Is Paul The Antichrist A False Prophet

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Naah..... I leave that up to the people that are way more important on here than me. Sorry.......
 

homwardbound

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[h=3]Acts 9:25-29[/h]New International Version (NIV)

[SUP]25 [/SUP]But his followers took him by night and lowered him in a basket through an opening in the wall.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]When he came to Jerusalem, he tried to join the disciples, but they were all afraid of him, not believing that he really was a disciple. [SUP]27 [/SUP]But Barnabas took him and brought him to the apostles. He told them how Saul on his journey had seen the Lord and that the Lord had spoken to him, and how in Damascus he had preached fearlessly in the name of Jesus. [SUP]28 [/SUP]So Saul stayed with them and moved about freely in Jerusalem, speaking boldly in the name of the Lord. [SUP]29 [/SUP]He talked and debated with the Hellenistic Jews, but they tried to kill him.

[h=3]Galatians 2[/h]New International Version (NIV)

[h=3]Paul Accepted by the Apostles[/h]2 Then after fourteen years, I went up again to Jerusalem, this time with Barnabas. I took Titus along also. [SUP]2 [/SUP]I went in response to a revelation and, meeting privately with those esteemed as leaders, I presented to them the gospel that I preach among the Gentiles. I wanted to be sure I was not running and had not been running my race in vain. [SUP]3 [/SUP]Yet not even Titus, who was with me, was compelled to be circumcised, even though he was a Greek. [SUP]4 [/SUP]This matter arose because some false believers had infiltrated our ranks to spy on the freedom we have in Christ Jesus and to make us slaves. [SUP]5 [/SUP]We did not give in to them for a moment, so that the truth of the gospel might be preserved for you.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]As for those who were held in high esteem—whatever they were makes no difference to me; God does not show favoritism—they added nothing to my message. [SUP]7 [/SUP]On the contrary, they recognized that I had been entrusted with the task of preaching the gospel to the uncircumcised, just as Peter had been to the circumcised. [SUP]8 [/SUP]For God, who was at work in Peter as an apostle to the circumcised, was also at work in me as an apostle to the Gentiles. [SUP]9 [/SUP]James, Cephas and John, those esteemed as pillars, gave me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship when they recognized the grace given to me. They agreed that we should go to the Gentiles, and they to the circumcised. [SUP]10 [/SUP]All they asked was that we should continue to remember the poor, the very thing I had been eager to do all along.
 
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Naah..... I leave that up to the people that are way more important on here than me. Sorry.......
Aren't you the one with the authority? I've seen quite a few being banned with you leading the mob since I've notice your name on CC.
 

homwardbound

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The new Jerusalem is built upon Jesus and the 12 Apostles. Mathias was chosen by the Apostles to replace Judas. Paul is not a part of the foundation stones of the New Jerusalem as written in Revelations.
so the road to Damascus is just a made up story, Saul was killing those that believed what then changed him?
lets see
his conversion and what he said about it
[h=3]Philippians 3[/h]New International Version (NIV)

[h=3]No Confidence in the Flesh[/h]3 Further, my brothers and sisters, rejoice in the Lord! It is no trouble for me to write the same things to you again, and it is a safeguard for you. [SUP]2 [/SUP]Watch out for those dogs, those evildoers, those mutilators of the flesh. [SUP]3 [/SUP]For it is we who are the circumcision, we who serve God by his Spirit, who boast in Christ Jesus, and who put no confidence in the flesh— [SUP]4 [/SUP]though I myself have reasons for such confidence.
If someone else thinks they have reasons to put confidence in the flesh, I have more: [SUP]5 [/SUP]circumcised on the eighth day, of the people of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrews; in regard to the law, a Pharisee; [SUP]6 [/SUP]as for zeal, persecuting the church; as for righteousness based on the law, faultless.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]But whatever were gains to me I now consider loss for the sake of Christ. [SUP]8 [/SUP]What is more, I consider everything a loss because of the surpassing worth of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whose sake I have lost all things. I consider them garbage, that I may gain Christ [SUP]9 [/SUP]and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ—the righteousness that comes from God on the basis of faith. [SUP]10 [/SUP]I want to know Christ—yes, to know the power of his resurrection and participation in his sufferings, becoming like him in his death, [SUP]11 [/SUP]and so, somehow, attaining to the resurrection from the dead.
 

