PreTrib Rapture Moment 5: What Does Catholicism Teach? - Teaching by Bryan Denlinger
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PeterT, if you cannot discern that the Rapture of the Church and the Second Coming of Jesus Christ are two different events. Then what you need to do is humble yourself, and go read some books by older men of God who have written on subject of the Rapture.
Your ignorance of this truth is just astounding.
I recommend you getting the book: How To Teach Dispensational Truth - By Dr. Peter Ruckman.
Also you may want to check out Doug Stauffer's work: One Book Rightly Divided.
Have you even watched the whole video? Or are you like some of these Christians on here who don't take the time or due diligence to hear the matter, but they will tell you what their opinion is anyways even though they did not take the time to watch and listen to the video. There is a passage in the Bible that points out those kind of people:
He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him. - Proverbs 18:13 (King James Bible)
There are passages in the Bible showing that Jesus will come back for His church. Again Peter, you need to study the Bible dispensationally and you need to compare Scripture with Scripture. You have not answered the questions which I asked you in the other thread. I am still waiting on your answers.
Your ignorance of this truth is just astounding.
I recommend you getting the book: How To Teach Dispensational Truth - By Dr. Peter Ruckman.
Also you may want to check out Doug Stauffer's work: One Book Rightly Divided.
Have you even watched the whole video? Or are you like some of these Christians on here who don't take the time or due diligence to hear the matter, but they will tell you what their opinion is anyways even though they did not take the time to watch and listen to the video. There is a passage in the Bible that points out those kind of people:
He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him. - Proverbs 18:13 (King James Bible)
There are passages in the Bible showing that Jesus will come back for His church. Again Peter, you need to study the Bible dispensationally and you need to compare Scripture with Scripture. You have not answered the questions which I asked you in the other thread. I am still waiting on your answers.
P
I already know they are two different events Bro. But none of the events show before the tribulation
So how would you like me to humble yourself ?
The only BOOK I like to read is the Bible, For me it’s like a loyalty thing, a 100% thing, like the first commandment. Love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind with all your strength.And I like to avoid the false prophets which are many
I think it’s probably the reason you’re in such a mess is because of reading man’s books
So how would you like me to humble yourself ?
The only BOOK I like to read is the Bible, For me it’s like a loyalty thing, a 100% thing, like the first commandment. Love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind with all your strength.And I like to avoid the false prophets which are many
I think it’s probably the reason you’re in such a mess is because of reading man’s books
W
Just a question the whole world for the most part has been told this story of some people just vanishing.
My question is this. Why would they go and hide in caves after this event? I mean at that point everybody that was left would know that they missed the bus right. So at that point are you saying GOD is just killing and destroying the world in kind of a piece mill fashion. I guess with this kind of ending you believe that there is going to be a real war against YHWH?
Psalms 2 doesent read like it is going to be much effort for the LORD just saying.
Is it possible that maybe there are two types of endings one would be counterfiet and the other the real deal is that not possible?
My question is this. Why would they go and hide in caves after this event? I mean at that point everybody that was left would know that they missed the bus right. So at that point are you saying GOD is just killing and destroying the world in kind of a piece mill fashion. I guess with this kind of ending you believe that there is going to be a real war against YHWH?
Psalms 2 doesent read like it is going to be much effort for the LORD just saying.
Is it possible that maybe there are two types of endings one would be counterfiet and the other the real deal is that not possible?
all i have to say
Well that is good that you love reading the Book of the LORD, as I do as well.
Having said that Peter, it still seems that you are dealing in pride though if you think that you cannot learn from other men of God.
No Peter, I rightly divide the Scriptures as I am commanded to do in 2 Timothy 2:15. The Rapture as it is described in the Bible is before the time of Jacob's trouble and it therefore is before the Second coming.
You see if I did not rightly divide the word of truth, then I would be messed up doctrinally like the Roman Catholics and also the Post- Trib. Rapture thieves.
But because I do rightly divide the word of truth, I am able to handle sound Doctrine.
Now I am giving you one last chance to answer the questions which I asked you:
Where does the Apostle Paul mention anything about the sun being darkened and the moon not giving its light in 1 Corinthians 15:51-55 and also 1 Thessalonians 4:15-18?
Also, if the Rapture comes after the tribulation like you imply that it does, then when does the Judgment Seat of Christ take place?
You clearly do not understand dispensational truth, so you need to study the issue.
Having said that Peter, it still seems that you are dealing in pride though if you think that you cannot learn from other men of God.
