Does the 'revelation of Jesus Christ' bring us HS understanding, as Joyce Meyer says?

[GreenNnice]

Does He?
HS = Holy Spirit

Isn't there Scripture in there somewhere about Christ revealing things to us, and, we KNOW the Holy Spirit reveals things to us, so, what's the big deal with that being truth. Does it attack bible-believing conservatives ? I dunno. Just asking. NOT judging, I just want to know why Joyce Meyers can be in the wrong for praying for her congregation to receive revelation of what she's saying to them.

I don't see anything wrong with this. We are to RECEIVE the HOly Spirit when we accept Christ. This is a process, right. It is His timing. Jesus Christ, first, gave His Twelve (disciples) the Holy Spirit, which they RECEIVED, then, it wasn't until after a certain time that the bible-believing folk at Pentecost RECEIVED the Holy Spirit, in Acts 2 .

Why is this? Why do folks want to THINK that the Holy Spirit cannot reveal things to us, the Holy Spirit is a Helper, He is the seed that God put in Mary that became Jesus Christ, who was who? How about 'God manifest in the flesh.' Simple. What are we even needing to talk about


God can reveal Himself to us any way He pleases, and, He can WORK in us any way He wills and pleases too, for His 'pleasure,' right, and, for His 'will,' right. And, ya gotta say 'yes,' because Scripture is what I say that on, the quoted words are Scripture, ya gotta believe

The Holy Spirit CONVICTS us of initial sin, convinces us that "we are in NEED A Saviour," as Way Of The Master teachers, Kirk Cameron and Ray Comfort, say, but, then, He, the Holy Spirit we're talking of now, continues on through us with our having heard the gospel as 1 Thessalonians 1:5 says, with Him showing, with Him doing (power) and with deep convicition (we don't just be sayers of the Word, but doers ! James says this, right )


So, what kind of life do you REALLY expect you are going to have once you have RECEIVED the Holy Spirit in your life, it's NOT going to go by some book, even the bible, it IS going to go by the Holy Spirit revealing His truth to you, sure, the bible is going to be the foundation of the truth the HOly Spirit reveals, for God is the Word and the Word is truth and Jesus is the Word, and, the Holy Spirit is Jesus, therefore, the Holy Spirit is The Word too , but, you get it, right ?

Anyway, Saturday night, getting late, church is Sunday, God bless, and, I hope and pray that the Holy Spirit reveals His truth of understanding of what I said, and, NO!, it won't be outside of Scripture what is revealed, it WILL be good, just like what Joyce Meyers wants revealed (through the 'revelation of Jesus Christ') in her ministry.

Assignment: Find me some Scriptures that speak of the 'revelation of Jesus Christ' to us of things for our life, and, doesn't Thessalonians 1:5 speak of 'revelation of Jesus Christ,' who is the Holy Spirit working in us as after we've head the Gospel of Christ, we HAVE poWer, and, we WILL have deep conviction to delve deeper into the understanding of what God graced us with of having Him and His Holy Spirit, and, don't forget, having with Him in us, the 'seal' of the inheritance of eternal life with Christ Jesus, Lord God Almighty

 

[ladylynn]

Hi GreenNnice, I agree with you. I'm sad the way we conservative Bible Baptists have treated our Penticostal brothers and sisters. I would not have even listened to one of "them" tongues people some years ago. Being so quick to judge i missed the points needed to understand. I still do not speak in tongues but am no longer afraid of other christians or think they are out of God's will for being different.

I read Mark 4:24 this morning about being careful about what we are hearing. "And He said to them, Be careful what you are hearing. The measure (of thought and study) you give to the truth you hear will be the measure of virtue and knowledge that comes back to you--and more besides will be given to you who hear." We can't ever get too much and we have to keep on studying and reading and praying and studying and reading etc....

I've learned that we must always have the Bible as our source and foundation. God reveals so many things through our daily lives after we have made a regular diet of the Bible- It becomes a part of us even when we r not reading it. We become living epistles. We learn to decern our lives better than we did before we became -more acquainted with The Word of God and Jesus and the HOly Spirit as He works in us, revealing and uncovering the layers of our weak understanding. This is done through God working in us in our minds and hearts daily and along with reading God's Word and surrendering to His will in obedience. The HS is in us showing us and interpreting previous scriptures we read.

