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Brother_Don

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Don't get impatient with others. Remember how God dealt with you-with patience and with gentleness. But never water down the truth of God. Let it have its way and never apologize for it. Jesus said," Go...and make disciples..."( Matthew 28:19 ), Not, " Make converts to your own thoughts and opinions."
 
Brother_Don

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That was from todays daily devotional, My Utmost For His Highest. Liberty And The Standards of Jesus. " Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free..."(Galatians 5:1).
 
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InfiniteDescent said:
Lol. I find it kinda funny that your version condemned one puppet, and saved the other, just like the original story did.
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My version didn't speak of condemnation but only of salvation. You assume condemnation.

Which I don't find funny.
 
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kenisyes

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Why then, if God so clearly reveals Himself to everyone and is not the author of confusion and wants us to know the truth, do we have so many differences when it comes to "knowing the truth"?

God reveals Himself, many people do not listen very well. Then they fill the gaps with their own ideas.


Do we believe differently or do we stray away into apostasy?

It's a little of both.

Most of the people who feel like puppets are the people who find it harder to listen well, and so end up following a person in place of God.
 
Messenger_T

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There once was a man who wandered into a cave. A cave that he thought no one had ever entered into before. Not being prepared to enter into the cave he kept going further and further and further into the darkness. Eventually the man became lost. As the man realized that he no longer knew where he was, he began to fear and move towards the walls to try to feel his way out. Soon the man with no site only relying on his hands and feet gave up hope. As the man again started to walk on his own again he stumbled upon a light. When he turned the light on he gazed around him and saw that he was not the first man there. Not only did he see the bodies of men everywhere around him that had died he also saw footprints that lead in the same direction. The man followed the footprints that all went to the same place. And we had reached their destination he looked upon a wall in the cave and saw writing on the wall. The writing had been written by the maker of the cave. The maker of the cave had sent His Son to write down the directions of the way out of the cave. The man realized that not all men had heeded the footprints and followed them. The man had a revelation that if he had not found the light he would not know to follow the footsteps of the son who wrote the directions out of the cage to be saved he would have died along with the men who did not.
 
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That is a nice story. I find it amazing that after all these years, and all these people, the light never went out. Is that because it is a special cave, a special light, or both?
 
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The cave represents the world. The light is the light that was brought into the cave by the cave makers son. The writing on the wall is the same writing and has never changed.
 
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Love it! This illustration brings to mind Plato's Allegory of the Cave.

Messenger_T said:
There once was a man who wandered into a cave. A cave that he thought no one had ever entered into before. Not being prepared to enter into the cave he kept going further and further and further into the darkness. Eventually the man became lost. As the man realized that he no longer knew where he was, he began to fear and move towards the walls to try to feel his way out. Soon the man with no site only relying on his hands and feet gave up hope. As the man again started to walk on his own again he stumbled upon a light. When he turned the light on he gazed around him and saw that he was not the first man there. Not only did he see the bodies of men everywhere around him that had died he also saw footprints that lead in the same direction. The man followed the footprints that all went to the same place. And we had reached their destination he looked upon a wall in the cave and saw writing on the wall. The writing had been written by the maker of the cave. The maker of the cave had sent His Son to write down the directions of the way out of the cave. The man realized that not all men had heeded the footprints and followed them. The man had a revelation that if he had not found the light he would not know to follow the footsteps of the son who wrote the directions out of the cage to be saved he would have died along with the men who did not.
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InfiniteDescent

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Grandpa said:
My version didn't speak of condemnation but only of salvation. You assume condemnation.

Which I don't find funny.
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Lol. I see where this is going ;)
 
Brother_Don

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A man was walking on a path with Jesus, and kept asking Jesus where is everybody, and Jesus would say they are here. The man couldn't see the others. Then one day when they made it to the end of the path and came to a narrow road that other paths led to, the man could see all the others that Jesus had been with the whole time.
 
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Messenger_T said:
What of faith? Abraham did not ubderstand why God asked him to sacrifice Isaac did he? He did trust God enough to keep his promise. Faith is about trusting and doing without knowing the outcome.

It leading to contradictions is the purpose. Which leads us to look for ourselves in scripture...or it should.

God not bringing confusion is why we have His word.

I do not believe as well that we are puppets.

Obedience should be something we should do even without understanding of why.

And again I would ask..if confusion is something God did not author...why so many "truths" in this world?
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Because of the Spirit of error is lout and about and is in and of the flesh that we are born with, and is why it important to be born again. Now I speak of born again not as man but as from God in John 3, and then as from God by the resurrection at the cross of christ after the death first, which brpought us in a new covenant, Love God's revealing it, after Christ rose,we are to come to new life as well by this, 1 Cor. 15. The new Covenant Hebrews 9:15-17
We today have only one high Priest forever and this High Priest is Christ and Christ is not from the tribe of Levi, Christ came from the tribe of Judah, so where there is new life, there is God's true love, and this new life is in the Spirit of God, and oin the Spirit there is no error
 
homwardbound

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Messenger_T said:
Abraham knew who it was. Abraham had faith.

Why then, if God so clearly reveals Himself to everyone and is not the author of confusion and wants us to know the truth, do we have so many differences when it comes to "knowing the truth"?

If God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow; why is it we somehow interpret him differently every few decades?

Does God change or do we?

Do we believe differently or do we stray away into apostasy?
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Man has much trouble in recieving MERCY let alone to give it, and it is Mercy, Go9d's that we are saved, many can't give up being selfish and or forgiving others, the flesh where all sin has been condemend to is the problem. Flesh just does not want to die and unkless it does mentally there is no life, romans 6 and 1 cor 15
 
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ChristReconcilesAll

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Here's a slightly different version from a concordant literal translation. The puppetmaster did not actually destroy the bad puppet because he was just doing the job he was created to do. When his job was finished, his power to be bad was removed, and he became a good puppet who was really glad.

"thereafter the consummation, whenever He may be giving up the kingdom to His God and Father, whenever He should be nullifying all sovereignty and all authority and power. For He must be reigning until He should be placing all His enemies under His feet. The last enemy is being abolished: death. For He subjects all under His feet. Now whenever He may be saying that all is subject, it is evident that it is outside of Him Who subjects all to Him. Now, whenever all may be subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also shall be subjected to Him Who subjects all to Him, that God may be All in all." (1 Corinthians 15:24-28)
 
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