No Peter, I rightly divide the Scriptures as I am commanded to do in 2 Timothy 2:15. The Rapture as it is described in the Bible is before the time of Jacob's trouble and it therefore is before the Second coming.
You see if I did not rightly divide the word of truth, then I would be messed up doctrinally like the Roman Catholics and also the Post- Trib. Rapture thieves.
But because I do rightly divide the word of truth, I am able to handle sound Doctrine.
Now I am giving you one last chance to answer the questions which I asked you:
Where does the Apostle Paul mention anything about the sun being darkened and the moon not giving its light in 1 Corinthians 15:51-55 and also 1 Thessalonians 4:15-18?
Also, if the Rapture comes after the tribulation like you imply that it does, then when does the Judgment Seat of Christ take place?
You clearly do not understand dispensational truth, so you need to study the issue.
P
That’s nothing to do with pride, it to do with avoiding false prophets and what I think is my loyalty to my king, so how is that prideful or sin full ?
Are you listing to yourself?
It a pre-trib rapture because Paul never mention anything about the sun being darkened and the moon not giving its light.?
I get it now, now we are getting down to it
You are assuming it’s a pre-trib rapture because Paul never mention anything about to signs of Matt24.
I new you couldn’t show an actual event of Jesus coming before the tribulation just your assumptions
Silly me and I was expecting you to show an event or some Bible verses, that Jesus was coming before the tribulation
You can’t build a doctrine on what Paul “didn’t” say, but then again it looks like you can
Are you listing to yourself?
It a pre-trib rapture because Paul never mention anything about the sun being darkened and the moon not giving its light.?
I get it now, now we are getting down to it
You are assuming it’s a pre-trib rapture because Paul never mention anything about to signs of Matt24.
I new you couldn’t show an actual event of Jesus coming before the tribulation just your assumptions
Silly me and I was expecting you to show an event or some Bible verses, that Jesus was coming before the tribulation
You can’t build a doctrine on what Paul “didn’t” say, but then again it looks like you can
PeterT,
the PreTrib. Rapture is not my assumption. It is Bible Doctrine. And the way you can see how the King James Bible clearly teaches a Pre-Trib. Rapture is by rightly dividing the word of truth and by comparing Scripture with Scripture. I didn't seem to find a passage which states that the rapture takes place AFTER the tribulation. Well, that is because the Rapture does not take place after the Tribulation. The Rapture takes place before the Tribulation. In fact, the Rapture is the very event which ends the Church Age. It is the event which ends this dispensation. And then after the Rapture, a new dispensation begins. Which is the time of Jacob's trouble. And in the time of Jacob's trouble, in order to be saved, a person will have to keep the faith of Jesus and also keep the commandments of God (Rev. 14:12).
Plus they will have to endure to the end by not taking the mark of the beast (Matt. 24:13 & Rev. 14:9-12).
Hence, in the time of Jacob's trouble, it is faith AND works that merits salvation to the tribulation saint.
the PreTrib. Rapture is not my assumption. It is Bible Doctrine. And the way you can see how the King James Bible clearly teaches a Pre-Trib. Rapture is by rightly dividing the word of truth and by comparing Scripture with Scripture. I didn't seem to find a passage which states that the rapture takes place AFTER the tribulation. Well, that is because the Rapture does not take place after the Tribulation. The Rapture takes place before the Tribulation. In fact, the Rapture is the very event which ends the Church Age. It is the event which ends this dispensation. And then after the Rapture, a new dispensation begins. Which is the time of Jacob's trouble. And in the time of Jacob's trouble, in order to be saved, a person will have to keep the faith of Jesus and also keep the commandments of God (Rev. 14:12).
Plus they will have to endure to the end by not taking the mark of the beast (Matt. 24:13 & Rev. 14:9-12).
Hence, in the time of Jacob's trouble, it is faith AND works that merits salvation to the tribulation saint.
Not according to the word of God. . .the Church is the fulfillment of the ages.
". . .warnings for us, on whom the fulfillment of the ages has come." (1Co 10:11)
There is no other age after the Church.
You have just presented what Paul calls a false gospel (Gal 1:8-9).
"ANATHEMA!" (Gal 1:9)
". . .warnings for us, on whom the fulfillment of the ages has come." (1Co 10:11)
There is no other age after the Church.
You have just presented what Paul calls a false gospel (Gal 1:8-9).
"ANATHEMA!" (Gal 1:9)
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There is no other age after the Church? Really Elin? What Bible are you reading?
