (Exodus 28:36; 29:6) In Moses’ victory song after the deliverance through the Red Sea, Israel sang: “Who among the gods is like you, O Jehovah? Who is like you, proving yourself mighty in holiness?” (Exodus 15:11; 1 Samuel 2:2) As an added guarantee of the carrying out of his word, Jehovah has even sworn by his holiness.-Amos 4:2.

Proverbs 30:4 makes it evident how limited man is compared to the Most High. Its rhetorical questions could be asked about any man, but these questions should lead a reasoning person to the Creator.

No imperfect human has gone up to heaven and come back omniscient; nor has any human the ability to control the wind, the seas, or the geological forces shaping the earth. In effect, then, Agur asked: ‘Do you know the name or family line of any man who has done these things?’ We must answer no.—Compare Job 38:1–42:3; Isaiah 40:12-14; Jeremiah 23:18; 1 Corinthians 2:16.

Thus, we have to look outside the human sphere to find one who has the superhuman power to control natural forces. We are not, though, limited to learning about him by observing his accomplishments. (Romans 1:20) This is because he has, as it were, descended with information about himself and his dealings. He has provided specific information. He did this, for example, when he ‘descended’ to give the Law to Moses on Mount Sinai. (Exodus 19:20; Hebrews 2:2) He has also helped his servants to appreciate his meaningful name, Jehovah. (Exodus 3:13, 14; 6:3) Later, he identified his Son, who was named Jesus and who literally descended from heaven with additional information about the Creator.-John 1:1-3, 14, 18.

This should help all of us to reach certain conclusions: Like Agur, we cannot from our own resources gain true wisdom. (Proverbs 30:2, 3) And we cannot name any human who has superlative powers or knowledge. Hence, we should humbly look to the One who is able to provide the wisdom we need. This is the Most Holy One, whose name we can know and whose Son has died so that we might be ransomed and gain everlasting life.-Matthew 20:28.
 
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1still_waters

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Sounds like Jesus.
Sorry I used the English name.
No brownie points for me.
 
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The following is a question from the writings in Proverbs, the words of Agur:

Pro 30:3 I neither learned wisdom, nor have the knowledge of the holy.
Pro 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?

Providing you are able to answer this question posed in Proverbs, you recognize it is about Jesus, Yeshua. All of what has been named the Old Testament is heavily referenced on Him. The Prophets and the Law are about Him, so why not learn the Word from "In the beginning?" It is full of references to our Lord and Savior.
1 Corinthians 8:6 "But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him."

2 Corinthians 1:20 "For all the promises of God in [the one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by] him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us."

2 Corinthians 5:21 "For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him."

1 John 2:5-6 "But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked."

Ephesians 1:10 "That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him.."

Colossians 1:19 "For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell.."

Colossians 2:9 "For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily."