the Antichrist is alive today

jameseo · Jun 1, 2013

Oh ok, you're a preterist. Makes sense on your stance about this doctrine. That's cool. I watched before Jerusalem Fell, a decent documentary about when the book of revelation was written. Made some good points. But obviously we can go back and forth on this topic and never agree. Probably best we don't waste each other's time.

You do believe Jesus is still coming back though right? That's something we can agree on, yeah?

justamazed · Jun 1, 2013

jameseo said:

You are waiting for Jesus to come and unite those under Him, but in the meantime you reject any man's attempt to do the same? This is our problem.

We all here know that we die, correct? This bible left us examples of how people lived and died under various customs and traditions over the years as examples to us who have this information. Remember the scriptures were not widespread until at least the invention of the printing press.

What has happened though IS that "rebuilding" of that "babel" you are seeking, but never realizing. We know that all these things we see before us will be dissolved and yet look at how we live towards one another?

We still view people as thieves, liars, fornicators, idolaters, blasphemers, effeminate, and murderers. Of which, no man alive will see heaven. It is because these things were destroyed when Jesus died and rose from the grave!

But what you see before you is a rebuilding of that pattern of death, which was utterly killed in Christ, living as though it had not been slain in the sons of men.

A gay man was excluded from the promises and rights of being Godly BEFORE Christ. What has changed now after His death if the gay man STILL is excluded from these promises and rights?

I say we are building again upon the principles Christ took with Him to the grave. For this we are all transgressors!

I will say as long as I am able, that there are 18 million homes empty and only 3 million homeless. 18-3 still leaves 15 MILLION homes that are STILL empty!

But there is more than hope, because I believe that He rose from the grave. And if He lives forever, and if He answers prayer, and if He holds all power in His hands, then we who believe should have then the power to change this! If millions are suffering, then surely there is persecution in the house of God.

Please, no more silly arguments in the same threads asked over and over again, for years and years an exercise in futility.

Help me Israel. Wake up and look at the world, and its abundance in that all souls can live in peace and be SATISFIED!

I may seem "cocky", like I have all the answers but I do not. I battle the same things we all do. But I do know this, that salvation is hid in Christ, who promised it to all He loves. In this we have NOTHING to fear!

jameseo · Jun 1, 2013

Christ came to bring the sword. All that matters is that we share the gospel. I too would love peace and for all of us to be merry. But, if we can't unite under Christ, then it's not of God. Not trying to argue. Just saying.

Elizabeth619 · Jun 1, 2013

jameseo said:

I'm a preterist and yes we do believe in the return of Jesus and the finak judgement. So there is something you can agree on.

doulos · Jun 1, 2013

jameseo said:

The man of sin can only be understood after one understands what/where the temple of God is. The temple of God is not some man made building but is either the body of the believer (on an individual level) per 1Cor3:16-17 and 2Cor6:16 or bodies of believers (on a corporate level) with Christ as the cornerstone per Eph2:19-21. God does not dwell in man made buildings (Acts7:48 and Acts17:24). If you would like to gain an understanding of the man of sin please read this scripturally sound STUDY <click

If you would like to gain an understanding of the beast that rises out of the sea please read this Scripturally sound Study <click

The information you are asking for is to involved to cover in a single post and the alarm will go off in 4 hours so I better get some sleep. Hope the links help. May God bless your studies!

justamazed · Jun 1, 2013

jameseo said:

I was making it a reference to all threads about the senseless debating. To unite under Christ is what I am doing as it is love that covers sin. The sword He has brought upon the earth is the words that I speak. I am fighting NOT flesh and blood, but WHATEVER in your mind that keeps these 3 million people from one of these 18 million homes. That is our enemy!

jameseo · Jun 1, 2013

Thanks doulos for those links. Going to check them out. Sleep tight!

jameseo · Jun 1, 2013

Elizabeth619 said:

That's awesome. I'm actually one of those guys that thinks they are all possible (pretib, prewrath, preterist, posttrib, midtrib, amillienial, etc), and we'll all see at the final judgment or 2nd coming. Until then, Maranatha.

doulos · Jun 1, 2013

jameseo said:

Why do you assign beliefs to others? Assuming that I am partial or full preterists is incorrct. I disagree with both partial and hyper preterism. The two most commonly taught views on eschatology in today's churches preterism (and its variations) as well as futurism (along with it's variations of pre mid or post trib) have both evolved from the heretical writings of Jesuit priests whose soul purpose was to counter the reformation. Futurism is derived from the heretical writings of Ribera and the commonly taught versions of partial preterism have derived from the writings of Jesuit priest Alcasar. While niether of these authors were the first to come up with the views they wrote about, todays commonly taught doctines can be traced back to them. These two commonly held views have a 1900+ year separation between when they think most of Rev was or will be fulfilled. On the other hand many of the reformers and much of the church before the reformation believed prophecy would unfold over hundreds or thousands of years. I am in that camp. I don't really fit in any box. I guess the best description for the view I hold might be called something like a linear historic view. May I suggest another web page so you may gain a better understandiing of the different views on CHRISTIAN ESCHATOLOGY <click
May God bless your studies!

jameseo · Jun 2, 2013

doulos said:

I assumed you were a preterist because you referred to some of what I believed as futurist. I knew that there were many views on eschatology, but I thought there were only 2 umbrellas; futurist and preterist. Forgive my ignorance. Obviously I still have a lot to learn on this subject. I don't even know what a hyper or partial preterist is. It's just really hard to study a subject when there are so many views out there. But I appreciate the links you sent me.

If anything, I'm actually a futurist, post/mid trib amillennialist (if that is possible), only because I believe there's still more to come, especially Jesus. I'm up in the air on the rapture and what will exactly happen (if it does occur). Not sure about a here on earth right now anti-christ, and Christ's millennial reign is something I haven't fully understood either. I started out at a strong dispensationalist church, I've entertained covenant theology, and have been interested in amillennialism. But all of them have too many unanswered questions. So I'm a mixture of all the major views (maybe like you). If I can't be a mixture of all of them, then I guess I'm just believer about the great commission hoping Jesus comes back soon.

I just jumped into this conversation because it always trips me out when people call rulers today the antichrist and I do believe the world is trying to unite against Christ.

Sorry for labeling you a 'preterist'.

jameseo · Jun 2, 2013

doulos said:

Hey doulos, I just got done reading that man of sin article you sent me. I can't believe how obvious it is about us being the temple of God. It still took a while for me to grasp the man of sin, simply because of how it is worded "the man of sin". But it became clear. thanks for the resource. I can't believe how much more studying I have to do...

peterT · Jun 2, 2013

doulos said:

Not a world leader ?

Here we have the man of sin an antichrist and not just a normal antichrist, he is not like the many antichrists in the world, because this one as ALL POWER with the workings of Satan with signs and lying wonders.
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Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders.

What. Do you think he is going to open a little Christian book shop in the outer suburbs or mechanical workshop on the mane street or something?

NO I think not. He is going to take advantage of the ALL POWER that he has been given. And that will make him a player on the world stage.

You say there is no antichrist in the end, but here we can see that there is, and he is not just one of the many antichrists, for this one has ALL POWER.

He is head and shoulders above all the other antichrists in the world, and I can’t imagine him taking second fiddle to anyone as he has an ego problem

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

Elizabeth619 · Jun 2, 2013

So many people believe the antichrist is here. They believe the end is right around the corner.
Yet so many if these same people have become more harsh, condescending, and unloving as the time "nears".

If I believed the end was truly near I think id be less or a jerk and more loving and obedient.
I'd be more helpful. I'd repent, and I would worry less about trying to be right all the time. Just saying.

BirdDawg · Jun 2, 2013

Rather than worrying about the end being near it is a better use of time to try to do the next right thing and carry Christ's words throughout the world. Why all the dooms day talk? Things aren't any worse now than they have been in the past. In fact they are probably better off. How are we really to know when the end is near? I'm not going to focus on spending my time thinking about that. That is up to God.

People are more aware of things now with the 24-hour news cycle. Things in the world are a heck of a lot better now than they were in WWI or WWII in terms of misery, suffering and sin.

Bentroschimi · Apr 7, 2016

jonathanbchristian said:

The tribulation spoken of in Matthew 24 is coming soon. It will happen in our lifetime. The Antichrist is alive. The world is brewing with the stench of latter day sins that Jesus prophesied. The Man of sin will be revealed to begin the seven year tribulation (the last seven of Daniel's prophecy). Signs will appear soon. The Lord is preparing to pour out His wrath. Satan will be cast down soon as foretold. The temple in Israel will be rebuilt. Look for the signs and do not be caught unaware.