I think some christians hear someone like Joyce M. say "revelation in our hearts" and jump the gun saying it's NOT from the Bible!!! RUN!

I used to (as a fundimental Bible Baptist christian) not listen to the individual, but was taught to judge based on - do they speak in tongues? stay away from them... Do they agree with our doctrin if not stay away from them they r bad news. Do they preach prosperity? stay away from it all or u will be corrupted!! So i never got to know them- so i never examined my own beliefs in a hard way like when u meet another christian who is sweet, loving, kind, generous, meek, humble.... and they are "Different" and have virtues that I have not established and am struggling with as a Christian to establish.... That is the time we really begin to examine ourselves and if we might be in need of a personal-overhaul.

And - I must also add, I've been convicted of the sweet, loving, kind, generous, meek and humlbeness of unsaved friends of mine who are by their nature- kinder than me. It has stung and shows me how much more work the Lord needs to do in me.

BTW, I'm over in another topic about Joyce Meyer and people saying she is bad news and such. Did you see it? Sounds like this is a new thread on this. Thanks for posting. God Bless.

 

[hopesprings]

Joyce Meyers prayed that the congregation would be enlightened to the revelation that she felt she had received from the Lord. That isn't necessarily bad, but I would personally be very wary of listening to her 'revealed revelation' when she has been quoted as saying some things that are vastly incorrect. Here is an example...

"He (Jesus) could have helped himself up until the point where he said I commend my spirit into your hands, at that point he couldn’t do nothing for himself anymore. He had become sin, he was no longer the Son of God. He was sin."

I would ask Mrs. Meyers: at what point is God able to stop being God?

Some would even call this heresy.

 

[loveme1]

John 14

If ye love me, keep my commandments.16And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.18I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. 19Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also. 20At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you. 21He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. 22Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world? 23Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. 24He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.25These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you. 26But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

If we respectfully put joyce aside and search the Scriptures then the answer is found written for us.

 

[tribesman]

If we respectfully put joyce aside and search the Scriptures then the answer is found written for us.

That's some good advice indeed.

 

[GreenNnice]

John 14



If we respectfully put joyce aside and search the Scriptures then the answer is found written for us.

The most pecuilar thing about that passage you presented us is the word, 'I,' LoveMe#1,and, how God relates 'that' word to the word, 'Comforter,' or, in other versions of the New Testament, the word for 'Comforter' is 'Helper.'

First person to third person back to first person?? Interesting , indeed Revelation ?

God bless you, milady, for your great work, your great revelation given us all, given to YOU by (and through) Him

 

[loveme1]

The most pecuilar thing about that passage you presented us is the word, 'I,' LoveMe#1,and, how God relates 'that' word to the third-person word, 'Comforter,' or, in other versions of New Testament, 'Helper.'

God bless you, milady, for your great work, your great revelation given us all, given to YOU by (and through) Him

You know within me 'i' understand this very well if ever 'i' try to put it into words 'i' cannot.

With or without one's eyes closed search within, for that is where you will find.



may you receive this well my friend.

 

[zone]

Does He?
HS = Holy Spirit

Isn't there Scripture in there somewhere about Christ revealing things to us, and, we KNOW the Holy Spirit reveals things to us, so, what's the big deal with that being truth. Does it attack bible-believing conservatives ? I dunno. Just asking. NOT judging, I just want to know why Joyce Meyers can be in the wrong for praying for her congregation to receive revelation of what she's saying to them.

I don't see anything wrong with this. We are to RECEIVE the HOly Spirit when we accept Christ. This is a process, right. It is His timing. Jesus Christ, first, gave His Twelve (disciples) the Holy Spirit, which they RECEIVED, then, it wasn't until after a certain time that the bible-believing folk at Pentecost RECEIVED the Holy Spirit, in Acts 2 .

