What Do You Believe About Death
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Hey terry, Everyone will be judged, because that's what God said in his word. Proverbs 11:4 says,"Riches won’t help on the day of judgment, but right living can save you from death." This means everyone will be judged on the day of judgment and you can't buy your life with riches, you have to live right and have faith in God.
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I believe it will be an instantaneous thing, going to heaven. There we will see God and have to account for our life here but for those who believe in Jesus as their Savior there will be no condemnation and we will enter the Gates of Heaven to be with our loved ones.
I attended a funeral a couple years ago of the husband of a co worker. They are black. The service was very loud, lots of gospel music, but they didn't refer to it as a funeral, it was a Home Going. The pastor said Terrance didn't "pass away" but instantly was in heaven with Jesus, with God, instantly, no time passed, it was less than the blink of an eye and he was in the presence of God in heaven. I liked the term Home Going. Yes, there were tears and some people had to be held onto but it seemed much more positive than other funerals I've been too.
I attended a funeral a couple years ago of the husband of a co worker. They are black. The service was very loud, lots of gospel music, but they didn't refer to it as a funeral, it was a Home Going. The pastor said Terrance didn't "pass away" but instantly was in heaven with Jesus, with God, instantly, no time passed, it was less than the blink of an eye and he was in the presence of God in heaven. I liked the term Home Going. Yes, there were tears and some people had to be held onto but it seemed much more positive than other funerals I've been too.
DEATH….NEVER THE ENEMY TO BE FEARED
The life of the body is a passing thing.
and like the sea foam…
it rides upon the waves of this life
to cast itself upon the shore; and, behold, it is no more,
being scattered upon the sands of time.
Yet do the waves come again and again unto the shore,
bearing upon itself the foam of yet some greater sea
And in like manner
shall you come also again and again,
even till you shall all come to a knowledge
of that God which fashioned you and loved you,
even from the beginning of the world
Yeshua 24:52-55
For death is appointed unto all the living,
and life is apportioned unto all the dead
for even the Father and Mother which dwell beyond
would have the children of their soul
to see in the mortal life some school only;
that going through the days of their mortality,
they might learn for themselves the way which is greater still
If, therefore, you would attain unto God,
seek me while I may yet be found;
for all those which believe not,
the same will not find me;
And they shall return again unto this world,
passing from life to death to life again,
even till they shall find me
For within this school of "Opposition"
we are given evil
so we can find and appreciate good
we are given wrong
so we can find and appreciate right
we are given sorrow
so we can find and appreciate joy
we are given lesser
so we can find and appreciate greater
we are given an imposter god
SO WE CAN FIND AND APPRECIATE THE REAL GOD
Heavenly Mother speaking again:
Let us therefore, see for ourselves,
the God which men shall choose to follow
the god of wrath,
or
the God of Love
the god of judgment
or
the God or the Father and Mother
which even now would call most tenderly unto them
Let us see, by what path
the children of men shall choose to walk:
The path of fear and servitude,
or the path to endless glory and exaltation
And whosoever knows not good from evil,
even they shall be granted the mercies of God,
for I shall cause
that they shall come again into mortality,
that they might come to a knowledge
of what is good and what is evil
Beginnings 21:24
for I shall restore again the soul of the fallen,
that they might dwell again among the living,
whereby they might progress,
even as they are able, nigh unto the throne of God
where righteousness is made to dwell forever
Beginnings 22:71
Thus, in this school so far away,
shall we give to each child,
whether male or female,
a multiplicity of lives
And they shall come again into mortality
until they shall learn for themselves the way of holiness
Whosoever has ears to hear, let them hear.
It is given unto all who are willing
to become as Only Begotten, even as Yeshua
The way of "holiness" manifests itself
only
according to such tenderness
as you would grant unto the children of men
If you forgive not the trespasses of others,
how then shall God forgive you,
seeing that you are without mercy?
