POPE FRANCIS SAYS ATHEISTS WHO DO GOOD ARE REDEEMED, NOT JUST CATHOLICS

[Graybeard]

according to a report from Vatican Radio.....

Pope Francis rocked some religious and atheist minds today when he declared that everyone was redeemed through Jesus, including atheists. During his homily at Wednesday Mass in Rome, Francis emphasized the importance of “doing good” as a principle that unites all humanity, and a “culture of encounter”to support peace. Using scripture from the Gospel of Mark, Pope Francis explained how upset Jesus’ disciples were that someone outside their group was doing good, according to a report from Vatican Radio. “They complain,” the Pope said in his homily, because they say, “If he is not one of us, he cannot do good. If he is not of our party, he cannot do good.” And Jesus corrects them: “Do not hinder him, he says, let him do good.”

see rest of report here

See how the Pope has twisted Scripture...it appears this is the part that he has based his story on....

Mar 9:38 Now John answered Him, saying, "Teacher, we saw someone who does not follow us casting out demons in Your name, and we forbade him because he does not follow us."
Mar 9:39 But Jesus said, "Do not forbid him, for no one who works a miracle in My name can soon afterward speak evil of Me.
Mar 9:40 For he who is not against us is on our side.

Interesting to see comments from Catholics what they have to say to this.

 

[Georgiana]

according to a report from Vatican Radio.....

Pope Francis rocked some religious and atheist minds today when he declared that everyone was redeemed through Jesus, including atheists. During his homily at Wednesday Mass in Rome, Francis emphasized the importance of “doing good” as a principle that unites all humanity, and a “culture of encounter”to support peace. Using scripture from the Gospel of Mark, Pope Francis explained how upset Jesus’ disciples were that someone outside their group was doing good, according to a report from Vatican Radio. “They complain,” the Pope said in his homily, because they say, “If he is not one of us, he cannot do good. If he is not of our party, he cannot do good.” And Jesus corrects them: “Do not hinder him, he says, let him do good.”

see rest of report here

See how the Pope has twisted Scripture...it appears this is the part that he has based his story on....

Mar 9:38 Now John answered Him, saying, "Teacher, we saw someone who does not follow us casting out demons in Your name, and we forbade him because he does not follow us."
Mar 9:39 But Jesus said, "Do not forbid him, for no one who works a miracle in My name can soon afterward speak evil of Me.
Mar 9:40 For he who is not against us is on our side.

Interesting to see comments from Catholics what they have to say to this.

I don't really see where the Pope actually said that. To say "doing good unites all humanity is not the same as saying all men will be redeemed through Christ. That appears to be the radio broadcaster's interpretation of what the Pope said. The Pope did seem to change that scripture though. There's a big difference between doing a miracle in Jesus' name and in supposedly just "doing good".

 

[mwc68]

Awsesome, another thread against Catholics! NOT!

 

[maxwel]

I don't really see where the Pope actually said that. To say "doing good unites all humanity is not the same as saying all men will be redeemed through Christ. That appears to be the radio broadcaster's interpretation of what the Pope said. The Pope did seem to change that scripture though. There's a big difference between doing a miracle in Jesus' name and in supposedly just "doing good".

Georgiana,
I'm with you on this one.

If the Pope actually said that, then fine, we can discuss, debate, whatever.

But it doesn't look like that's what he said.

I'm not a fan of the Pope... but I do think we should stick to the facts.


Oh... If he DID say this stuff somewhere else, and just not in the quoted article, then the original source needs to quoted and shown here in the thread.

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

it sounds like francis had what theologians call 'objective justification' in mind when he used the word 'redeemed'...in other words...jesus died for the sins of the whole world...including those who do not believe...

i doubt he was referring to 'subjective justification'...that is who actually receives salvation...

i will say though that i don't agree with francis' interpretation of that scripture...and his comments about atheists doing good seem out of touch with what atheists are actually doing in society...something the previous pope seemed better aware of...

