Practical Sunday or Saturday Sabbath verses Legalisms’ Sunday or Saturday Sabbath?

[AgapeSpiritEyes]

Practical Sunday or Saturday Sabbath verses Legalisms’ Sunday or Saturday Sabbath observation?
Today in our Christendom arguments doubt and uncertainty abound. For some it is to obey and be accepted by God by not doing certain things that are practical or in other words to just be idle physically so as to be spiritually acceptable and not anger God or offend Jesus on a certain day “Sabbath”. While considering other believers want to please the Lord by not doing practical everyday things so as not to offend the Lord on the Sabbath that they may keep it holy. Jesus addressed this simply in His comments do not be so legalistic about doing to be holy if your life or the life of others or even an animal is in need or in a simple word practical love responding to others life as your own.
What about the Sabbath within the legalistic (whether partial or fully) belief of keeping the Sabbath holy; the pastor or any minister that is working on the Sabbath whether it is Saturday or Sunday. These ministers whether preachers, teachers, pastors, evangelist, administrators, deacons musicians and others are breaking the legalistic demands of the Sabbath. They are laboring in the physical by laboring spiritually of which they are due their wages laboring for the saints. Do they not break the Sabbath? It seems to me they do according to the legal letter. They are accountable on a higher accountability and if God sees it, is God now anointing those that break the Sabbath for those who do not adhere to the strict or do accept the liberal adherence of obeying the Sabbath and this is done every Sabbath this is an acceptable mind set and that knowingly they are under so He goes on to anoint them regardless? Where is any communication that God does so i.e. What “Word” is specifically categorically referenced in the New Covenant?
So, we either ignore this as we meet (our choice of the Sabbath day Saturday or Sunday) or we accept the simple practicality that God is not interested for us to be legalistic about loving Him growing in faith in His giving of His love through faith along with His full confident in Christ Jesus to fulfill all His heart’s desire to develop us into loving obedient sons and daughters without the law of legalism but the law of (if you want to say law); mercy, grace agape, personal relationship, obedience by mutual love and adoration for Him each and every day.

 

[mwc68]

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I am a musician for the Church and never considered it work. I always thought it was a priviledge.

 

[homwardbound]

Re: Practical Sunday or Saturday Sabbath verses Legalisms’ Sunday or Saturday Sabbath

Practical Sunday or Saturday Sabbath verses Legalisms’ Sunday or Saturday Sabbath observation?
Today in our Christendom arguments doubt and uncertainty abound. For some it is to obey and be accepted by God by not doing certain things that are practical or in other words to just be idle physically so as to be spiritually acceptable and not anger God or offend Jesus on a certain day “Sabbath”. While considering other believers want to please the Lord by not doing practical everyday things so as not to offend the Lord on the Sabbath that they may keep it holy. Jesus addressed this simply in His comments do not be so legalistic about doing to be holy if your life or the life of others or even an animal is in need or in a simple word practical love responding to others life as your own.
What about the Sabbath within the legalistic (whether partial or fully) belief of keeping the Sabbath holy; the pastor or any minister that is working on the Sabbath whether it is Saturday or Sunday. These ministers whether preachers, teachers, pastors, evangelist, administrators, deacons musicians and others are breaking the legalistic demands of the Sabbath. They are laboring in the physical by laboring spiritually of which they are due their wages laboring for the saints. Do they not break the Sabbath? It seems to me they do according to the legal letter. They are accountable on a higher accountability and if God sees it, is God now anointing those that break the Sabbath for those who do not adhere to the strict or do accept the liberal adherence of obeying the Sabbath and this is done every Sabbath this is an acceptable mind set and that knowingly they are under so He goes on to anoint them regardless? Where is any communication that God does so i.e. What “Word” is specifically categorically referenced in the New Covenant?
So, we either ignore this as we meet (our choice of the Sabbath day Saturday or Sunday) or we accept the simple practicality that God is not interested for us to be legalistic about loving Him growing in faith in His giving of His love through faith along with His full confident in Christ Jesus to fulfill all His heart’s desire to develop us into loving obedient sons and daughters without the law of legalism but the law of (if you want to say law); mercy, grace agape, personal relationship, obedience by mutual love and adoration for Him each and every day.

We are today this side of the cross looking back to and thankiing God for this
[h=3]Romans 14:1-7[/h]New International Version (NIV)

[h=3]The Weak and the Strong[/h]14 Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters. [SUP]2 [/SUP]One person’s faith allows them to eat anything, but another, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. [SUP]3 [/SUP]The one who eats everything must not treat with contempt the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted them. [SUP]4 [/SUP]Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. [SUP]6 [/SUP]Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord. Whoever eats meat does so to the Lord, for they give thanks to God; and whoever abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. [SUP]7 [/SUP]For none of us lives for ourselves alone, and none of us dies for ourselves alone.