Here you go Jesus cares

tanakh · Apr 7, 2016

jonathanbchristian said:

We are not supposed to be waiting for the Antichrist, but Jesus Christ. The tribulation will come when God is ready. I personally believe that the world will face a complete breakdown of the present Political and Economic order, possibly
due to a world war before the tribulation. This will bring about the ten kingdoms of Revelation. They have to appear first
because the one headed by Antichrist comes out of them. So it follows that they have to be in place before he is revealed.
This could all happen very quickly who knows? The way things are going it certainly could be within the lifetime of most people.

Ahwatukee · Apr 7, 2016

RachelBibleStudent said:

Hello Rachel,

Yes, the Bible does speak of the individual person of the Antichrist, who is referred to as "the ruler" in Daniel, from Paul as the "man of lawlessness," from John as the Antichrist and as the beast in Revelation.

"Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God."

"Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour."

"and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not of God, and this is that of the antichrist, which you heard that is coming, and now is already in the world."

"The beast I saw was like a leopard, with the feet of a bear and the mouth of a lion. And the dragon gave the beast his power and throne and great authority."

"People worshiped the dragon because he had given authority to the beast, and they also worshiped the beast and asked, “Who is like the beast? Who can wage war against him?”

"But the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who had performed the signs on his behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped his image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur."

According to scripture then, the spirit of the antichrist is anyone who deny's that Jesus is the Messiah and there are many in the world. There is also a specific person who is coming in last days who will rule over the world leading up to Christ's return to the earth to end the age. As you can see from Rev.19:20 above, when Jesus returns to the earth the beast and the false prophet will be captured and thrown alive into the lake of fire. Rev.13 states that the dragon/Satan gives the beast is power, his throne and great authority. This also demonstrates that Satan and the beast are two individual persons, along with the fact that when Christ returns, the beast and the false prophet are thrown alive into the lake of fire, while Satan is thrown into the Abyss.

So, though there are many who deny Jesus and thereby having the spirit of the antichrist, there is also one individual who is coming who will be that last day ruler known as "the antichrist."

peping · Apr 7, 2016

The Bible speaks of the antichrist in Mt24 and in verse 15 it says "Therefore when you see the abomination that causes devastation spoken about through the prophet Daniel standing in the holy place (let the reader understand)". Referring particularly to Dan 11:31. The holy place referred here was the Holy of holies. The first desecration was done by the Roman Army commander before destroying the Temple when he entered the Holy of holies and placed the idol he worships in the Holy of holies. Upon learning this I asked THE LORD where was the ARK of the COVENANT. Later HE showed me in Rev 11:19. The second desecration which is the hub of controversy bet. the Jews and Palestinians and all Muslim nations is the Al Aqsa Mosque. It was built and stands at the place of the Holy of holies in the Temple in Jerusalem. Muslims claim that place - the Holy of holies - was the place where Mohammed ascended to heaven.

Ahwatukee · Apr 7, 2016

Hello peping,

Actually, it is called "that abomination of desolation." The reason is that when the abomination is set up in the holy place, it causes the desolation, i.e. the emptying of Jerusalem. This is synonymous with the woman/Israel of Rev.12 where the woman flees out into the desert to that place prepared for her by God and is protected until Christ returns 3 1/2 years later.

When that Antichrist comes, he will make it possible for Israel to rebuild their long awaited temple and begin to once again make sacrifices and offerings. That it is mentioned that in the middle of the seven years the antichrist causes the sacrifices and offerings to cease, would demonstrate that they will have been doing so up til that point. When the antichrist-- that man of lawlessness--stands in the temple proclaiming himself to be God and and sets up that abomination, then Israel realizes that he is not their Messiah and this is when they flee out to that place prepared for her.

Also, I personally believe that the abomination is synonymous with that image that the false prophet has the inhabitants of the earth make in honor of the first beast as described in Rev.13:14-16. Furthermore, it has pretty much been established that the Dome of the Rock does not stand on the actual site of the Holy of Hollies. If it was, Israel would never make sacrifices and offerings within it.

peping · Apr 7, 2016

I have no idea that Israel are making sacrifices and offerings within the Temple that's why it is the center of controversy now because the Temple is desecrated and the Jews can only perform their prayer at the western or eastern? wall outside of the Temple. The information that I got about the placement of the Dome of the Rock or the Al Aqsa Mosque then is wrong. Because if it isn't standing where the Holy of holies is there will never be dispute between the Jews and the Palestine/Muslim nations they can have their rites as they please but that's not the way that is happening.

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