Things you Seventh Day Adventist Neighbors won't tell you.

[danschance]

1) They won't tell you that there founder was a woman who credited her prophetic gift by being hit in the head by a rock.

She was struck in the head by rock which put her in a coma for three weeks. The brain injury was substantial and she never finished the third grade.

"This misfortune, which for a time seemed so bitter and was so hard to bear, has proved to be a blessing in disguise. The cruel blow which blighted the joys of earth, was the means of turning my eyes to heaven. I might never had known Jesus Christ, had not the sorrow that clouded my early years led me to seek comfort in him." Review and Herald, Nov. 25, 1884, par.2

2) SDA adventism is the only true church.
Now if this sounds just like the Latter Day Saints or the Jehovah's witnesses it is because they all have the same roots in Adventism.

"...Satan has taken full possession of the Churches". (Spiritual Gifts V.l,p.189-90) They also believe our prayers are an "abomination" to God. (Spiritual Gifts, V1 p.190).

3)SDA believes the writings of Ellen G WHite are equal to the bible.

"We believe the revelation and inspiration of both the Bible and Ellen White's writings to be of equal quality. The superintendence of the Holy Spirit was just as careful and thorough in one case as in the other".

Again this sounds just like the mormons with Joseph Smith and the JW's with the watchtower.

4)They have their own bible "The Clear Word Bible" complete with the doctrines and teachings of Ellen G WHite.

Again we see similarities with the mormons as they have the Joseph Smith Translation where he took a pen to a KJV bible and edited it to conform to his teachings. The JW's also have their own bible, the New World Translation" where they have changed words to fit their theology.

5) They teach salvation by works.

"...The terms of salvation for every son and daughter of Adam are here outlined. It is plainly stated that the condition of gaining eternal life is obedience to the commandments of God". Advent Review and Sabbath Herald of 10-26-1897

"Every man's work passes in review before God...Opposite each name in the books of heaven is entered, with terrible exactness, every wrong word, every selfish act, every unfulfilled duty, and every secret sin, with every artful dissembling. Heaven-sent warnings or reproofs neglected, wasted moments, unimproved opportunities, the influence exerted for good or for evil, with its far-reaching results, all are chronicled by the recording angel." The Faith I Live By Page 210

Again this is the same as the Mormons and JW's.

6)They won't tell you about the false prophecies of Ellen G White or why they still follow a person who has promulgated false prophecies.

Ellen G. White endorsed a false prophecy by William Miller that Christ would return, first in 1843 and then 1844. Miller repented when Christ didn't show up on his date but Ellen didn't want to be viewed as a false prophetess for endorsing him through her visions. The idea was concocted by one of her followers that the date was right, but the event was wrong. Ellen eagerly accepted this "out", and this explanation was offered to explain away the false prophecy:
Christ didn't come visibly to earth, but He, invisibly, in heaven, changed compartments from the Holy to the Most Holy in 1844 and began the work of "investigative judgment" that we have discussed previously.

This is identical to the Jehovah's Witnesses. They prophesied the return of Christ on a specific date and when nothing happened they claimed Jesus came back invisibly. This clearly contradicts the bible. Jesus said everyone would see his return.

Ellen G. White said people alive in 1856 would be translated at the 2nd coming of Jesus. (Testimonies, V1, p 131,132).

Do you know any 157 year old seniors? Then this is a false prophecy.

She said in Testimonies for the Church, Volume 1, p. 259, that the United States would be "...humbled into the dust" by England during the Civil War.

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

just a few corrections for the sake of accuracy...

ellen white was not the actual founder of the seventh day adventist church...she was however the most important figure in the early seventh day adventist church...

while the jehovah's witnesses were directly connected with the adventist movement...the mormons were not...all three did however originate during the 'golden age of christian cults' in the mid nineteenth century...so they are equally representative of the spirit of the time...

the 'clear word bible' is not an officially mandated bible of the seventh day adventist church...though they recommend it as a helpful study aid...