 

[know1]

I don't have anything against Catholics and I try not to offend, and because I don't have anything positive to say concerning the words of the Pope, for the sake of those who follow him, I won't say anything against the man at this time. Many Catholics are children of God too. We all need to put love above the truth if it destroys the weak in faith.

 

[Stephen63]

Google "pope francis atheists redeemed" and see what you'll find.

 

[Maynard]

Hi people. Don't buy into the secular media's take on this.

Pope Francis is not saying, as the secular media would have you think, that an atheist is saved even though they reject God. He is saying that through doing good works then we all come to a greater understanding of God, be they atheists or believers, which in turn leads them to God and to know and accept Christ's salvation. He is saying that in doing good then we can all find a common ground. That 'good works' are a great place to start for humanity in putting away those petty arguments and divisions which have given rise to so much conflict between believers and non-believers alike throughout history.

"Even them, everyone, we all have the duty to do good." Pope Francis said.
"Just do good" was his challenge, "and we'll find a meeting point."

He said that Christ gave himself as a ransom for ALL, and that by doing good then a person is moving towards God, and that we should not cut people off just because they are not 'one of us'.

"..the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a ransom for ALL people."
1 Timothy 2:5-6

Christ died for all, and Christ is there for everyone to accept as Lord. Good works leads one on that path.

Here is a good article about the Pope's homily. Do read it - Pope Francis says atheists....

God bless,

Maynard

 

[know1]

Hi people. Don't buy into the secular media's take on this.

"Even them, everyone, we all have the duty to do good." Pope Francis said.
"Just do good" was his challenge, "and we'll find a meeting point."

He said that Christ gave himself as a ransom for ALL, and that by doing good then a person is moving towards God, and that we should not cut people off just because they are not 'one of us'.

"..the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a ransom for ALL people."
1 Timothy 2:5-6

Christ died for all, and Christ is there for everyone to accept as Lord. Good works leads one on that path.

On Wednesday he declared that all people, not just Catholics, are redeemed through Jesus, even atheists.
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My understanding is that only those who believe on the name of Jesus are redeemed. How then can an atheist that denies the existence of God be redeemed?

 

[oOfallen_angelOo]

Atheist are redeemed through the blood of Jesus Christ?

They don't even believe in Jesus to receive his blood.

Unless you receive the blood of Jesus, you cannot inherit eternal life according to John 6:53 and Eph 1:7.

The Bible testifies that even those who claim to be Christians or believe in God, many will be turned away on the Last day; so then, how is it that an atheist or non - believer gets a free pass to salvation?

If this Pope is truly a man of God, he cannot use .2% of the Bible to twist to his own PHILOSOPHIES, and ignore the other 99.8% of the Bible that dictates OTHERWISE.

Seems pretty anti - God to say that you don't even have to believe in God to go to heaven. Yeah, I'm calling major BS on that one.

Do not be deceived by the fine sounding argument of men, by their hollow philosophies; there are NO free passes to heaven, and if you do not even believe there is a God, what good is redemption to you anyway?

 

[oOfallen_angelOo]

Hi people. Don't buy into the secular media's take on this.

Pope Francis is not saying, as the secular media would have you think, that an atheist is saved even though they reject God. He is saying that through doing good works then we all come to a greater understanding of God, be they atheists or believers, which in turn leads them to God and to know and accept Christ's salvation. He is saying that in doing good then we can all find a common ground. That 'good works' are a great place to start for humanity in putting away those petty arguments and divisions which have given rise to so much conflict between believers and non-believers alike throughout history.

"Even them, everyone, we all have the duty to do good." Pope Francis said.
"Just do good" was his challenge, "and we'll find a meeting point."

He said that Christ gave himself as a ransom for ALL, and that by doing good then a person is moving towards God, and that we should not cut people off just because they are not 'one of us'.

"..the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a ransom for ALL people."
1 Timothy 2:5-6

Christ died for all, and Christ is there for everyone to accept as Lord. Good works leads one on that path.

Here is a good article about the Pope's homily. Do read it - Pope Francis says atheists....

God bless,

Maynard

Lol no matter how many good deeds one person does, God will always divide who we really are.