This is how the passage really reads:
Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come. - 1 Corinthians 10:11 (King James Bible)
Get yourself a King James Bible. Now there will be another Dispensation after the Church Age. And the Bible does teach that Elin. There will be another Dispensation after the Church Age. It's called the time of Jacob's trouble. Where God will be dealing directly with the Nation of Israel. Read Matthew 24 & 25. Also read Hebrews and James.
Well here is the thing Elin. If I was presenting that Gospel for this dispensation, well then yeah you would be right. But since I am not presenting this Gospel of faith and works for this dispensation, but for the time of Jacob's trouble, I am not presenting a false Gospel. The Time of Jacob's trouble, which will be the Dispensation that comes after the Church Age ends, will indeed involve a Gospel of Faith AND Works. A tribulation saint will have to endure unto the end by not taking the mark of the beast (See Rev. 14:9-12, Matt. 24, & Heb. 10:26-31). And the tribulation saint will also have to keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus (Rev. 14:12).
I am simply presenting the Gospel that will be in effect in the time of Jacob's trouble. Elin, you need to rightly divide the Scriptures. Rightly divide the word of truth.
This is how the passage really reads:
Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come. - 1 Corinthians 10:11 (King James Bible)
Get yourself a King James Bible. Now there will be another Dispensation after the Church Age. And the Bible does teach that Elin. There will be another Dispensation after the Church Age. It's called the time of Jacob's trouble. Where God will be dealing directly with the Nation of Israel. Read Matthew 24 & 25. Also read Hebrews and James.
Well here is the thing Elin. If I was presenting that Gospel for this dispensation, well then yeah you would be right. But since I am not presenting this Gospel of faith and works for this dispensation, but for the time of Jacob's trouble, I am not presenting a false Gospel. The Time of Jacob's trouble, which will be the Dispensation that comes after the Church Age ends, will indeed involve a Gospel of Faith AND Works. A tribulation saint will have to endure unto the end by not taking the mark of the beast (See Rev. 14:9-12, Matt. 24, & Heb. 10:26-31). And the tribulation saint will also have to keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus (Rev. 14:12).
I am simply presenting the Gospel that will be in effect in the time of Jacob's trouble. Elin, you need to rightly divide the Scriptures. Rightly divide the word of truth.
W
Why dont we look at the rapture like this. Look at the lds joseph smith comes along and tells this great story about golden tablets and other planets and other gods and blah blah blah and so on. The measure of truth is all ways the Bible. That being said how many reading this can tear apart joseph smiths teaching. I would say a lot of you could. He has no scripture and no clue but his teachings have destroyed countless lives.
When Paul was writting His letters and traveling around the synagogues of His time just take a minute and look at the mountain of things he was dealing with. Paul teaches that being cut has nothing to do with being saved. 2,000 years of obedience. Can any of you imagine? We know Paul was beat half to death and thrown off a cliff so much for that best life now teaching Paul might have a different measage then the prosperity pimps of tody.
Paul taught the Thes. that they were not in darkness 1thes.5 look up what the words time and seasons translate from greek to hebrew This goes all the way back to Genesis 1;14 oths and moadeem = signs and seasons.
Paul is teaching the feast of trumpets not a rapture remeber Gal. 1;8
Just start putting things back together they kept the feasts for 1,500 years these are a perfect picture of how the time piece of YHWH works.
I dont wont to sound like a jerk but someone writting books and selling dvds and cds you know making money on a doctrine they are pushing come on guys do I need to say more. I think upton sinclair said it best yeah. Upton Sinclair: 'It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.' I dont think upton was a prophet but he has a good point.
This selling of some ones ideas for money and profit is one of the biggest traps ever it comes right after those seeking honour from men ego and pride a stinch John 5;39-47
Everythng is there for us in the word of GOD!
Let me ask you this why in Mt.2 the wise men didnt know where the Messiah was born why???
When Paul was writting His letters and traveling around the synagogues of His time just take a minute and look at the mountain of things he was dealing with. Paul teaches that being cut has nothing to do with being saved. 2,000 years of obedience. Can any of you imagine? We know Paul was beat half to death and thrown off a cliff so much for that best life now teaching Paul might have a different measage then the prosperity pimps of tody.
Paul taught the Thes. that they were not in darkness 1thes.5 look up what the words time and seasons translate from greek to hebrew This goes all the way back to Genesis 1;14 oths and moadeem = signs and seasons.