Why is this? Why do folks want to THINK that the Holy Spirit cannot reveal things to us, the Holy Spirit is a Helper, He is the seed that God put in Mary that became Jesus Christ, who was who? How about 'God manifest in the flesh.' Simple. What are we even needing to talk about


God can reveal Himself to us any way He pleases, and, He can WORK in us any way He wills and pleases too, for His 'pleasure,' right, and, for His 'will,' right. And, ya gotta say 'yes,' because Scripture is what I say that on, the quoted words are Scripture, ya gotta believe

The Holy Spirit CONVICTS us of initial sin, convinces us that "we are in NEED A Saviour," as Way Of The Master teachers, Kirk Cameron and Ray Comfort, say, but, then, He, the Holy Spirit we're talking of now, continues on through us with our having heard the gospel as 1 Thessalonians 1:5 says, with Him showing, with Him doing (power) and with deep convicition (we don't just be sayers of the Word, but doers ! James says this, right )


So, what kind of life do you REALLY expect you are going to have once you have RECEIVED the Holy Spirit in your life, it's NOT going to go by some book, even the bible, it IS going to go by the Holy Spirit revealing His truth to you, sure, the bible is going to be the foundation of the truth the HOly Spirit reveals, for God is the Word and the Word is truth and Jesus is the Word, and, the Holy Spirit is Jesus, therefore, the Holy Spirit is The Word too , but, you get it, right ?

Anyway, Saturday night, getting late, church is Sunday, God bless, and, I hope and pray that the Holy Spirit reveals His truth of understanding of what I said, and, NO!, it won't be outside of Scripture what is revealed, it WILL be good, just like what Joyce Meyers wants revealed (through the 'revelation of Jesus Christ') in her ministry.

Assignment: Find me some Scriptures that speak of the 'revelation of Jesus Christ' to us of things for our life, and, doesn't Thessalonians 1:5 speak of 'revelation of Jesus Christ,' who is the Holy Spirit working in us as after we've head the Gospel of Christ, we HAVE poWer, and, we WILL have deep conviction to delve deeper into the understanding of what God graced us with of having Him and His Holy Spirit, and, don't forget, having with Him in us, the 'seal' of the inheritance of eternal life with Christ Jesus, Lord God Almighty

i'd have to see an actual quote from her.
don't know what you're referring to.

Joyce Meyers is a false teacher though, in any case.

why do ppl pay heed to televangelists?

not knowing this.

 

[zone]

“The Devil thought he had it, the devil thought he had won. Oh they were having the biggest party that has ever been had. They had my Jesus on the floor and they were standing on his back jumping up and down laughing and he had become sin. Don’t you think that God was pacing wanting to put a stop to what was going on. All the hosts of hell were up on him, up on him, up on him. The angels are in agony, all the creation is groaning. All the hosts of hell was up on him, up on him, they got on him. They got him down in the floor and got on him and they were laughing and mocking, “haha you trusted God and look where you ended up. You thought he would save you and get you off that cross – he didn’t haha.”
Joyce Meyer

http://craigbrownsreformedtheology.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/clip-1-joyce-meyer.mp3 < audio

i don't know if she ever repented of this blasphemy.
if so, i'm not aware of it.
just that the tapes are no longer for sale.

she claimed the Atonement was not complete without this hell-episode.
ugh.

 

[MaggieMye]

what proof do you have that Joyce Meyers is a false teacher? what Biblical principles has she gone against? what has she lied about?

 

[zone]

what proof do you have that Joyce Meyers is a false teacher? what Biblical principles has she gone against? what has she lied about?

if i go to the trouble of documenting it, will you believe it, maggie?
let me know before i bother.
t.y.

p.s: see post directly above yours, for starters.
do you agree with her on that?

 

[MaggieMye]

I would have to read it in context before being able to know if what she said was wrong. What did she say before it? I will check when I get home.

 

[zone]

I would have to read it in context before being able to know if what she said was wrong. What did she say before it? I will check when I get home.

maggie?
could you show me anywhere in scripture anything like this (supposedly taking place in hell):

"The Devil thought he had it, the devil thought he had won. Oh they were having the biggest party that has ever been had. They had my Jesus on the floor and they were standing on his back jumping up and down laughing and he had become sin. Don’t you think that God was pacing wanting to put a stop to what was going on. All the hosts of hell were up on him, up on him, up on him. The angels are in agony, all the creation is groaning. All the hosts of hell was up on him, up on him, they got on him. They got him down in the floor and got on him and they were laughing and mocking, “haha you trusted God and look where you ended up. You thought he would save you and get you off that cross"
Joyce Meyer (see previously posted audio)

what context could possibly excuse this?
i suppose while i'm at it i'll post the others in that Jesus-paid-the-price-in-hell gaggle of apostates.