An atheist and a theist will NEVER have common ground in Christ, because on the spiritual battlefied, we are already on opposite sides.

Christianity...when you believe, you claim that God is truth; an atheist claims the exact opposite. What common ground will bring us together? You cannot force an atheist to believe, but the philosophies of atheist can really stamp down one's faith.

This Pope's teaching is really telling Christians to walk the fine line between rebuking our salvation; for everyone knows the fate of non - believers.

That is why the Bible inquires that we have no relation or likeness with darkness and those of the darkness ( the absence of God,) there is no common ground and this will forever divide us.

Your moral acts according to mankind will not save you; what is right by the eyes of men, isn't necessarily right in the eyes of God.

There are many non - believers, atheist and pagan worshipers who are amazing people, doing great deeds for humanity; but in God's eyes, they aren't righteous, and that is what it ultimately boils down to.

Perhaps a non - believer can come to accept Jesus Christ by the righteous acts of God's saints; but in this wicked generation, even the Christians are divided amongst themselves.

How can we save a non - believer, when we can't even save ourselves.

 

[Maynard]

Pope says Christians must recognize good others do, work with them

VATICAN CITY (CNS) -- Christians are called to welcome and cooperate with the good accomplished by members of other religions or no religion at all, promoting a culture of dialogue and peace, Pope Francis said.

"We are all children of God -- all of us. And God loves us -- all of us," the pope said in his homily May 22 during an early morning Mass in the chapel of the Domus Sanctae Marthae.

Pope Francis' homily focused on the day's Gospel story from Mark 9:38-40, which recounts the disciples complaining to Jesus about outsiders casting out demons in Jesus' name and Jesus telling the disciples, "Whoever is not against us is for us."

The pope said that by saying, "If he's not one of us, he cannot do good; if he's not in our party, he can't do good," the disciples were "a bit intolerant, closed in the idea of possessing the truth, in the conviction that 'all those who do not have the truth cannot do good.'"

However, the pope said, "the possibility of doing good is something we all have" as individuals created in the image and likeness of God.

All people are called to do good and not evil, the pope said. Some would object, "'but, Father, he isn't Catholic so he can't do good.' Yes, he can. He must."

The idea that others cannot really be good and do good in the world creates "a wall that leads to war and to something that historically some people have thought: that we can kill in the name of God. And that, simply, is blasphemy. To say that one can kill in God's name is blasphemy."

"The Lord has redeemed us all with the blood of Christ, all of us, not just Catholics. Everyone," he said. Some may ask, "'Father, even the atheists?' Them, too. Everyone."

The commandment to do good and avoid evil is something that binds all human beings, he said, and it is "a beautiful path to peace."

Noticing the good others do, affirming them and working with them promotes an encounter that is good for individuals and societies, he said. "Little by little we build that culture of encounter that we need so much."

Someone can object, "'But I don't believe, Father, I'm an atheist.' But do good and we'll meet there," he said.

Noting that May 22 was the feast of St. Rita of Cascia, sometimes called the saint of impossible causes, the pope asked the small congregation to pray for "this grace that everyone, all persons would do good and that we would encounter each other in this work."


Oh my. What a terrible message. Let the Pope bashing continue.
As you were....

 

[ahmad97]

The only way to the father is through JESUS . Believe me when I say that the new pope is nowhere from finish on his agenda.
No offense to the catholic church , But even a baby Christian should know that you can only have salvation through Jesus. Also the term meeting point sounds more like being lukewarm. He also said and I quote "But do good: we will meet one another THERE," he promised . Anyone care to elaborate on what he meant when he said THERE?

 

[Maynard]

The only way to the father is through JESUS . Believe me when I say that the new pope is nowhere from finish on his agenda.
No offense to the catholic church , But even a baby Christian should know that you can only have salvation through Jesus. Also the term meeting point sounds more like being lukewarm. He also said and I quote "But do good: we will meet one another THERE," he promised . Anyone care to elaborate on what he meant when he said THERE?

Oh my.