Paul is teaching the feast of trumpets not a rapture remeber Gal. 1;8
Just start putting things back together they kept the feasts for 1,500 years these are a perfect picture of how the time piece of YHWH works.
I dont wont to sound like a jerk but someone writting books and selling dvds and cds you know making money on a doctrine they are pushing come on guys do I need to say more. I think upton sinclair said it best yeah. Upton Sinclair: 'It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.' I dont think upton was a prophet but he has a good point.
This selling of some ones ideas for money and profit is one of the biggest traps ever it comes right after those seeking honour from men ego and pride a stinch John 5;39-47
Everythng is there for us in the word of GOD!
Let me ask you this why in Mt.2 the wise men didnt know where the Messiah was born why???
Are you sure about all that?
Actually, that is not how the passage reads in the Greek.
The word translated "world" by the KJV is aionon, and in Greek it means "ages, dispensations."
So the passage really reads:
"warnings for us on whom the fulfillment of the dispensations/ages has come."(1Co 10:11)
Are you sure about that?
Are you sure about that? (1Co 10:11)
Are you sure about that? (1Co 10:11)
Jesus says there will not be another in his revelation of the last days (Heb 1:1-2) which is the NT given through his apostles.
According to Jesus' revelation of the last days (Heb 1:1-2) which is the NT, there are no more dispensations after the Church age (1Co 10:11).
Your gospel of faith and works is false.
ANATHEMA!
Are you sure about that?
Actually, that is not how the passage reads in the Greek.
The word translated "world" by the KJV is aionon, and in Greek it means "ages, dispensations."
So the passage really reads:
"warnings for us on whom the fulfillment of the dispensations/ages has come."(1Co 10:11)
Are you sure about that?
Are you sure about that? (1Co 10:11)
Are you sure about that? (1Co 10:11)
Jesus says there will not be another in his revelation of the last days (Heb 1:1-2) which is the NT given through his apostles.
According to Jesus' revelation of the last days (Heb 1:1-2) which is the NT, there are no more dispensations after the Church age (1Co 10:11).
Your gospel of faith and works is false.
ANATHEMA!
Are you sure about that?
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the Scofield KJV, Chosen?
are you reading footnotes?
get rid of it. it's TOXIC.
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P
But you haven’t shown any scripture so how is it clear?
I agree with those verses that you quoted before but there is nothing about before the tribulation in them verses. But they do speak of the dead raising in the clouds at the last trumpet.
1 Corinthians 15: 51Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
1 Thessalonians 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
My view on the post tribulation (in short)
Matt24 29 Immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days.
30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the CLOUDS of heaven with power and great glory.
31And he shall send his ANGELS with a great sound of a TRUMPET, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Matthew 13:39 The harvest, is the end of the world. And the reapers are the Angels.
“CLOUDS” “TRUMPET” angels shall gather together his elect, Immediately after the tribulation.
Rv11 DEAD rise in the CLOUDS at the LAST TRUMPET at the end of the tribulation and the end of the 1260 days.
You can pull this to bits if you like interpret it all way if you want.
But at least I have shown an EVENT of the DEAD and living gathered in the CLOUDS AFTER the tribulation at the sound of a trumpet, the LAST TRUMPET.
You can pull this to bits if you like, interpret it all way if you want, but at least I have scripture that you can pull to bits, you don’t have any that I can pull to bits.
No event, on scripture, no nothing before the tribulation.
I told you it was a delusion
I agree with those verses that you quoted before but there is nothing about before the tribulation in them verses. But they do speak of the dead raising in the clouds at the last trumpet.
1 Corinthians 15: 51Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
1 Thessalonians 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
My view on the post tribulation (in short)
Matt24 29 Immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days.
30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the CLOUDS of heaven with power and great glory.
31And he shall send his ANGELS with a great sound of a TRUMPET, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Matthew 13:39 The harvest, is the end of the world. And the reapers are the Angels.
“CLOUDS” “TRUMPET” angels shall gather together his elect, Immediately after the tribulation.
Rv11 DEAD rise in the CLOUDS at the LAST TRUMPET at the end of the tribulation and the end of the 1260 days.
You can pull this to bits if you like interpret it all way if you want.
But at least I have shown an EVENT of the DEAD and living gathered in the CLOUDS AFTER the tribulation at the sound of a trumpet, the LAST TRUMPET.
You can pull this to bits if you like, interpret it all way if you want, but at least I have scripture that you can pull to bits, you don’t have any that I can pull to bits.