 

[4enlightment]

1) They won't tell you that there founder was a woman who credited her prophetic gift by being hit in the head by a rock.

She was struck in the head by rock which put her in a coma for three weeks. The brain injury was substantial and she never finished the third grade.

2) SDA adventism is the only true church.
Now if this sounds just like the Latter Day Saints or the Jehovah's witnesses it is because they all have the same roots in Adventism.


3)SDA believes the writings of Ellen G WHite are equal to the bible.



Again this sounds just like the mormons with Joseph Smith and the JW's with the watchtower.

4)They have their own bible "The Clear Word Bible" complete with the doctrines and teachings of Ellen G WHite.

Again we see similarities with the mormons as they have the Joseph Smith Translation where he took a pen to a KJV bible and edited it to conform to his teachings. The JW's also have their own bible, the New World Translation" where they have changed words to fit their theology.

5) They teach salvation by works.



Again this is the same as the Mormons and JW's.

6)They won't tell you about the false prophecies of Ellen G White or why they still follow a person who has promulgated false prophecies.



This is identical to the Jehovah's Witnesses. They prophesied the return of Christ on a specific date and when nothing happened they claimed Jesus came back invisibly. This clearly contradicts the bible. Jesus said everyone would see his return.



Do you know any 157 year old seniors? Then this is a false prophecy.

Matthew 27:19While Pilate was sitting on the judge’s seat, his wife sent him this message: “Don’t have anything to do with that innocent man, for I have suffered a great deal today in a dream because of him.

 

[Michael50]

1) They won't tell you that there founder was a woman who credited her prophetic gift by being hit in the head by a rock.

She was struck in the head by rock which put her in a coma for three weeks. The brain injury was substantial and she never finished the third grade.

2) SDA adventism is the only true church.
Now if this sounds just like the Latter Day Saints or the Jehovah's witnesses it is because they all have the same roots in Adventism.


3)SDA believes the writings of Ellen G WHite are equal to the bible.



Again this sounds just like the mormons with Joseph Smith and the JW's with the watchtower.

4)They have their own bible "The Clear Word Bible" complete with the doctrines and teachings of Ellen G WHite.

Again we see similarities with the mormons as they have the Joseph Smith Translation where he took a pen to a KJV bible and edited it to conform to his teachings. The JW's also have their own bible, the New World Translation" where they have changed words to fit their theology.

5) They teach salvation by works.



Again this is the same as the Mormons and JW's.

6)They won't tell you about the false prophecies of Ellen G White or why they still follow a person who has promulgated false prophecies.



This is identical to the Jehovah's Witnesses. They prophesied the return of Christ on a specific date and when nothing happened they claimed Jesus came back invisibly. This clearly contradicts the bible. Jesus said everyone would see his return.



Do you know any 157 year old seniors? Then this is a false prophecy.

First, I would like to thank you for your post. God has a way of taking ridicule and insult and turning it into His gain despite those who attempt to stifle the Truth.

1. You say Ellen White never finished the Third grade. Yet I am 100% sure that you would be reaching for a dictionary if you even cracked open one of her writing.

2. Seventh Day Adventists believe and teach that all sorts of different people from different denominations will be Saved. in fact we believe that many 7th Day Adventists will be lost. The 7th day church is a result of continued Truth and Light that Jesus bestows on His People who are ready to listen and follow Him where that Truth may lead. There are many church leaders that recieved truth and the churchs changed according to it,, such as Martin Luther, ect....They acted to the Truth that came from God opening the scriptures to them so that they could see those things. There are secrets in the Bible that men only know about when God brings it to there attention. such as:

What chapter is right in the middle of the Bible? it is Psalm 118. (The shortest chapter: Psalm 117),, (The longest chapter 119) It's preceded by 594 chapters, and it is followed by 594 chapters. Now,, if you add of preceding chapters with that of the following chapters you get a total of 1188.....and Psalm 118:8 is the CENTER VERSE, WHICH SAYS:

"it is better to trust in the Lord than to put confidence in man."


