Is heaven on a planet in the physical or spirit world?

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I was just pondering about a video I saw years ago of a man that went to heaven, and when Paul was caught up to the third heaven. Was it a physical world or spiritual.
The man on the video was Jesse Duplantis. He's the one I called a liar within myself when God yelled at me. Anyway, he said that it was a planet.
I was just thinking that Heaven might be a planet in the spirit world rather than a physical one. And if that be the case, then there could be even more worlds or even galaxies other than the ones we see through telescopes.
Any thoughts?
 
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If anyone knows, it is the Lord Jesus Christ. I think it's best to leave what we don't know and He does, up to Him. :)
 
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probably not...i think heaven isn't in our 'universe'...it is probably beyond our human understanding of location...
 
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I believe it is not a matter of distance but a matter of 'pulling back the veil' of this world.
Steven looked up and saw the heavens open and the Son of man standing. Millions of miles in space would never do.
In short another dimension than our own.

But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.
(Act 7:55-56)
 
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Heaven is now, it's this world, and it's not eternal. The gift of life is yours to use the way you want. That's what I believe anyway and I don't see a problem with loving this life I have.
 
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crossnote said:
I believe it is not a matter of distance but a matter of 'pulling back the veil' of this world.
Steven looked up and saw the heavens open and the Son of man standing. Millions of miles in space would never do.
In short another dimension than our own.

But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.
(Act 7:55-56)
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Though it doesn't say that it was a vision, doesn't mean that it couldn't have been one.
Psa_48:2 Beautiful for situation, the joy of the whole earth, is mount Zion, on the sides of the north, the city of the great King.
Isa_14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
What's your take on these verses? It appears to be pointing in a certain direction rather than pulling back the veil.
 
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jmlidea said:
Heaven is now, it's this world, and it's not eternal. The gift of life is yours to use the way you want. That's what I believe anyway and I don't see a problem with loving this life I have.
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Okay, lets say you just died and went to heaven. Where did you go? Did you did you stay here on earth, I'll assume you are a child of God going to heaven, or somewhere else? Did you go to a physical world or spiritual one?
 
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I was just pondering about a video I saw years ago of a man that went to heaven, and when Paul was caught up to the third heaven. Was it a physical world or spiritual.
The man on the video was Jesse Duplantis. He's the one I called a liar within myself when God yelled at me. Anyway, he said that it was a planet.
I was just thinking that Heaven might be a planet in the spirit world rather than a physical one. And if that be the case, then there could be even more worlds or even galaxies other than the ones we see through telescopes.
Any thoughts?
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Almost all of this universal bodies i.e. planets are of the spherical shape, that it is more plausible that the third spiritual heaven has planets also and when The Eternal Logos creator Jesus spoke into this universe that which He referenced all that He intended with what was in the third Spiritual Heaven planets of spherical shape. Now the city is described as a perfect 1500 mile square. So their are similarities that Paul wrote In Romans that everything in this heaven i.e. physical universe came as a replica of that which was first in the spiritual heaven of God's dwelling, shapes planets animals color etc.
 
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know1 said:
Though it doesn't say that it was a vision, doesn't mean that it couldn't have been one.
Psa_48:2 Beautiful for situation, the joy of the whole earth, is mount Zion, on the sides of the north, the city of the great King.
Isa_14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
What's your take on these verses? It appears to be pointing in a certain direction rather than pulling back the veil.
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'Up' usually refers to superior position otherwise when we 'look up' will China be looking down?
The Isa verse as I understand it is taking place in heaven already as Lucifer is being exposed. That one would be for you to explain.
Also Jesus passed through a stone and a wall or two with His resurrected body and may have passed through this creation into heaven.
Remember, I stated in my first post ''I believe'' i.e. my opinion but also gave a scripture in support.
 
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AgapeSpiritEyes said:
Almost all of this universal bodies i.e. planets are of the spherical shape, that it is more plausible that the third spiritual heaven has planets also and when The Eternal Logos creator Jesus spoke into this universe that which He referenced all that He intended with what was in the third Spiritual Heaven planets of spherical shape. Now the city is described as a perfect 1500 mile square. So their are similarities that Paul wrote In Romans that everything in this heaven i.e. physical universe came as a replica of that which was first in the spiritual heaven of God's dwelling, shapes planets animals color etc.
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Jesse did sound a little disappointed when he said that it looked a lot like earth.
 