1 Corinthians 15:57
But thanks be to God! He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

Thank you for your post

 

[notuptome]

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An age old argument. The Jews worshipped the Sabbath day more than the God of the Sabbath day. Jesus rose from the tomb on the first day of the week. Early Jewish Christians met on the first day of the week. Gal 4:8-14 Paul inquires as to what the Galatians were doing. Going back to the Sabbath prompts him to ask in ch 3 vs 3 Are ye so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit are ye now made perfect (complete) by the flesh? The early church continued in the apostles doctrine which appears to be they met on the first day of the week. Your mileage may vary.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[RedTent]

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Every one of us must make a decision regarding Saturday or Sunday worship. Paul says that decision can be for either day.

Some of us are making the decision based on legalism. I don't think that should apply to this. We need to make the decision to obey without it being a rote doing, expecting the doing alone to gain us the kingdom. That doesn't tell us to pick Sat. or Sun.

Some are doing it to be accepted by God. Or to please God. God says it isn't our works to make us accepted, but to love the Lord with all our heart and soul, go to Christ for forgiveness, and don't judge others. Nothing about Sat or Sun., really.

Some say that the new covenant tells them about Sat. or Sun. The new covenant gives us Christ and all that means. The only way that would apply is that Christ said He never came to destroy any law, but He explains how he expanded on every one. That could have some bearing on Sat and Sun. The old law says Saturday is the day God blessed, the day He picked. We know from how he runs things that timing is involved, even hours and days. God is a God of order. That could help us decide.

So lets look at how this Sunday thing got started. It was started by the pagans new to Christ, and wanting to keep their old ways of church on Sunday. That was based on the day of the sun. Doesn't sound like a good idea to me. But God explained that it was the heart of the people that mattered, and taking a day to obey "Sabbath". We aren't to judge ourselves or anyone based on Saturday or Sunday.

That gets us right back to the start. We need to decide Sat. or Sun.

 

[zone]

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So lets look at how this Sunday thing got started. It was started by the pagans new to Christ, and wanting to keep their old ways of church on Sunday. That was based on the day of the sun. Doesn't sound like a good idea to me. But God explained that it was the heart of the people that mattered, and taking a day to obey "Sabbath". We aren't to judge ourselves or anyone based on Saturday or Sunday.
That gets us right back to the start. We need to decide Sat. or Sun.

oh will you ever stop with the ill-informed propaganda.
stop with the mythologies.

you start off saying nothing in legalism...then accuse 2000 years of christians of being paganized....darn those antisemitic gentiles who budged into the jewish church, eh.....ugh.

saturday sabbath is not commanded ANYWHERE in NT scripture....try as hard as you wish.

your rabbi will make all kinds of assertions. i saw your ism site...lol
if you like shadows, thats your choice

 

[Laodicea]

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The New Testament does not tell us to keep the first day of the week holy as the sabbath. The New Testament does not say to not keep the sabbath holy. The book of Acts tells us that the early church kept the sabbath. The New Testament nowhere states that God took His blessing away from the sabbath.

A question for all:~Is the 7th day still blessed, Yes or No? Is there a text anywhere in the Bible that says sunday is blessed, Yes or No?

 

[Stephen63]

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Sometimes I get tickled when I hear people being so adamant about their Sabbath. They're so dogmatic as to their claims of being right while the rest of the world is wrong. Yet the majority of them are wrong. Let me explain:
1. the Jewish calendar does not line up with the Roman calendar. So unless you using the Jewish calendar, you worshiping on the wrong day.
2. According to the Old Testament, if you travel over a certain distance on the Sabbath day, you have broken it. Most people do that when they drive to church....lol!
3. How many Saturday churchgoers go out to eat after church? You're then promoting others breaking of the Sabbath....... not to mention driving over that distance again!
4. If you have any special event after church...... a church dinner perhaps....... those workers are breaking the Sabbath!