For the law was decreed from the beginning
that kind should cleave to kind
For the fallen
shall you not cast aside,
seeing that they, too,
are the children of God
Neither shall you speak evil of them
For when you behold the fallen,
look closely unto yourself,
For the fallen
are but the shadow of your lesser self
and can by no means be separated from you
Again you have heard it said
that to love God
is the first and greatest commandment,
but I tell you
that to love your neighbor as yourself
is chief above all the rest
Be ye therefore like unto this:
I am compassionate
bearing in my soul
the weight of imperfection
Seeing in others
the reflection of myself
to be in them and they in me
the shadow of each the other
I invite you all
to come read and ponder for many hours
my blog: "WHOM SEEK YE"
The life of the body is a passing thing.
and like the sea foam…
it rides upon the waves of this life
to cast itself upon the shore; and, behold, it is no more,
being scattered upon the sands of time.
Yet do the waves come again and again unto the shore,
bearing upon itself the foam of yet some greater sea
And in like manner
shall you come also again and again,
even till you shall all come to a knowledge
of that God which fashioned you and loved you,
even from the beginning of the world
Yeshua 24:52-55
For death is appointed unto all the living,
and life is apportioned unto all the dead
for even the Father and Mother which dwell beyond
would have the children of their soul
to see in the mortal life some school only;
that going through the days of their mortality,
they might learn for themselves the way which is greater still
If, therefore, you would attain unto God,
seek me while I may yet be found;
for all those which believe not,
the same will not find me;
And they shall return again unto this world,
passing from life to death to life again,
even till they shall find me
For within this school of "Opposition"
we are given evil
so we can find and appreciate good
we are given wrong
so we can find and appreciate right
we are given sorrow
so we can find and appreciate joy
we are given lesser
so we can find and appreciate greater
we are given an imposter god
SO WE CAN FIND AND APPRECIATE THE REAL GOD
Heavenly Mother speaking again:
Let us therefore, see for ourselves,
the God which men shall choose to follow
the god of wrath,
or
the God of Love
the god of judgment
or
the God or the Father and Mother
which even now would call most tenderly unto them
Let us see, by what path
the children of men shall choose to walk:
The path of fear and servitude,
or the path to endless glory and exaltation
And whosoever knows not good from evil,
even they shall be granted the mercies of God,
for I shall cause
that they shall come again into mortality,
that they might come to a knowledge
of what is good and what is evil
Beginnings 21:24
for I shall restore again the soul of the fallen,
that they might dwell again among the living,
whereby they might progress,
even as they are able, nigh unto the throne of God
where righteousness is made to dwell forever
Beginnings 22:71
Thus, in this school so far away,
shall we give to each child,
whether male or female,
a multiplicity of lives
And they shall come again into mortality
until they shall learn for themselves the way of holiness
Whosoever has ears to hear, let them hear.
It is given unto all who are willing
to become as Only Begotten, even as Yeshua
The way of "holiness" manifests itself
only
according to such tenderness
as you would grant unto the children of men
If you forgive not the trespasses of others,
how then shall God forgive you,
seeing that you are without mercy?
For the law was decreed from the beginning
that kind should cleave to kind
For the fallen
shall you not cast aside,
seeing that they, too,
are the children of God
Neither shall you speak evil of them
For when you behold the fallen,
look closely unto yourself,
For the fallen
are but the shadow of your lesser self
and can by no means be separated from you
Again you have heard it said
that to love God
is the first and greatest commandment,
but I tell you
that to love your neighbor as yourself
is chief above all the rest
Be ye therefore like unto this:
I am compassionate
bearing in my soul
the weight of imperfection
Seeing in others
the reflection of myself
to be in them and they in me
the shadow of each the other
I invite you all
to come read and ponder for many hours
my blog: "WHOM SEEK YE"
"to be absent from the body
is to be present with the Lord"
Of the millions of times a year
that this Scripture in 2Cor 5:8 is quoted,
probably only about twice
is it ever quoted properly
And that is partly the reason
why most do not understand this verse
Paul never said:
"to be absent from the body
IS.. to be present with the Lord"
There is NO SUCH SCRIPTURE!!