I digress


3. SDAs, beleive Ellen White is a prophet. She sure passed all the Biblical tests. We do not worship ellen white, We believe the scriptures are our safeguard. The Bible is the Great Light, and ellen whites writings a lessor light. The Bible is our source for measuring Truth. Not ellen whites writings. If they didn't coincide with the Bible,, we would reject her writings.

4. I use the nkjv,,I have for 20 years. I also have some other bibles around, i like to compare alot of scriptures.

5. We Have NEVER Taught Salvation by Works. We are Saved by Grace and Grace alone. We keep the Commandments because we love Jesus. We do believe there will come a time when laws will be made that will cause men to go against their conscience and against the law of God.

6. I know of no false prophecies that Ellen White gave. Nor do I believe she did. Jesus is in the Sanctuary right now. The cases of the Rightous are being reviewed right now. Starting with Adam. For Judgment begins at the House of God!

When I first heard these things, I too kicked and screamed. But, I love the Truth. I would rather have my feelings hurt and my confidence shaken, then to continue to believe things that are not so. I had a lot of issues when I came to Sda church. All of them have been resolved. I invite all to sit down and read "The Great Controversy" & "The Desire of Ages",, Those 2 books were instrumental in changing my mind and my life.

Again, I thank you for your post. I ho[pe it causes folks to take a closer look.
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[matt7777777]

I have seventhday advenedst an mormon friends both who show more christian fruits than most other christians i know an sence my bible says you will know them by there fruits id say you shoulddnt be judging a whole relgious groups based on actions of a few or just because they have some diffrent belifes thwn you.

 

[Stephen63]

Churches and denominations need to be carefully critiqued when they surround a famous person of their faith or use that famous person's name in the name of the church denomination. Sometimes it's just wee bit shy of idolatry.

 

[Laodicea]

danschance it is good to see you starting your own topic rather than hijacking another persons thread. I agree with everything Michael has said. I did not grow up in church. I did not go to any church as a child. I gave my life to Christ at 20 years old and liked what the SDA church teach.

1. Ellen White is not the founder neither is William Miller. the adventists of the 1840's were all sunday keeping people who taught 1844. After the disappointment of 1844 many stopped going to church, many went back to their own churches while a small group stayed and studied the Bible where the mistake was. They found what the mistake was of 1844 and predicting that Christ would return then but rather the 2300 day prophecy of Daniel 8 is a prophecy concerning the sanctuary in heaven. William Miller was not part of this small group, he died about 5 years after 1844. The SDA church became an official church in 1863.

2. SDA teach that the SDA is the remnant church of Bible prophecy but never teach that only SDA will be saved. We teach God has His people in all churches.

3. The SDA church teach that all doctrine is to be based on the Bible, even Ellen White said that.

4. Not many people use the clear word, myself I do not like the clear word I always use the KJV although I do compare with other versions.

5. As Michael said SDA never teach salvation by works. I teach the Bible in church and I never teach salvation by works and no one ever teaches that.

6. Do you know about conditional prophecy? Jonah predicted Nineveh would be destroyed in 40 days but yet it was not, does that mean the Bible is false? There are other conditional prophecies in the Bible as well.

 

[matt7777777]

Idk know any denomonation who use a persons name in the name mormomns is the church of jesus christ of latter day saints or something like that but the only name in thede is jesus christ sounds ok to me... sda dosent have a bame in it at all.

 

[Donkeyfish07]

I went to a 7th day Adventist church once. I was really interested because they're one of the few churches that observe the biblical sabbath on Saturday. They were all really good people there. I couldn't bring myself to agree with all the opinions that one particular church had but they have a lot of zeal at that Church.

They never said anything remotely like "Our Church is the only true Church".

They did give me some Ellen White literature (Which I read and couldn't bring myself to agree with) but they never put it on par with the bible. The only thing that was really said to me while I was there about her is that she inspired the church to focus more on the gifts of the spirit.