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ok so i do not agree with terry but whats the point in condemning him. how about encouraging him to turn to God for true wisdom and counsel? we have to uplift each other not tear each other down, no matter what. Jesus taught love. but terry you are a bit confused. paul made a significant contribution to this religion which was influenced by God. Paul is legit.
 
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Aren't you the one with the authority? I've seen quite a few being banned with you leading the mob since I've notice your name on CC.
Nope. I'm just one of the little guys...... can't figure out how you come up with that one.....
 

homwardbound

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[h=3]Galatians 1[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

[h=3]Greeting[/h]1 Paul, an apostle (not from men nor through man, but through Jesus Christ and God the Father who raised Him from the dead), [SUP]2 [/SUP]and all the brethren who are with me,
To the churches of Galatia:
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Grace to you and peace from God the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ, [SUP]4 [/SUP]who gave Himself for our sins, that He might deliver us from this present evil age, according to the will of our God and Father, [SUP]5 [/SUP]to whom be glory forever and ever. Amen.
[h=3]Only One Gospel[/h][SUP]6 [/SUP]I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, [SUP]7 [/SUP]which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. [SUP]8 [/SUP]But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. [SUP]9 [/SUP]As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For do I now persuade men, or God? Or do I seek to please men? For if I still pleased men, I would not be a bondservant of Christ.
[h=3]Call to Apostleship[/h][SUP]11 [/SUP]But I make known to you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man. [SUP]12 [/SUP]For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came through the revelation of Jesus Christ.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]For you have heard of my former conduct in Judaism, how I persecuted the church of God beyond measure and tried to destroy it. [SUP]14 [/SUP]And I advanced in Judaism beyond many of my contemporaries in my own nation, being more exceedingly zealous for the traditions of my fathers.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother’s womb and called me through His grace, [SUP]16 [/SUP]to reveal His Son in me, that I might preach Him among the Gentiles, I did not immediately confer with flesh and blood, [SUP]17 [/SUP]nor did I go up to Jerusalem to those who were apostles before me; but I went to Arabia, and returned again to Damascus.
[h=3]Contacts at Jerusalem[/h][SUP]18 [/SUP]Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter,[SUP][a][/SUP] and remained with him fifteen days. [SUP]19 [/SUP]But I saw none of the other apostles except James, the Lord’s brother. [SUP]20 [/SUP](Now concerning the things which I write to you, indeed, before God, I do not lie.)
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Afterward I went into the regions of Syria and Cilicia. [SUP]22 [/SUP]And I was unknown by face to the churches of Judea which were in Christ. [SUP]23 [/SUP]But they were hearing only, “He who formerly persecuted us now preaches the faith which he once tried to destroy.” [SUP]24 [/SUP]And they glorified God in me.
 
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I take it this is what got terry banned? LOL who did the banning?
 

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ok so i do not agree with terry but whats the point in condemning him. how about encouraging him to turn to God for true wisdom and counsel? we have to uplift each other not tear each other down, no matter what. Jesus taught love. but terry you are a bit confused. paul made a significant contribution to this religion which was influenced by God. Paul is legit.
Titus 3:10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;

(Ooops, that was Paul speaking.)
 
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That's how we help people...... We ban them
After a certain point, yes.