"THERE", meaning a common ground. That no matter what one believes then the one thing that all of mankind MUST have in common is doing GOOD. That regardless of belief, be you a Christian or an atheist, we all MUST do GOOD in the world.

He's not talking about meeting atheists in Heaven. He's talking about here on earth, that we all - being created in God's image - MUST do good!

 

[Tethered]

So wait, no-one cares if I do good or not except the Pope?

 

[Temple-C]

Isaiah 64:6

For all of us have become like one who is unclean, And all our righteous deeds are like a filthy garment; And all of us wither like a leaf, And our iniquities, like the wind, take us away.

 

[mwc68]

So wait, no-one cares if I do good or not except the Pope?

apparently the Pope is on your side, not the self righteous Christians here

 

[Temple-C]

Romans 3:20
Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God's sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.

 

[KJVBIBLECATOWNER]

according to a report from Vatican Radio.....

Pope Francis rocked some religious and atheist minds today when he declared that everyone was redeemed through Jesus, including atheists. During his homily at Wednesday Mass in Rome, Francis emphasized the importance of “doing good” as a principle that unites all humanity, and a “culture of encounter”to support peace. Using scripture from the Gospel of Mark, Pope Francis explained how upset Jesus’ disciples were that someone outside their group was doing good, according to a report from Vatican Radio. “They complain,” the Pope said in his homily, because they say, “If he is not one of us, he cannot do good. If he is not of our party, he cannot do good.” And Jesus corrects them: “Do not hinder him, he says, let him do good.”

see rest of report here

See how the Pope has twisted Scripture...it appears this is the part that he has based his story on....

Mar 9:38 Now John answered Him, saying, "Teacher, we saw someone who does not follow us casting out demons in Your name, and we forbade him because he does not follow us."
Mar 9:39 But Jesus said, "Do not forbid him, for no one who works a miracle in My name can soon afterward speak evil of Me.
Mar 9:40 For he who is not against us is on our side.

Interesting to see comments from Catholics what they have to say to this.

Good work, thanks for having the guts through JESUS to stand up against this anti - christ. AMEN

 

[loveme1]

Psalm 118

O give thanks unto the LORD; for he is good: because his mercy endureth for ever.2Let Israel now say, that his mercy endureth for ever.3Let the house of Aaron now say, that his mercy endureth for ever.4Let them now that fear the LORD say, that his mercy endureth for ever.5I called upon the LORD in distress: the LORD answered me, and set me in a large place.6The LORD is on my side; I will not fear: what can man do unto me?7The LORD taketh my part with them that help me: therefore shall I see my desire upon them that hate me.8It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man.9It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in princes.10All nations compassed me about: but in the name of the LORD will I destroy them.11They compassed me about; yea, they compassed me about: but in the name of the LORD I will destroy them.12They compassed me about like bees; they are quenched as the fire of thorns: for in the name of the LORD I will destroy them.13Thou hast thrust sore at me that I might fall: but the LORD helped me.14The LORD is my strength and song, and is become my salvation.15The voice of rejoicing and salvation is in the tabernacles of the righteous: the right hand of the LORD doeth valiantly.16The right hand of the LORD is exalted: the right hand of the LORD doeth valiantly.17I shall not die, but live, and declare the works of the LORD.18The LORD hath chastened me sore: but he hath not given me over unto death.19Open to me the gates of righteousness: I will go into them, and I will praise the LORD:20This gate of the LORD, into which the righteous shall enter.21I will praise thee: for thou hast heard me, and art become my salvation.22The stone which the builders refused is become the head stone of the corner.23This is the LORD'S doing; it is marvellous in our eyes.24This is the day which the LORD hath made; we will rejoice and be glad in it.25Save now, I beseech thee, O LORD: O LORD, I beseech thee, send now prosperity.26Blessed be he that cometh in the name of the LORD: we have blessed you out of the house of the LORD.27God is the LORD, which hath shewed us light: bind the sacrifice with cords, even unto the horns of the altar.28Thou art my God, and I will praise thee: thou art my God, I will exalt thee.29O give thanks unto the LORD; for he is good: for his mercy endureth for ever.

Glory to the Almighty God.