These things above are just that particular church of course but one thing I'm positive of regarding the denomination as a whole is that they do NOT teach salvation by works. They simply want to observe Gods law willingly. Their philosophy on that is that Jesus plainly said "Think Not that I have come to abolish the law....." etc......and they just want to be obedient. In their mind it isn't "Keep to Sabbath or go to hell"......That's definitely not the case with the Adventists. They just genuinely want to follow God's commandments, it's not out of a mentality of "If you don't do this your not saved".

You may have a point on point 6. I can't remember specifics but I'm pretty sure I remember reading an Ellen White prophecy that totally did not happen. That's definitely something they did not mention at the Church when Ellen White was brought up but I only visited that Church one time.

 

[danschance]

just a few corrections for the sake of accuracy...

ellen white was not the actual founder of the seventh day adventist church...she was however the most important figure in the early seventh day adventist church...

while the jehovah's witnesses were directly connected with the adventist movement...the mormons were not...all three did however originate during the 'golden age of christian cults' in the mid nineteenth century...so they are equally representative of the spirit of the time...

the 'clear word bible' is not an officially mandated bible of the seventh day adventist church...though they recommend it as a helpful study aid...

Yes, she was a co-founder.

 

[danschance]

Idk know any denomonation who use a persons name in the name mormomns is the church of jesus christ of latter day saints or something like that but the only name in thede is jesus christ sounds ok to me... sda dosent have a bame in it at all.

Yes, Matt, The Latter Day Saints are commonly referred to as Mormons. Need proof? The Mormons used to have a book called "Meet the Mormons" and one official website of the church is Mormon.org | What is the Mormon Church and Religion?.

Here is what one can find on this website:

MORMONS AND RELIGION

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the official name of the religion commonly called the Mormon Church. We believe first and foremost that Jesus Christ is the Savior of the world and the Son of God.
While our backgrounds and experiences are diverse, Mormons are united by a commitment to Jesus Christ. This site features members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints sharing their stories and telling what their faith means to them. (bold emphasis is mine)

 

[Laodicea]

Yes, she was a co-founder.

No she was not. She was a part but not the founder or co-founder.

 

[danschance]

No she was not. She was a part but not the founder or co-founder.

Yes, as rachel bible student pointed out, she is a co-founder. You pointed this out to me once before and I accidently posted she was the founder.

 

[matt7777777]

I know they are refferd to as mormons i refferd to them as mormons whats your point?

 

[Elizabeth619]

Anyone who claims to be the founder of any church other than Christ is enough to raise a red flag for me.
Giving credit to man for establishing a church isn't quite biblical.

 

[danschance]

I went to a 7th day Adventist church once. I was really interested because they're one of the few churches that observe the biblical sabbath on Saturday. They were all really good people there. I couldn't bring myself to agree with all the opinions that one particular church had but they have a lot of zeal at that Church.

They never said anything remotely like "Our Church is the only true Church".

They did give me some Ellen White literature (Which I read and couldn't bring myself to agree with) but they never put it on par with the bible. The only thing that was really said to me while I was there about her is that she inspired the church to focus more on the gifts of the spirit.

These things above are just that particular church of course but one thing I'm positive of regarding the denomination as a whole is that they do NOT teach salvation by works. They simply want to observe Gods law willingly. Their philosophy on that is that Jesus plainly said "Think Not that I have come to abolish the law....." etc......and they just want to be obedient. In their mind it isn't "Keep to Sabbath or go to hell"......That's definitely not the case with the Adventists. They just genuinely want to follow God's commandments, it's not out of a mentality of "If you don't do this your not saved".

You may have a point on point 6. I can't remember specifics but I'm pretty sure I remember reading an Ellen White prophecy that totally did not happen. That's definitely something they did not mention at the Church when Ellen White was brought up but I only visited that Church one time.

I doubt they would ever come right out and say to a perspective convert that they believe salvation is by works, but they do indeed believe this.