 

[GreenNnice]

“The Devil thought he had it, the devil thought he had won. Oh they were having the biggest party that has ever been had. They had my Jesus on the floor and they were standing on his back jumping up and down laughing and he had become sin. Don’t you think that God was pacing wanting to put a stop to what was going on. All the hosts of hell were up on him, up on him, up on him. The angels are in agony, all the creation is groaning. All the hosts of hell was up on him, up on him, they got on him. They got him down in the floor and got on him and they were laughing and mocking, “haha you trusted God and look where you ended up. You thought he would save you and get you off that cross – he didn’t haha.”
Joyce Meyer

http://craigbrownsreformedtheology.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/clip-1-joyce-meyer.mp3 < audio

i don't know if she ever repented of this blasphemy.
if so, i'm not aware of it.
just that the tapes are no longer for sale.

she claimed the Atonement was not complete without this hell-episode.
ugh.

"Blasphemy" is different than what Joyce Meyers does in your 'Devil' paragraph, ohzone, when one blasphemies it is DENYING God, this above would be considered simply a definition of false teaching, but, if she pulled the sermon off the shelves then she must have saw that what she was saying was false. That said.....

...I do not see what is so wrong here. Jesus the man died, and, THAT is who the Devil THOUGHT He was speaking, too, and, the Devil was mocking and cursing the man on the tree, who WAS feeling human pain on that cross and was feeling the wherewithall and coming-on of human death "Cursed is the man who hangs on the tree," right, ohzone, Hebrews, that's Scripture, by the way

OK, just kidding around, I know you know your Scripture pretty good, ohzone although sometimes I think you are too historical with the understanding of it all and not revolutionary thinking enough of how God wants to reveal things to you that MAY seem wrong, like, an example, of killing your own son, just because God says so, ala Abraham, Isaac, but, yeah, milady, you just need to pray to Him more, I think, and, the revelation of what's being said right now in this particular thread about Joyce Meyers will come to you and you will understand that Meyers was speaking of THE MAN that the Devil was stomping on and NOT Christ, for God cannot die, He is alpha and omega....... Satan's understanding of Christ was finite, not God's

 

[zone]

"Blasphemy" is different than what Joyce Meyers does in your 'Devil' paragraph, ohzone, when one blasphemies it is DENYING God, this above would be considered simply a definition of false teaching, but, if she pulled the sermon off the shelves then she must have saw that what she was saying was false. That said.....

why do you keep making that claim - blasphemy = denying?

Blasphemy (988 /blasphēmía) "switches" right for wrong (wrong for right), i.e. calls what God disapproves, "right" which "exchanges the truth of God for a lie" (Ro 1:25). See 987 (blasphēmeō).

b. specifically, impious and reproachful speech injurious to the divine majesty: Matthew 26:65; Mark 2:7 (R G); ; Luke 5:21; John 10:33; Revelation 13:5 (not Lachmann); ὄνομα or ὀνόματα βλασφημίας equivalent to βλάσφημα (cf. Winers Grammar, § 34, 3 b.; (Buttmann, § 132, 10)): Revelation 13:1; Revelation 17:3 (R G Tr, see γέμω); τοῦ πνεύματος, genitive of the object, Matthew 12:31; πρός τόν Θεόν, Revelation 13:6. (Euripides, Plato, Demosthenes, others; for נֶאָצָה Ezekiel 35:12.) (BB. DD. under the word ; Campbell, Diss. on the Gospels, diss. ix. part ii.)

"Blasphemy" is different than what Joyce Meyers does in your 'Devil' paragraph,

is it different?

it's not my paragraph, green.

ohzone, when one blasphemies it is DENYING God

is it?
in what sense?
document please. not your opinion.
i do not want your opinion.

this above would be considered simply a definition of false teaching, but, if she pulled the sermon off the shelves then she must have saw that what she was saying was false. That said.....

alright. so it's false teaching.
does that make joyce meyer a false teacher?

why would you assume it's because she recognized it as false teaching?
wouldn't an high-profile televangelist publically recant something so horribly false?

there's no record i am aware of in which she recants that (and other false teachings).