Let's quote it properly:
"We are confident, I say, and willing rather
TO BE absent from the body, ..
AND.. TO BE present with the Lord"
Or as Concordant Literal New Testament renders it:
"...rather to be away from home out of the body
and to be at home with the Lord"
There is a giant difference between the two words "is" and "and"
Just the fact of being
"absent or separated" from our bodies,
does not automatically equate
with being instantaneously "WITH" the Lord
First we DIE and thereby become
absent from or separated from our bodies--
they decay back into the dust of the ground
But some time AFTER our death
we are taken home to be with the Lord
Notice how Paul himself understood this
Are we "at home with the Lord" at the instant of DEATH?
No!!
1Thes 4:16-17--
"For the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven
with a shout, with the voice of the archangel,
and with the trump of God:
and THE DEAD in Christ shall rise first
Then we which are alive and remain
shall be caught up together with them in the clouds,
to meet the Lord in the air;
and so shall we ever be [at home] with the Lord"
Notice that all the DEAD in Christ rise at the SAME TIME,
at His presence in the air!!
But, not all of the DEAD in Christ DIED AT THE SAME TIME!!!
Hence they were ..NOT..
"at home with the Lord' at the very time of their death
is to be present with the Lord"
Of the millions of times a year
that this Scripture in 2Cor 5:8 is quoted,
probably only about twice
is it ever quoted properly
And that is partly the reason
why most do not understand this verse
Paul never said:
"to be absent from the body
IS.. to be present with the Lord"
There is NO SUCH SCRIPTURE!!
Let's quote it properly:
"We are confident, I say, and willing rather
TO BE absent from the body, ..
AND.. TO BE present with the Lord"
Or as Concordant Literal New Testament renders it:
"...rather to be away from home out of the body
and to be at home with the Lord"
There is a giant difference between the two words "is" and "and"
Just the fact of being
"absent or separated" from our bodies,
does not automatically equate
with being instantaneously "WITH" the Lord
First we DIE and thereby become
absent from or separated from our bodies--
they decay back into the dust of the ground
But some time AFTER our death
we are taken home to be with the Lord
Notice how Paul himself understood this
Are we "at home with the Lord" at the instant of DEATH?
No!!
1Thes 4:16-17--
"For the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven
with a shout, with the voice of the archangel,
and with the trump of God:
and THE DEAD in Christ shall rise first
Then we which are alive and remain
shall be caught up together with them in the clouds,
to meet the Lord in the air;
and so shall we ever be [at home] with the Lord"
Notice that all the DEAD in Christ rise at the SAME TIME,
at His presence in the air!!
But, not all of the DEAD in Christ DIED AT THE SAME TIME!!!
Hence they were ..NOT..
"at home with the Lord' at the very time of their death
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If people go to heaven when they die then what need is there of a resurrection when Jesus returns? And why does the text mention those who sleep?
1 Corinthians 15:51-53
(51) Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
(52) In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
(53) For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
So this is saying that those who sleep in Jesus will awake when He returns.
1 Corinthians 15:51-53
(51) Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
(52) In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
(53) For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
So this is saying that those who sleep in Jesus will awake when He returns.
Luke 16:19-31 [SUP]19 [/SUP]There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day: [SUP]20 [/SUP]And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores, [SUP]21 [/SUP]And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. [SUP]22 [/SUP]And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; [SUP]23 [/SUP]And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. [SUP]24 [/SUP]And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. [SUP]25 [/SUP]But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. [SUP]26 [/SUP]And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence. [SUP]27 [/SUP]Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house: [SUP]28 [/SUP]For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. [SUP]29 [/SUP]Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. [SUP]30 [/SUP]And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. [SUP]31 [/SUP]And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
This is not a parable..... It's a true story.