1 Cor. 5:5
hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord.
 
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Aren't you the one with the authority? I've seen quite a few being banned with you leading the mob since I've notice your name on CC.
he likes his coffee strong with a tad bit of vanilla...it boosts him
and he stops fixating on his crew. just a tip for ya:cool:
 
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he likes his coffee strong with a tad bit of vanilla...it boosts him
and he stops fixating on his crew. just a tip for ya:cool:
kiss-up....LOL
 
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Paul had no respect for Peter James or John '' those who seemed to be pillars added nothing to me '' Paul. Peter James and John were true Apostles and Paul did not respect them and I do not respect Paul. Jesus wrote in Revelations the Apstles at Ephesus were found to be not Apostles and false liars thats Paul and his gang.

Proving that Paul is the false apostle from Revelation 2:2 is very easy thing to do.
Proving that Paul is a false prophet is also a very easy to do.
What is hard is for people to do is to accept that fact. It is an emotional shocker to discover this for most.
The Mormons, a cult, add their bogus book of Mormon.

The rabbinic Jews, a cult, add their bogus book the Takkanah of the rabbis (rabbinic laws), Mishna, oral traditions and more.

All Christian sects, a cult, have their bogus book, the writings and teachings of Paul. (Meet on Sunday's, celebrate for Christmas) Paul "the noted philosopher" shows up "after" the Lord's ministry only as an attack from the devil upon the Lord's ministry. Lord Yeshua who always taught for everyone "to always be Torah observant." Lord Yeshua and Torah (the Lord's Word) are one in the same.

John 14:6 Yeshua said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. (Lord Yeshua is saying that Torah and Him are one in the same. The Way, the Truth and the life are all Hebraic metaphors for Torah or for being Torah observant.)

More proof Torah "God's law' has not been done away with. When the Lord returns, this on a specific Yom Kippur we read "He wore clothing dipped in blood" so we know that this a Yom Kippur event and His name is "The Word of God" which is Torah" the instructions from God for everyone to live by. Revelation 19:13 He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. (Torah)
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Part One

You are correct about two things you stated in this thread that the Torah (Mosaic Teachings) is not “done-away-with” and Paul taught heresies against Yeshua. Admittedly, you are partially correct.

On to other matters--Peter & Paul
Facts First

Today popular identification of the Dead Sea Scrolls includes the “Holy Text” or “the “Holy Bible”. This Holy Bible is a combination of “Torah” and other stories concerning YHWH or G-d that compose the OT. The other sections are the “Epistles” letters written giving an account of Church business (happenings) and include epistles titled as the Gospels or text concerning the life and times of Yeshua. It is not the “Torah” and never was inspired to be "the Torah" or five books of Moses; except one, the Book of Revelations—Is Torah and John was a type Moses that penned this last prophesy of G-d given directly by G-d to John. Therefore, “What is it—this “Holy Bible?” glad you asked; it is the fulfillment of Torah.


Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. Selah; סֶלָה‎, and Amen.
Is it true that the Torah states when you error in part you error in all? The epistle of states: James 2:10; “For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.”

Obviously, the answer is yes.Try to keep this Torah teaching in mind as we continue.
So, who was Paul of the NT? Paul is a former Pharisee and was educated at the feet of Gamaliel (the top Mosaic Lawyer for that time) according to the strict manner of the law of the Torah. A man of such renown taught heresies against the Word/Yeshua; yes, correct again.
Paul did that at one early part of his life; i.e., until he met Yeshua for himself; not as Paul but by the man he once was (unconverted) and formerly named Saul;


Acts 9:1-5...5 “Who are you, Lord?” Saul asked. “I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting,” he replied. 6 “Now get up and go into the city, and you will be told what you must do.” So Saul met “Yeshua” as it is recorded according to the aforementioned ancient Dead Sea Scroll texts. Saul after his conversion became Paul by name.
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don't think terry will be seeing that. he got banned, although I don't know for how long....:confused:
 
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Paul had no respect for Peter James or John '' those who seemed to be pillars added nothing to me '' Paul. Peter James and John were true Apostles and Paul did not respect them and I do not respect Paul. Jesus wrote in Revelations the Apstles at Ephesus were found to be not Apostles and false liars thats Paul and his gang.