 

[homwardbound]

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oh will you ever stop with the ill-informed propaganda.
stop with the mythologies.

you start off saying nothing in legalism...then accuse 2000 years of christians of being paganized....darn those antisemitic gentiles who budged into the jewish church, eh.....ugh.

saturday sabbath is not commanded ANYWHERE in NT scripture....try as hard as you wish.

your rabbi will make all kinds of assertions. i saw your ism site...lol
if you like shadows, thats your choice

Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Zone whether oyu are right or wrong, you just continue to bash, you back off for a littlewhile then right back at it again, please think Sister please

 

[homwardbound]

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The New Testament does not tell us to keep the first day of the week holy as the sabbath. The New Testament does not say to not keep the sabbath holy. The book of Acts tells us that the early church kept the sabbath. The New Testament nowhere states that God took His blessing away from the sabbath.

A question for all:~Is the 7th day still blessed, Yes or No? Is there a text anywhere in the Bible that says sunday is blessed, Yes or No?

The only thing I can give you is this and I observe today as every day alike and give God thanks
[h=3]Romans 14:1-13[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

[h=3]The Law of Liberty[/h]14 Receive one who is weak in the faith, but not to disputes over doubtful things. [SUP]2 [/SUP]For one believes he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats only vegetables. [SUP]3 [/SUP]Let not him who eats despise him who does not eat, and let not him who does not eat judge him who eats; for God has received him. [SUP]4 [/SUP]Who are you to judge another’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. [SUP]6 [/SUP]He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks. [SUP]7 [/SUP]For none of us lives to himself, and no one dies to himself. [SUP]8 [/SUP]For if we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. Therefore, whether we live or die, we are the Lord’s. [SUP]9 [/SUP]For to this end Christ died and rose and lived again, that He might be Lord of both the dead and the living. [SUP]10 [/SUP]But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you show contempt for your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. [SUP]11 [/SUP]For it is written:
“As I live, says the Lord,
Every knee shall bow to Me,
And every tongue shall confess to God.”

[SUP]12 [/SUP]So then each of us shall give account of himself to God. [SUP]13 [/SUP]Therefore let us not judge one another anymore, but rather resolve this, not to put a stumbling block or a cause to fall in our brother’s way.

 

[homwardbound]

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Sometimes I get tickled when I hear people being so adamant about their Sabbath. They're so dogmatic as to their claims of being right while the rest of the world is wrong. Yet the majority of them are wrong. Let me explain:
1. the Jewish calendar does not line up with the Roman calendar. So unless you using the Jewish calendar, you worshiping on the wrong day.
2. According to the Old Testament, if you travel over a certain distance on the Sabbath day, you have broken it. Most people do that when they drive to church....lol!
3. How many Saturday churchgoers go out to eat after church? You're then promoting others breaking of the Sabbath....... not to mention driving over that distance again!
4. If you have any special event after church...... a church dinner perhaps....... those workers are breaking the Sabbath!

so putting ourselves under lawis the same as outting ourselves under a curse, being that the flesh is weak and so we are to die to Law and come alive to Christ in the Spirit of yes?

 

[ChezzMom]

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Why do we quarrel among us as if this is pleasing to God. Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. Each to their own. On that day an hour when we see Jesus face to face... Matthew 7:22-23. In the end and at that time we will know where we ALL stand with our Savior. Who was right, who was wrong, who had right intentions, who had wrong intentions. Its really simple! Please keep in mind people are held accountable for what they know, not what they don't know. I.E. Babes in Christ. Love them into the Kingdom. Lets all be examples of Christ! God Bless!

 

[Atwood]

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The book of Acts tells us that the early church kept the sabbath.

Now let's see the proof for that one.

 

[pastac]

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see new Sabbath post???

 

[sparkman]