Luke 23:42-43 [SUP]42 [/SUP]And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. [SUP]43 [/SUP]And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.
This is not a parable..... It's a true story.
Luke 23:42-43 [SUP]42 [/SUP]And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. [SUP]43 [/SUP]And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.
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1 Kings 2:10 KJV
(10) So David slept with his fathers, and was buried in the city of David.
1 Kings 11:43 KJV
(43) And Solomon slept with his fathers, and was buried in the city of David his father: and Rehoboam his son reigned in his stead.
1 Kings 14:31 KJV
(31) And Rehoboam slept with his fathers, and was buried with his fathers in the city of David. And his mother's name was Naamah an Ammonitess. And Abijam his son reigned in his stead.
John 11:11-14 KJV
(11) These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.
(12) Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well.
(13) Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep.
(14) Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.
1 Corinthians 15:6 KJV
(6) After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.
G2837
κοιμάω
koimaō
koy-mah'-o
From G2749; to put to sleep, that is, (passively or reflexively) to slumber; figuratively to decease: - (be a-, fall a-, fall on) sleep, be dead.
(10) So David slept with his fathers, and was buried in the city of David.
1 Kings 11:43 KJV
(43) And Solomon slept with his fathers, and was buried in the city of David his father: and Rehoboam his son reigned in his stead.
1 Kings 14:31 KJV
(31) And Rehoboam slept with his fathers, and was buried with his fathers in the city of David. And his mother's name was Naamah an Ammonitess. And Abijam his son reigned in his stead.
John 11:11-14 KJV
(11) These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.
(12) Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well.
(13) Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep.
(14) Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.
1 Corinthians 15:6 KJV
(6) After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.
G2837
κοιμάω
koimaō
koy-mah'-o
From G2749; to put to sleep, that is, (passively or reflexively) to slumber; figuratively to decease: - (be a-, fall a-, fall on) sleep, be dead.
(A teaching from the Restored Church of God from What Happens When You Die?".) I find no error in this teaching. Just isn't what I was being taught in mainstream Christianity when I was growing up.
"Jesus Christ emphatically and clearly stated, “And no man has ascended up to heaven, but He that came down from heaven, even the Son of Man [Christ]” (John 3:13). Billions of professing Christians believe that when one dies, he or she goes to heaven—but this contradicts what Jesus said! And keep in mind that when Christ said, “no man has ascended up to heaven,” scores of God’s servants from the Old Testament had already died. Take King David, for example, described as a man after God’s own heart (Acts 13:22). The Bible explains that he will rule in God’s kingdom. Certainly, he would be in heaven, right?"
"But notice: “Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulcher is with us unto this day…For David is not ascended into the heavens” (Acts 2:29, 34). If we believe Christ’s words, then these faithful servants of God did not ascend to heaven."
"Now read Ecclesiastes 9: “For to him that is joined to all the living there is hope: for a living dog is better than a dead lion. For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten” (vs. 4-5). Again, the Bible is clear about the state of the dead.
But this leads to the age-old question asked in the book of Job: “If a man die, shall he live again?” (14:14). The second half of the verse begins to answer the question: “…all the days of my appointed time will I wait, till my change come.”
"Most people believe that they are born with “immortal souls.” But the Bible states otherwise: “For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord” (Rom. 6:23). Eternal life is a gift. People are not automatically born with it. Since “all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God” (3:23), and “sin is the transgression of the law” (I John 3:4), there is a penalty—wages earned—for breaking God’s Law!"
"Some religionists try to reason around Romans 6:23, saying that “death” merely means separation from God. But these scriptures are plain. God declares, “Behold, all souls are Mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is Mine: the soul that sins, it shall die” (Ezek. 18:4)."
"When a person dies, he is dead. Death is the ultimate “separation.”