...I do not see what is so wrong here.

yes....i understand that.

Jesus the man died, and, THAT is who the Devil THOUGHT He was speaking, too

where is the Biblical record of the devil speaking to Jesus in hell?

and, the Devil was mocking and cursing the man on the tree

where is the Biblical record of the devil mocking and cursing the man on the tree?

OK, just kidding around,

why?

I know you know your Scripture pretty good, ohzone although sometimes I think you are too historical with the understanding of it all and not revolutionary thinking enough of how God wants to reveal things to you that MAY seem wrong

well, i guess that's your issue.

are you finding a loophole to excuse that hell-episode, or joyce meyer?
and doing it at the expense of my (puny) efforts to be faithful to scripture?

like, an example, of killing your own son, just because God says so, ala Abraham, Isaac, but, yeah, milady, you just need to pray to Him more,I think

why do you think i'm the one needing to pray more?
i'm not the one making excuses for blasphemy.
you are.

why do you rely on your own thoughts so much?

you just need to pray to Him more, I think, and, the revelation of what's being said right now in this particular thread about Joyce Meyers will come to you

what revelation is that?
what will come to me?
that she's a false teacher?
i already know that.

and you will understand that Meyers was speaking of THE MAN that the Devil was stomping on and NOT Christ, for God cannot die, He is alpha and omega....... Satan's understanding of Christ was finite, not God's

you're as much of a false teacher as she is.
is that any surprise?

document the Jesus-in-hell-with-satan-stomping-on-him episode from Scripture, green.

if it was false enough for Joyce to pull the tapes, why are you uttering the same blasphemy now?

 

[GreenNnice]

Sooooooo, what are you REALLY saying, ohzone
(((((((((((((())))))))))

No, seriously, ohzone, Christ was dead on the cross, was He not ? Satan saw the same dead man we did? Think about it . Does EVERYTHING have to be verbatim Scipture for you to understand, milady

The Devil is NOT capable of understanding the thoughts of God; the Devil THOUGHT he was tempting A MAN named Jesus in the wilderness, but, stupid Satan, he was tempting the living God ! YOU can't tempt God, can you, ohzone ??? WHAT was Satan thinking, sheeesh. Thought he could tempt God, of all people, God !


OH, ohzone, I'm kidding around with ya, of course, Satan KNEW NOT who he was dealing with, He was dealing with the Everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace, Holy One, Almighty God !!!!!!!

Now, can this make sense to you? Joyce Meyers was not talking about the Devil in hell mocking and ridiculing Jesus, ON THAT PLANE ! Why? Because Satan AIN'T on that plane, Satan (the Devil) was NOT in on that part of the 'cross' plan. What Satan KNEW was what God wanted Him to know, and, rest assured, Satan was surpised as hell (pardon my French, so to speak) when Jesus Christ ROSE from the grave !!! In hell, mocking him, the MAN, the Devil was mocking THE MAN, not God !! Satan is not THAT smart, ohzone, don't give the Devil that much credit, He can only KNOW and DO what God will let Him, not one thing MORE I think a lot of people in churches around the country and in Meyers' own congregation, maybe, THOUGHT that she was speaking of what you say, and, there was enough negative press that she pulled the sermon from the shelves, if she did. The Lord leads, we are to follow Him, and, IF that above paragraph you quoted was being misinterpreted by MAN then Meyers' was knowing , from REVELATION from Him, to get it off the shelves of man's mind

I'm going to include this excerpt of Meyers' 'Satan THOUGHT Jesus DEAD' (this is what I would title the sermon, it's not what Joyce titled it):

"The Devil thought he had it, the devil thought he had won. Oh they were having the biggest party that has ever been had. They had my Jesus on the floor and they were standing on his back jumping up and down laughing and he had become sin. Don’t you think that God was pacing wanting to put a stop to what was going on. All the hosts of hell were up on him, up on him, up on him. The angels are in agony, all the creation is groaning. All the hosts of hell was up on him, up on him, they got on him. They got him down in the floor and got on him and they were laughing and mocking, “haha you trusted God and look where you ended up. You thought he would save you and get you off that cross"
Joyce Meyer (see previously posted audio)

 

[zone]

No, seriously, ohzone, Christ was dead on the cross, was He not ? Satan saw the same dead man we did? Think about it . Does EVERYTHING have to be verbatim Scipture for you to understand, milady

i understand personal opinion and eisegesis.

i do prefer you document your claims from the Bible if i am supposed to believe them.