"In article 9 (of 'What Seventh-Day Adventists Believe'), it says, 'that those who are truly converted and love God will diligently study, and give heed to, His Word.' And they give eight Scripture references and none of them say anything like that. The simple truth is that people who are converted do not always 'diligently study' the Bible and do not always obey it in many matters. This is a part of the doctrine of salvation by works which they teach, and that one may keep saved by keeping on working."

"Here is our position: Only those will be saved who, having been redeemed by the grace of Christ, walk in obedience to all the light that God sheds on their way." (Answers to objections page 243)

This is the official Adventist position! The above doctrine means that all SDA members must comply with ALL of the requirements of the SDA church to be saved. So, according to SDA doctrine, if you don't tithe, you're not saved. Jesus NEVER asked anyone to FOLLOW Him to be saved; BUT, rather, only to BELIEVE upon Him (John 3:16). Jesus never asked anyone to work for salvation, only believe.

 

[danschance]

I know they are refferd to as mormons i refferd to them as mormons whats your point?

I must of not read your post right? I thought you said there are LDS not mormons.

 

[matt7777777]

No i was just saying that there actual name was church of jesus christ of latter day saints special emphasis on the jesus christ part.

 

[Donkeyfish07]

I doubt they would ever come right out and say to a perspective convert that they believe salvation is by works, but they do indeed believe this.



This is the official Adventist position! The above doctrine means that all SDA members must comply with ALL of the requirements of the SDA church to be saved. So, according to SDA doctrine, if you don't tithe, you're not saved. Jesus NEVER asked anyone to FOLLOW Him to be saved; BUT, rather, only to BELIEVE upon Him (John 3:16). Jesus never asked anyone to work for salvation, only believe.

Oh ya, that first underlined part definitely granted.....Not just SDA, any Church if you were to imagine they really believe that salvation can be gained from your own works is not going to come out and say it like that. I've really looked into their philosophy and I think it's generally just misunderstood by people. There is a lot of room for legitimate criticism of the SDA church......There was an odd fixation on diet (Which I guess isn't a bad thing, healthy advice but still not something you'd expect to see in a church), they were really adamant about getting the idea across that wanting to travel and do missionary work is self-righteous (although I've head of Adventist missionaries .....they were pushing this idea via literature and talking about it at the Church when I was there) and that people should stay in their communities and do things there. There's plenty of things you could reasonably question in that organization.

That being said.....I don't think they're implying nor do they believe that salvation can be gained by your own works. In my experience that only exists in the opinions of people who haven't taken the time to understand why they believe in keeping the sabbath. Most SDA members are coming at it from the perspective that they want to obey God's commands....not because they believe their salvation is dependent on it. Obeying God's commandments is not a bad thing is it? For many of them that choose to live that way, they look at it as a result of salvation and they're non judgemental about people who choose not to observe the sabbath. They have a biblical position to stand on too....It's impossible to completely ignore the line of reasoning they use if you take the time to try to understand it.

Matthew 5:17

"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill."

Luke 6:47

"And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?"

SDA doesn't ever tell anybody to live this way or go to hell....It's a group of people who follow the commandment of their own free will. It's biblical for them to do so, I don't understand why they get so much flack over that. I'm not an SDA but the whole salvation/works thing is just not an issue with that church. The biggest issue in my opinion would be Ellen White making prophecies that did not come true and the church still actively publishing/spreading the works. I don't even remember much about the Ellen White prophecy fails....I'm not sure what failed or when....It's been years since I did any Ellen White research and my memory is foggy. And I don't agree with their tithing system either.

 

[danschance]

Donkeyfish07

I do understand what you are saying. I am not an expert on SDA but Ellen WHite did make some statements that one would identify as salvation plus works. I understand that many in SDA might claim that they do not teach this but the Mormons, JW's and Catholics also deny they teach this but they do.

My main goal here is to show the truth about SDA and that it is an aberrant christian cult just as JW and LDS are.