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'Up' usually refers to superior position otherwise when we 'look up' will China be looking down?
The Isa verse as I understand it is taking place in heaven already as Lucifer is being exposed. That one would be for you to explain.
Also Jesus passed through a stone and a wall or two with His resurrected body and may have passed through this creation into heaven.
Remember, I stated in my first post ''I believe'' i.e. my opinion but also gave a scripture in support.
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I'm not here to fry anyone sir. Nor was I finding fault with what you wrote. Like I said, I was just thinking about this subject, and mentioned it out of curiosity.
I understand the inference of superiority when told to look up, but why to the sides of the north?
 
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I'm not here to fry anyone sir. Nor was I finding fault with what you wrote. Like I said, I was just thinking about this subject, and mentioned it out of curiosity.
I understand the inference of superiority when told to look up, but why to the sides of the north?
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OK, my turn to ask you a question; since you are using 'the sides of the north'...
How many sides does the North have?
 
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i couldnt help noticing that you skipped a heaven.....the first heaven is our atmosphere. the second heaven is our solar system. the third heaven is our galaxy and the heaven of the heavens is in a seperate place from the material universe because the heavens are physical. it is the heaven of the heavens that is the spiritual realm.
 
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OK, my turn to ask you since you are using 'the sides of the north'.
How many sides does the North have?
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Okay. Uuuuuuummmm... Let me see. There's WNW, NW, NNW, NNE, NE, ENE.
SIX!!!! RIGHT?!
Did I get it right?! Huh, did I?:)
Are you trying to get out of answering my question or does your question to me somehow answer the question I gave you?
Seriously though, not that it matters, but I question the direction issue, still.
 
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jerusalem said:
i couldnt help noticing that you skipped a heaven.....the first heaven is our atmosphere. the second heaven is our solar system. the third heaven is our galaxy and the heaven of the heavens is in a seperate place from the material universe because the heavens are physical. it is the heaven of the heavens that is the spiritual realm.
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Thank you for noting that. I have a tendency to assume a lot.
 
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Physical beings live in the physical world, and spiritual beings live in a spiritual world...called heaven. Thats y this current body will have to be transformed.
 
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Okay. Uuuuuuummmm... Let me see. There's WNW, NW, NNW, NNE, NE, ENE.
SIX!!!! RIGHT?!
Did I get it right?! Huh, did I?:)
Are you trying to get out of answering my question or does your question to me somehow answer the question I gave you?
Seriously though, not that it matters, but I question the direction issue, still.
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Why are you trying then to turn my original post #4 of 'I believe' (my opinion) into a debate? You kept asking so I felt it fair to ask you 'how many sides does' north have? You come back with a snide answer and act like I am dodging. You are the one dodging. North is North. It is not NW, or NE or NWE etc. Perhaps you should study the difference between Hebrew poetry and Greek analytical thought 'cause methinks you are confused on that issue.
 
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We will live in the new heavens and the new earth in glorified resurrected bodies if we are saved.
 
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Physical beings live in the physical world, and spiritual beings live in a spiritual world...called heaven. Thats y this current body will have to be transformed.
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Good point sir.
 
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Why are you trying then to turn my original post #4 of 'I believe' (my opinion) into a debate? You kept asking so I felt it fair to ask you 'how many sides does' north have? You come back with a snide answer and act like I am dodging. You are the one dodging. North is North. It is not NW, or NE or NWE etc. Perhaps you should study the difference between Hebrew poetry and Greek analytical thought 'cause methinks you are confused on that issue.
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I apologize sir. You misread my post. I was not being snidely, merely having a little fun. I was playing around, joking. It's not my style, nor is it me to try to belittle someone. I try to show proper respect to every person I respond to.
And yes, you did say 'I believe'. I was just thinking out loud so to speak. The subject is not important and neither is arguing over it. Sorry for offending you.
 
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