However, there is hope after death! Everyone who has ever lived will be resurrected: “In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality” (I Cor. 15:52-53). This is the “change” of which Job spoke—a change from this temporary, physical existence to eternal life. This is God’s ultimate goal for humanity."
"Those who are being called by God now—who are being judged (I Pet. 4:17) and are building holy, righteous character—will be a part of the First Resurrection upon the Return of Jesus Christ (I Thes. 4:16-17; Rev. 20:6)."
"Death is terrible. The Bible describes it as a “sting.”
"But there is coming a time when death will lose its sting—a time when death will no longer exist: “So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. O death, where is your sting? O grave, where is your victory?” (I Cor. 15:54-55)."
You may also want to read "Is There Life After Death": Is There Life After Death?
"Jesus Christ emphatically and clearly stated, “And no man has ascended up to heaven, but He that came down from heaven, even the Son of Man [Christ]” (John 3:13). Billions of professing Christians believe that when one dies, he or she goes to heaven—but this contradicts what Jesus said! And keep in mind that when Christ said, “no man has ascended up to heaven,” scores of God’s servants from the Old Testament had already died. Take King David, for example, described as a man after God’s own heart (Acts 13:22). The Bible explains that he will rule in God’s kingdom. Certainly, he would be in heaven, right?"
"But notice: “Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulcher is with us unto this day…For David is not ascended into the heavens” (Acts 2:29, 34). If we believe Christ’s words, then these faithful servants of God did not ascend to heaven."
"Now read Ecclesiastes 9: “For to him that is joined to all the living there is hope: for a living dog is better than a dead lion. For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten” (vs. 4-5). Again, the Bible is clear about the state of the dead.
But this leads to the age-old question asked in the book of Job: “If a man die, shall he live again?” (14:14). The second half of the verse begins to answer the question: “…all the days of my appointed time will I wait, till my change come.”
"Most people believe that they are born with “immortal souls.” But the Bible states otherwise: “For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord” (Rom. 6:23). Eternal life is a gift. People are not automatically born with it. Since “all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God” (3:23), and “sin is the transgression of the law” (I John 3:4), there is a penalty—wages earned—for breaking God’s Law!"
"Some religionists try to reason around Romans 6:23, saying that “death” merely means separation from God. But these scriptures are plain. God declares, “Behold, all souls are Mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is Mine: the soul that sins, it shall die” (Ezek. 18:4)."
"When a person dies, he is dead. Death is the ultimate “separation.”
However, there is hope after death! Everyone who has ever lived will be resurrected: “In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality” (I Cor. 15:52-53). This is the “change” of which Job spoke—a change from this temporary, physical existence to eternal life. This is God’s ultimate goal for humanity."
"Those who are being called by God now—who are being judged (I Pet. 4:17) and are building holy, righteous character—will be a part of the First Resurrection upon the Return of Jesus Christ (I Thes. 4:16-17; Rev. 20:6)."
"Death is terrible. The Bible describes it as a “sting.”
"But there is coming a time when death will lose its sting—a time when death will no longer exist: “So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. O death, where is your sting? O grave, where is your victory?” (I Cor. 15:54-55)."
You may also want to read "Is There Life After Death": Is There Life After Death?
Jesus said those who live and believe will never see death and those who die and believe live. This is a fact most churches ignore and do not teach. Jesus told everyone he is the resurrection and the hour and time has come. We believers die, we are not judged,we go straight to paradise if we are followers of Jesus and He accepts us. You will be weighed and your faith will be tested
We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
(2Co 5:8)
there is a difference of events between our soul and body.
For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better:
(Php 1:23)
I see no intermediate state for the redeemed soul since the day of the Christ's Resurrection.
(2Co 5:8)
there is a difference of events between our soul and body.
For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better:
(Php 1:23)
I see no intermediate state for the redeemed soul since the day of the Christ's Resurrection.