The Devil is NOT capable of understanding the thoughts of God; the Devil THOUGHT he was tempting A MAN named Jesus in the wilderness, but, stupid Satan, he was tempting the living God ! YOU can't tempt God, can you, ohzone ??? WHAT was Satan thinking, sheeesh. Thought he could tempt God, of all people, God !

OH, ohzone, I'm kidding around with ya, of course, Satan KNEW NOT who he was dealing with, He was dealing with the Everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace, Holy One, Almighty God !!!!!!!

really?

Matthew 4
Jesus Is Tested in the Wilderness

1Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempteda by the devil. 2After fasting forty days and forty nights, he was hungry. 3The tempter came to him and said, “If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread.”

4Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.’b ”

5Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple. 6“If you are the Son of God,” he said, “throw yourself down. For it is written:

“ ‘He will command his angels concerning you,
and they will lift you up in their hands,
so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.’ ”

7Jesus answered him, “It is also written: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.’d ”

8Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. 9“All this I will give you,” he said, “if you will bow down and worship me.”

10Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’e ”

11Then the devil left him, and angels came and attended him.

Now, can this make sense to you?

no.

Joyce Meyers was not talking about the Devil in hell mocking and ridiculing Jesus, ON THAT PLANE ! Why? Because Satan AIN'T on that plane, Satan (the Devil) was NOT in on that part of the 'cross' plan.

then what was she talking about?

What Satan KNEW was what God wanted Him to know, and, rest assured, Satan was surpised as hell (pardon my French, so to speak) when Jesus Christ ROSE from the grave !!! In hell, mocking him, the MAN, the Devil was mocking THE MAN, not God !!

could you please document that:

satan is in hell
satan mocked Jesus the man in hell

Satan is not THAT smart, ohzone, don't give the Devil that much credit, He can only KNOW and DO what God will let Him, not one thing MORE

did God let satan and demons jump on Jesus' back in hell and mock Him?
if not, where did the teaching come from?

why would anyone make that claim?
and why are you defending it?

I think a lot of people in churches around the country and in Meyers' own congregation, maybe, THOUGHT that she was speaking of what you say, and, there was enough negative press that she pulled the sermon from the shelves, if she did.

i provided an audio.
she said what she said.

to the best of my knowledge there has been no correction of it.

The Lord leads, we are to follow Him, and, IF that above paragraph you quoted was being misinterpreted by MAN then Meyers' was knowing , from REVELATION from Him, to get it off the shelves of man's mind

GET THEE BEHIND ME, O SATAN.

I'm going to include this excerpt of Meyers' 'Satan THOUGHT Jesus DEAD' (this is what I would title the sermon, it's not what Joyce titled it):

whatever.

 

[GreenNnice]

That's RIGHT !


'no.' It CAN'T make sense because God's not some man fully, just a man, He is fully God, ohzone , He is the living God of the universe, of everything everywhere who made every one. He is Lord, Satan did not KNOW that He was tempting the Son of God, Satan only KNEW that Jesus, this man on Earth, CLAIMED to be the Son of God and the Son of Man.

This Jesus you THINK was jumped on and mocked on by Satan was mocked on in MAN form. Satan had NO CLUE that after three days, the man, Jesus, who was 'cursed on a tree,' would arise again, in, a GLORIFIED BODY.

Satan NEVER knew these things, ohzone, God did NOT reveal them to him . Only God knew . He knows all, "He is all and all."
Again, milady, quit giving Satan so much credit, he is just someone that God booted out of heaven and can do things on Earth with His mind as God allows. He does NOT know God's mind, right, you know 1 Cor. 2, NO ONE KNOWS God's thoughts, and, that, most assuredly and definitely applies to Christ on the cross, dead up there, and, THAT is when Satan began mocking Jesus, as soon as Jesus died on that cross . Satan was MOCKING a dead man, who was cursed on a tree !!!