No event, on scripture, no nothing before the tribulation.
I told you it was a delusion
It is translated correctly in the King James Bible. And the passage reads exactly how it is worded in the Authorized Version. Now let us take a look at this Passage of Scripture in context.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Wherefore, my dearly beloved, flee from idolatry. - 1 Corinthians 10:5-14 (King James Bible)
From reading this passage of Scripture Elin, we can see that these Scriptures are written for instruction in righteousness and for our admonition. And it is talking about the times of the Mosaic Law and Dispensation. All it's saying there is that the things which happened to the Israelites, the punishment which they received in the wilderness for their sin of fornication and idolatry served for examples to us to beware and to be on guard against idolatry and fornication. To be on guard against committing the very same sins which they committed in the wilderness. That passage is not saying that the Dispensation of Grace or the Church Age is now the final dispensation. It is saying that the end of one dispensation (Mosaic Dispensation) is met with the current dispensation (Dispensation of Grace) which we are now living in. Since at the time when the Apostle Paul wrote these Scriptures for us, those things which happened to the Israelites in the wilderness had their fulfillment for our admonition. And that the things which were contained in the Mosaic Law, it's conditions and requirements were now abolished and did not apply to the Dispensation of Grace, which was the current Dispensation that the Apostles were operating in, and also is the Dispensation which we now are living in. You have to understand Elin, Paul was given divine revelation by Jesus Christ and by the Holy Ghost. Through the Inspired writings of the Apostles ( Holy Scripture), and the light of the Gospel, the ignorance of the Gentiles were come to an end. So these two ends ( Mosaic Dispensation and Law & Dispensation of Grace) had come together.
Now if it means what you say it means by claiming that the Church Age is the last dispensation, well then what about the 7 year time of Jacob's trouble? Or what about the 1,000 year millennial reign of Jesus Christ?
Here is one Scripture that refutes your statement Elin,
And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come. - Mark 12:32 (King James Bible)
The world to come that our Lord Jesus was referring to was the 1,000 year literal reign of Jesus Christ. So this age or world (Church Age) is definitely not the last world or age.
Here is another Scripture that talks about the 1,000 year Millennial Reign of Jesus Christ:
34And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage: 35But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: 36Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection. -Luke 20:34-36 (King James Bible)
Again, the world which Jesus Christ is talking about is the Millennial Kingdom.
Here are some more Scriptures that refer to the Millennial Kingdom, which is the world to come:
[SUP]3 [/SUP]How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;
[SUP]4 [/SUP]God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak. - Hebrews 2: 3-5 (King James Bible)
[SUP]4 [/SUP]For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
[SUP]6 [/SUP]If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame - Hebrews 6:4-6 (King James Bible)
So, contrary to what you believe Elin, the Church Age is not the final or last dispensation. But there are two more following after it.
Yes Elin, I am very sure about that. Please get yourself a King James Bible. And read it, study it, and believe it.
Oh yes, I am very sure about that Elin. See Matthew 12:32, Mark 10:30, Luke 18:30, Hebrews 2:5, and Hebrews 6:5.
Yes I am Elin. Again, see Matthew 12:32, Mark 10:30, Luke 18:30, Hebrews 2:5, and Hebrews 6:5.
Okay let's see what Hebrews 1:1-2 says:
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Now Elin, where exactly in those 2 verses does our Lord Jesus Christ say that there will not be another Dispensation?
Again Elin, where exactly in Hebrews 1:1-2 say that there will not be another dispensation?
And you say that there are no more dispensations after the Church Age; Okay, well what about the time of Jacob's Trouble? What about the Physical Millennial Kingdom when Jesus Christ will be ruling and reigning from Jerusalem for 1,000 years?
Well Elin, the Gospel of faith and works which I showed you is laid out for the time of Jacob's trouble. It is not for the Church Age. In the Church Age, which we are now living in, the Gospel is repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. The Gospel in the dispensation we are now living in is simply grace through faith. Without any works. See Eph. 2:8-9, and also Titus 3:5.
But in the time of Jacob's trouble, there will be works involved with salvation. See Revelation 14:9-12, and James 2:17. Also see Matthew 24:13.
And I already told you Elin that the Gospel of faith and works which I am talking about is for the time of Jacob's trouble which is the next dispensation right after the Church Age ends. It is not for this dispensation, but for the one that is after this one. Again Elin, you need to rightly divide the word of truth ( 2 Tim. 2:15).