Proving that Paul is the false apostle from Revelation 2:2 is very easy thing to do.
Proving that Paul is a false prophet is also a very easy to do.
What is hard is for people to do is to accept that fact. It is an emotional shocker to discover this for most.
The Mormons, a cult, add their bogus book of Mormon.

The rabbinic Jews, a cult, add their bogus book the Takkanah of the rabbis (rabbinic laws), Mishna, oral traditions and more.

All Christian sects, a cult, have their bogus book, the writings and teachings of Paul. (Meet on Sunday's, celebrate for Christmas) Paul "the noted philosopher" shows up "after" the Lord's ministry only as an attack from the devil upon the Lord's ministry. Lord Yeshua who always taught for everyone "to always be Torah observant." Lord Yeshua and Torah (the Lord's Word) are one in the same.

John 14:6 Yeshua said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. (Lord Yeshua is saying that Torah and Him are one in the same. The Way, the Truth and the life are all Hebraic metaphors for Torah or for being Torah observant.)

More proof Torah "God's law' has not been done away with. When the Lord returns, this on a specific Yom Kippur we read "He wore clothing dipped in blood" so we know that this a Yom Kippur event and His name is "The Word of God" which is Torah" the instructions from God for everyone to live by. Revelation 19:13 He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. (Torah)

Only the devil would try to get you away from being Torah observant anymore, to live a life as a Torah-less pagan sinner. All Christianity practices for pagan sun god imagery worship it did not begin with Constantine it began with Paul. Paul's real name is Apollonius "Pol" for short. Apollonius means follower of Apollo, the pagan sun god. Paul is the chief spokes person (anti-messiah) for the new religion that Paul alone invented. Paul's bogus sect and bogus disciple's were first called Christians at Antioch Acts 11:26. No Christians in Jerusalem before 70 AD as recorded by Jewish historian Flavius Josephus. Lord Yeshua is of the Essene sect, a highly devout Torah observant sect of non rabbinic practices. From the Hebrew word Ossimmeaning "doers of Torah." They are also called "sons of light" John 12:36 "While you have the light, believe in the light, that you may become sons of light." These things Yeshua spoke, and departed, and was hidden from them (Light is a Hebraic metaphor for Torah)
Lord Yeshua warns about those who are not Torah observant, those who practice (live a life) for lawlessness "a Torah-less life style"
Matthew 7:23 "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'
Part 2
Now onto Peter and Paul the subject of this thread. Simply stated, the best understanding of a relationship between two people is to listen to the people involved. Since you mention Peter as a believer and supporter of Yeshua (Torah), it is obvious that Peter included Paul as one of those that listened to his teachings but includes a thought of Paul as being a “beloved” brother of the same Yeshua Doctrine (Word). Consider this statement recorded in Peter’s letter to the Church concerning Paul:


2 Peter 3:14
14 Therefore, beloved, since you look for these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, spotless and blameless, 15 and regard the patience of our Lord to be salvation; just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you, 16 as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction. 17 You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, be on your guard lest, being carried away by the error of unprincipled men, you fall from your own steadfastness, 18 but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To Him be the glory, both now and to the day of eternity. Amen.


This Torah reference puts you in error concerning Paul and you have lied against Torah; therefore, you are guilty of offending Torah. Like Saul (now Paul) in your ignorance, you have offended Yeshua. What does Yeshua require you to do now that you know the truth? Moreover, if you are not in error, Peter is in error and guilty of supporting a heretic--Paul; again, according to Torah.
Peter and Paul were beloved brothers in Jesus, whom you refer as Yeshua by His Jewish name. You are in error, not Peter.
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don't think terry will be seeing that. he got banned, although I don't know for how long....:confused:
banned? Oh my. Is is okay to ask why or is it a secret?