As I said before, Satan was surprised as the rest of us when on the Third Day Jesus arose again !!! No one expected it to happen. No one !! ONly God And, yep, I think you are getting it now, ONLY He knew, ohzone

 

[GreenNnice]

There are some things, ohzone, that God let Satan know, but that was to further His plan, and, trust me on this, Satan knew NOT that Christ was going to rise again. Satan thought he'd killed the Christ child, and, I believe Satan thought he'd killed God. Silly Satan It was all God's plan, EVEN allowing the Devil to 'enter Judas (Iscariot), He knew, only Him

 

[zone]

That's RIGHT !
'no.' It CAN'T make sense because God's not some man fully, just a man, He is fully God, ohzone , He is the living God of the universe, of everything everywhere who made every one. He is Lord, Satan did not KNOW that He was tempting the Son of God, Satan only KNEW that Jesus, this man on Earth, CLAIMED to be the Son of God and the Son of Man.

could you please provide documentation for this?
where does it tell us satan did not know Jesus was The actual literal Son of God?
(just some man claiming to be).

This Jesus you THINK was jumped on and mocked on by Satan was mocked on in MAN form. Satan had NO CLUE that after three days, the man, Jesus, who was 'cursed on a tree,' would arise again, in, a GLORIFIED BODY.

so you believe (and teach) that Christ the Man went to hell and was tormented by satan and demons for three days where they jumped on Him and mocked Him.

please provide evidence for this from Scripture.
this is my 3rd request.

i don't need evidence of what satan thought about the Man.
just provide the texts saying Jesus suffered at the hands of the devil and crew for 3 days.

Satan NEVER knew these things, ohzone, God did NOT reveal them to him . Only God knew .

prove any of this.
satan never knew the man claiming to be Jesus (the man he was partying over and abusing in hell) was actually going to rise from the dead.

prove it any way you like, from the Bible.

this is my 4th request.

Again, milady, quit giving Satan so much credit,

i'm afraid it's you who is doing that.
document your claims.

"He was pronounced guilty on the cross but He paid the price in hell."
Joyce Meyer (What Happened from the Cross to The Throne? audio)

"And you've got to really glean some things out of the Word of God to really get hold of what He [Jesus] did for you during those three days. Jesus said, 'It is finished.' And He meant the Old Covenant. The job He had to do was just getting started. He really did the job the three days and nights that He was in hell. That's where the job was done."
Joyce Meyer (What Happened from the Cross to The Throne? audio)

‎"God rose up from His throne and said to demon powers tormenting the sinless Son of God, 'Let Him go.' Then the resurrection power of Almighty God went through hell and filled Jesus. He was resurrected from the dead -- the first born-again man"
Joyce Meyer ("The Most Important Decision You Will Ever Make", 1991 pg. 36)

he is just someone that God booted out of heaven and can do things on Earth with His mind as God allows. He does NOT know God's mind, right, you know 1 Cor. 2, NO ONE KNOWS God's thoughts, and, that, most assuredly and definitely applies to Christ on the cross, dead up there, and, THAT is when Satan began mocking Jesus, as soon as Jesus died on that cross . Satan was MOCKING a dead man, who was cursed on a tree !!!

i see.....so is Joyce Meyer a false teacher then for the hell-episode?

do you have documentation that satan was in hell (or elsewhere) mocking Jesus while He hung dead upon the Cross?

As I said before, Satan was surprised as the rest of us when on the Third Day Jesus arose again !!! No one expected it to happen. No one !! ONly God

please document satan's surprise.

And, yep, I think you are getting it now, ONLY He knew, ohzone

only He knew what?
that satan was in hell jumping all over Jesus and mocking Him for 3 days?

is this what you intend to foist upon people via threads like this?

Re: Does the 'revelation of Jesus Christ' bring us HS understanding, as Joyce Meyer s....


"The Bible can't even find any way to explain this. Not really. That's why you've got to get it by revelation. There are no words to explain what I'm telling you. I've got to just trust God that He's putting it into your spirit like He put it into mine."

Joyce Meyer (What Happened from the Cross to The Throne? audio)

This Jesus you THINK was jumped on and mocked on by Satan was mocked on in MAN form. Satan had NO CLUE that after three days, the man, Jesus, who was 'cursed on a tree,' would arise again, in, a GLORIFIED BODY.