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The Ten Commandments are a summary of the Old Covenant
Exodus 34:28 “So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights. He neither ate bread nor drank water. And he wrote on the tablets the word of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.
Exodus 31:18 “And he gave to Moses when he had finished speaking with him on Mount Sinai, the two tablets of the testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.
Deut 4:13 “And he declared to you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, that is, the Ten Commandments, and he wrote them on two tablets of stone”.
Deut 9:9 “When I went up the mountain to receive the tablets of stone, the tablets of the covenant that the Lord made with you.”
Deut 9:11 “And at the end of forty days and forty nights the Lord gave me the two tablets of stone, the tablets of the covenant.”
The Old Covenant was an agreement between God and Israel, not God and Christians
Ex 31:12-17 And the Lord said to Moses, “You are to speak to the people of Israel and say, ‘Above all you shall keep my Sabbaths, for this is a sign between me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I, the Lord, sanctify you. You shall keep the Sabbath, because it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall be put to death. Whoever does any work on it, that soul shall be cut off from among his people. Six days shall work be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day shall be put to death. Therefore the people of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, observing the Sabbath throughout their generations, as a covenant forever. It is a sign forever between me and the people of Israel that in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested and was refreshed.”
The Old Covenant is no longer in effect for ANYONE
Heb 8:13-9:4 In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away. Now even the first covenant had regulations for worship and an earthly place of holiness. For a tent was prepared, the first section, in which were the lampstand and the table, and the bread of the Presence. It is called the Holy Place. Behind the second curtain was a second section called the Most Holy Place, having the golden altar of incense and the ark of the covenant covered on all sides with gold, in which was a golden urn holding the manna, and Aaron’s staff that budded, and the tablets of the covenant.
Gal 3:17 This is what I mean: the law, which came 430 years afterwards, does not annul a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to make the promise void.
Gal 3:19 Why then the law? It was added because of transgressions, until the offspring should come to whom the promise had been made, and it was put in place through angels by an intermediary.
Gal 3:24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith
Gal 3:25 But now that faith is come, we are no longer under a guardian
2 Cor 3:4-18 Such is the confidence that we have through Christ toward God. Not that we are sufficient in ourselves to claim anything as coming from us, but our sufficiency is from God, who has made us sufficient to be ministers of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit. For the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. Now if the ministry of death, carved in letters on stone, came with such glory that the Israelites could not gaze at Moses’ face because of its glory, which was being brought to an end, will not the ministry of the Spirit have even much more glory? For if there was glory in the ministry of condemnation, the ministry of righteousness must far exceed it in glory. Indeed, in this case, what once had glory has come to have no glory at all, because of the glory that surpasses it. For if what was being brought to an end came with glory, much more will what is permanent have glory. Since we have such a hope, we are very bold, not like Moses, who would put a veil over his face so that the Israelites might not gaze at the outcome of what was being brought to an end. But their minds were hardened. For to this day, when they read the old covenant, that same veil remains unlifted, because only through Christ is it taken away. Yes, to this day whenever Moses is read a veil lies over their hearts. But when one turns to the Lord, the veil is removed. Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. And we all with unveiled face, beholding the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from one degree of glory to another. For this comes from the Lord who is the Spirit.
The Sabbath, as part of the Old Covenant, is not in affect for ANYONE
Gal 4:10 You observe days and months and seasons and years! I am afraid I may have labored over you in vain.
Rom 14:5-6 One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind.
Col 2:16-17 Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ
Jesus is our Sabbath or spiritual rest, and we enter into that spiritual rest by placing our faith in Him
Matt 11:28-30 Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and lean from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.
Heb 4:1-8 Therefore, while the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us fear lest any of you should seem to have failed to reach it. For good news came to us just as to them, but the message they heard did not benefit them, because they were not united by faith with those who listened. For we who have believed enter that rest, as he has said, “As I swore in my wrath, They shall not enter my rest. “ although his works were finished from the foundation of the world. For he has somewhere spoken of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all his works.” And again in this passage he said, “They shall not enter my rest.”. Since therefore it remains for some to enter it, and those who formerly received the good news failed to enter because of disobedience, again he appoints a certain day, “Today”, saying through David so long afterward, in the words already quoted. “Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts.” For if Joshua had not given them rest, God would not have spoken of another day later on. So then there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God, for whoever has entered God’s rest has also rested from is works as God did from his. Let us therefore strive to enter that rest, so that no one may fall by the same sort of disobedience.
Christians are under the New Covenant, which has much higher demands and different commandments
Luke 22:20 And likewise the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup that is poured out for you is the new covenant in my blood.”
Heb 9:15 Therefore, he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.
Jn 13:34 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another.
Jn 15:12 This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you.
Jn 15:17 These things I command you, so that you will love one another
Rom 13:10 Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
I am a former Sabbathkeeper due to my association as a new believer with Worldwide Church of God (now called Grace Communion International). Worldwide Church of God came to realize in 1995 that Christians are under the New Covenant, and not the Old Covenant, and the Sabbath does not apply to Christians under the New Covenant. It was a sign of the Old Covenant (like baptism and the Lord’s Supper are signs of the New Covenant), and is not a moral absolute like Sabbathkeepers claim. Sabbathkeeping doctrine invariably takes the focus off the true gospel, which is about Jesus Christ and salvation by grace through faith in Him (Eph 2:8-9). As a Sabbathkeeper, I rarely heard messages about God’s grace and love; the message of such organizations invariably focuses on the Sabbath. Jesus Christ was also placed on the backburner and was not the focus of their teaching. If you would like good sources of information in regards to the Sabbath check out Grace Communion International’s website at https://www.gci.org/law I now attend an Evangelical Free church that focuses on Jesus Christ and salvation through Him, which is the true gospel.