Yes I am absolutely 100% sure about that:
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. - 2 Timothy 2:15 (King James Bible)
[SUP]5 [/SUP]But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Wherefore, my dearly beloved, flee from idolatry. - 1 Corinthians 10:5-14 (King James Bible)
From reading this passage of Scripture Elin, we can see that these Scriptures are written for instruction in righteousness and for our admonition. And it is talking about the times of the Mosaic Law and Dispensation. All it's saying there is that the things which happened to the Israelites, the punishment which they received in the wilderness for their sin of fornication and idolatry served for examples to us to beware and to be on guard against idolatry and fornication. To be on guard against committing the very same sins which they committed in the wilderness. That passage is not saying that the Dispensation of Grace or the Church Age is now the final dispensation. It is saying that the end of one dispensation (Mosaic Dispensation) is met with the current dispensation (Dispensation of Grace) which we are now living in. Since at the time when the Apostle Paul wrote these Scriptures for us, those things which happened to the Israelites in the wilderness had their fulfillment for our admonition. And that the things which were contained in the Mosaic Law, it's conditions and requirements were now abolished and did not apply to the Dispensation of Grace, which was the current Dispensation that the Apostles were operating in, and also is the Dispensation which we now are living in. You have to understand Elin, Paul was given divine revelation by Jesus Christ and by the Holy Ghost. Through the Inspired writings of the Apostles ( Holy Scripture), and the light of the Gospel, the ignorance of the Gentiles were come to an end. So these two ends ( Mosaic Dispensation and Law & Dispensation of Grace) had come together.
Now if it means what you say it means by claiming that the Church Age is the last dispensation, well then what about the 7 year time of Jacob's trouble? Or what about the 1,000 year millennial reign of Jesus Christ?
Here is one Scripture that refutes your statement Elin,
And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come. - Mark 12:32 (King James Bible)
The world to come that our Lord Jesus was referring to was the 1,000 year literal reign of Jesus Christ. So this age or world (Church Age) is definitely not the last world or age.
Here is another Scripture that talks about the 1,000 year Millennial Reign of Jesus Christ:
34And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage: 35But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: 36Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection. -Luke 20:34-36 (King James Bible)
Again, the world which Jesus Christ is talking about is the Millennial Kingdom.
Here are some more Scriptures that refer to the Millennial Kingdom, which is the world to come:
[SUP]3 [/SUP]How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;
[SUP]4 [/SUP]God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak. - Hebrews 2: 3-5 (King James Bible)
[SUP]4 [/SUP]For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
[SUP]6 [/SUP]If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame - Hebrews 6:4-6 (King James Bible)
So, contrary to what you believe Elin, the Church Age is not the final or last dispensation. But there are two more following after it.
Yes Elin, I am very sure about that. Please get yourself a King James Bible. And read it, study it, and believe it.
Oh yes, I am very sure about that Elin. See Matthew 12:32, Mark 10:30, Luke 18:30, Hebrews 2:5, and Hebrews 6:5.
Yes I am Elin. Again, see Matthew 12:32, Mark 10:30, Luke 18:30, Hebrews 2:5, and Hebrews 6:5.
Okay let's see what Hebrews 1:1-2 says:
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Now Elin, where exactly in those 2 verses does our Lord Jesus Christ say that there will not be another Dispensation?
Again Elin, where exactly in Hebrews 1:1-2 say that there will not be another dispensation?
And you say that there are no more dispensations after the Church Age; Okay, well what about the time of Jacob's Trouble? What about the Physical Millennial Kingdom when Jesus Christ will be ruling and reigning from Jerusalem for 1,000 years?
Well Elin, the Gospel of faith and works which I showed you is laid out for the time of Jacob's trouble. It is not for the Church Age. In the Church Age, which we are now living in, the Gospel is repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. The Gospel in the dispensation we are now living in is simply grace through faith. Without any works. See Eph. 2:8-9, and also Titus 3:5.
But in the time of Jacob's trouble, there will be works involved with salvation. See Revelation 14:9-12, and James 2:17. Also see Matthew 24:13.
And I already told you Elin that the Gospel of faith and works which I am talking about is for the time of Jacob's trouble which is the next dispensation right after the Church Age ends. It is not for this dispensation, but for the one that is after this one. Again Elin, you need to rightly divide the word of truth ( 2 Tim. 2:15).
Yes I am absolutely 100% sure about that:
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. - 2 Timothy 2:15 (King James Bible)