What is Proper Godly Authority? And What is Wickedly Used Authority?

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Proverbs 29:2 “When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn.”


In this world we are all very divided concerning authority because we have experienced so much of it's implementation over us through ones having a wicked heart. It is therefore quite easy to begin to feel like we cannot trust any man or woman in a position of authority these days.


And we can clearly see the effect upon the morals of the peoples over whom wicked ones rule as many blindly follow after the attitudes of those in authority over them as Hitler's soldiers did.


What really constitutes a wicked person? Does it require that a person be all bad? No it does not. All it requires is that they believe in their own way and opinions over God's ways and opinions, even if doing so unknown to themselves. For it is easy to believe we love God. But as Jesus told us, it is only the one who keeps his commandments that really does love him.

Therefore I hope that what everyone is trying to do is to become sure of what God commands of them.

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Look around us in the world, at what a mess it is. We see right now dominating the news a messed up young girl by the name of Jodi Arias who for lack of the pure knowledge of God grew to commit a monstrous act.

And we see the response of a system of justice and a news media run by men who separate themselves from any responsibility for how such a child comes to be so messed up, using the situation only to say how much better they are than Jodi Arias, giving out opinions loudly and boisterously to condemn that child to death in a way that says, "Hey, I am right and if you do not agree with me you are a dog!"

Yet, none of them, not even that prosecutor, even care how God views the situation. They may claim to care, but they do so in a way that dictates to God how he cares, rather than searching for God's true mind which he gave us by His righteousness that is in Christ Jesus. And that is what wicked rule is.

To be sure, 1 Corinthians 2:16 "For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ." And as Christ is God's righteousness, Christ's mind is how we are to search for and know God's opinions on matters.

I have often wondered during the course of that Jodi Arias trial how those of us here on CC feel about that case. Are we on the same bandwagon as that prosecutor and so many of these boisterous news media reporters?
 
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know1

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I don't know what is proper, but I would say that the short of it would be one who walks in the Spirit and in love would come close to proper. In other words, one who seeks to help others and to please God.
A wicked person tends to use vises for personal gain, in whatever form that may encompass. Generally, it involves controlling others rather than helping.
 
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I don't know what is proper, but I would say that the short of it would be one who walks in the Spirit and in love would come close to proper. In other words, one who seeks to help others and to please God.
A wicked person tends to use vises for personal gain, in whatever form that may encompass. Generally, it involves controlling others rather than helping.
Yes, that is how the wicked man freely allows his flesh to dominate his spirit, rather than the other way around. We can thus gauge our portion of wickedness by how much in our life we allow ourselves to do for what is actually harmful personal gain, if not directly harmful to ourselves then to others. Or, even indirectly so.

For all that is a failure to keep on guard according to God's word. All of those moments are moments we have not put God first in our life and have thus become our own idol.

the short of proper would be one who walks in the Spirit and in love would come close to proper. In other words, one who seeks to help others and to please God. Yes.

What are some practical examples of that in play?
 
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know1

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Yes, that is how the wicked man freely allows his flesh to dominate his spirit, rather than the other way around.
I'm not convinced that it's always the flesh that is to blame for all the bad that we do. The flesh truly does have desires of its own, but I believe that there are other forces around and even in us that can influence our thoughts, desires, and motives, if we allow it.
 
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I'm not convinced that it's always the flesh that is to blame for all the bad that we do. The flesh truly does have desires of its own, but I believe that there are other forces around and even in us that can influence our thoughts, desires, and motives, if we allow it.
Actually, that is not quite true. You see the flesh does no thinking for itself. That is why Paul translates that sway of the flesh calling it the carnal mind. Romans 8:7 "Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be."

Paul speaks to the Corinthians about their carnal minds, asking them, 1 Corinthians 3:3 "For ye are yet carnal [minded]: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal [minded], and walk as men?

Learn to always think of being fleshly or carnal as being carnal minded, as Paul thought of it.

Then you can understand that it is a man's spirit which controls a man's man's mind: Ephesians 4:23 "And be renewed in the spirit of your mind.."

For it is a corrupted spirit, or, a spirit weakened of it's own corruption through being disconnected from God, that is the force causing that carnal mind to exist.

And it is indeed "always the flesh [or, carnal mind] that is to blame."
 

starfield

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I believe proper godly authority is one where the individual does not abuse their authority. For instance with the authoritative position of pastorship, they lead the flock with humility and compassion, seek to maintain a spiritually healthy church, and guard their heart to not allow pride and bitterness to set in. Also, they allow members to exercise their godly gifts within the church according to God's will. Ministers are working for the Head of the church, Jesus Christ, so their goal is to do what pleases the Him.
1 Tim 3:2,13 (KJV)
2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

13 For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus.
 

notuptome

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Well if we look at the context of Proverbs and view the history of Israel we can get a pretty good idea of what is being said. When the government in Israel, the kings, were faithful to God and the priests were faithful to God the land was blessed and prospered. There was peace in the land. When the king forsook the word of God and the priests became apostate God lifted His blessing and tribulation and strife replace blessing and abundance.
Godly authority is not so much individual as corporate in the context of the verse. Individual Godly authority in the church is a different matter altogether.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

pickles

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What is Godly, or what is wicked?
Its simple really.

Godly? = All done and sought for the glory of God!!! :)

Wicked? = All done and sought for ones own glory. :(

God bless
pickles