The End is near

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Kerry

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I believe that the time is near for many reasons. For one Israel is a nation again. Secondly, every nation that Israel has put their trust in, that nation has turned against them. Look at England, they turned their back, and now are no longer the prominent nation. America is in a whirlwind of sin and advocating that sin. The Obama administration is against Israel. We know from the bible that all nations will march against Israel. Look at America, the most Christened country in the world. Its over run with homosexuality and abortion. The cross means nothing to us and our support of Israel is waning. God said to Abraham, I will bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you. which one do you want. When I was in high school , you couldn't find one gay person, now they are everywhere. Church,it's your fault
 
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MatthewMichael

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Blain said:
I can't really do that right now because i am on my friends computer and he said to just stay on cc, he is very paranoid about his computer. but someone already posted the scripture i was talking about
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Understood. I just couldn't resist saying that :)
 
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1still_waters

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MatthewMichael said:
hmmm. not the rapture... but the end.

1 Peter 4:7
7 The end of all things is near. Therefore be clear minded and self-controlled so that you can pray.
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Yay! A verse
Now what's it mean?
Is it talking about a rapture?
Well those who believe in a rapture believe there is stuff that happens after the rapture.
So this clearly can't be about the rapture, because it says the "end of all things".
Well if there are things still happening after the rapture, then this clearly isn't a reference to that.

So what is it a reference to?
What is the scope of the end of all things?

I'm going to suggest it has a very limited scope and it's in reference to the final visible collapse of the old covenant system which centered on animal sacrifice, Jerusalem centric temple worship, and Jerusalem centered thinking.

Now some may say, "But it says ALL THINGS. Surely that isn't ALL THINGS!"

Here's the thing, even those who will take ALL as more than what I described, even they have a limited scope/definition of ALL THINGS. Even they agree humans, will not be ended. Even though it does say the END OF ALL THINGS.

So if you're going to object to my limited scope of all things, then you'll have to object to your definition of all things too, seeing even you believe many things will exist and won't be ended. (I'm saying this to anyone in general who reads this and finds issue with my interpretation.)

So what verses can I give to prove it's in reference to the near term collapse of the old covenant system I described?
I'm glad you asked.

First of all a quick history lesson.
The Jewish temple was destroyed in AD70.


Ok now for some Bible verses.

Matt 24 In reference to THOSE stones of the temple they say..
Jesus left the temple and was going away, when his disciples came to point out to him the buildings of the temple. [SUP]2 [/SUP]But he answered them, “You see all these, do you not? Truly, I say to you, there will not be left here one stone upon another that will not be thrown down.”

In reference to Jerusalem no longer being the center. John 4.
The woman said to him, “Sir, I perceive that you are a prophet. [SUP]20 [/SUP]Our fathers worshiped on this mountain, but you say that in Jerusalem is the place where people ought to worship.” [SUP]21 [/SUP]Jesus said to her, “Woman, believe me, the hour is coming when neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father.[SUP]22 [/SUP]You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews. [SUP]23 [/SUP]Butthe hour is coming, and is now here, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father is seeking such people to worship him. [SUP]24 [/SUP]God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.” [SUP]25 [/SUP]The woman said to him, “I know that Messiah is coming (he who is called Christ). When he comes, he will tell us all things.” [SUP]26 [/SUP]Jesus said to her, “I who speak to you am he.”

In reference to the old sacrificial system fading out into extinction. Hebrews 8
[SUP]13 [/SUP]In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

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And all that was ended visibly NEAR in their time, as confirmation that Jesus was indeed the true and final sacrifice.



 
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Kerry

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3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
 
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1still_waters said:
Yay! A verse
Now what's it mean?
Is it talking about a rapture?
Well those who believe in a rapture believe there is stuff that happens after the rapture.
So this clearly can't be about the rapture, because it says the "end of all things".
Well if there are things still happening after the rapture, then this clearly isn't a reference to that.

So what is it a reference to?
What is the scope of the end of all things?

I'm going to suggest it has a very limited scope and it's in reference to the final visible collapse of the old covenant system which centered on animal sacrifice, Jerusalem centric temple worship, and Jerusalem centered thinking.

Now some may say, "But it says ALL THINGS. Surely that isn't ALL THINGS!"

Here's the thing, even those who will take ALL as more than what I described, even they have a limited scope/definition of ALL THINGS. Even they agree humans, will not be ended. Even though it does say the END OF ALL THINGS.

So if you're going to object to my limited scope of all things, then you'll have to object to your definition of all things too, seeing even you believe many things will exist and won't be ended. (I'm saying this to anyone in general who reads this and finds issue with my interpretation.)

So what verses can I give to prove it's in reference to the near term collapse of the old covenant system I described?
I'm glad you asked.

First of all a quick history lesson.
The Jewish temple was destroyed in AD70.


Ok now for some Bible verses.

Matt 24 In reference to THOSE stones of the temple they say..
Jesus left the temple and was going away, when his disciples came to point out to him the buildings of the temple.[SUP]2 [/SUP]But he answered them, “You see all these, do you not? Truly, I say to you, there will not be left here one stone upon another that will not be thrown down.”

In reference to Jerusalem no longer being the center. John 4.
The woman said to him, “Sir, I perceive that you are a prophet. [SUP]20 [/SUP]Our fathers worshiped on this mountain, but you say that in Jerusalem is the place where people ought to worship.” [SUP]21 [/SUP]Jesus said to her, “Woman, believe me, the hour is coming when neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father.[SUP]22 [/SUP]You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews. [SUP]23 [/SUP]Butthe hour is coming, and is now here, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father is seeking such people to worship him. [SUP]24 [/SUP]God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.” [SUP]25 [/SUP]The woman said to him, “I know that Messiah is coming (he who is called Christ). When he comes, he will tell us all things.” [SUP]26 [/SUP]Jesus said to her, “I who speak to you am he.”

In reference to the old sacrificial system fading out into extinction. Hebrews 8
[SUP]13 [/SUP]In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

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And all that was ended visibly NEAR in their time, as confirmation that Jesus was indeed the true and final sacrifice.
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Think about stills, if the end is near does it really matter if the rapture is before or after? If the end is near then the rapture has either happened or is very close when the end happens. The question is who is going to listen? why do you think the end and the rapture are likened to noah? no one believed him either that the flood was coming, they mocked him as he built the ark but he believed god and when the flood came he and his family were saved because they believed and trusted god. now see noah as the people who believe god about the rapture and the ark as the rapture. and the people who mock and say there isn't even a cloud are the ones who like you do not believe god about these things. i am not saying you will be left behind but there is a special reward for those who are prepared for it
 
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1still_waters

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Blain said:
Think about stills, if the end is near does it really matter if the rapture is before or after? If the end is near then the rapture has either happened or is very close when the end happens. The question is who is going to listen? why do you think the end and the rapture are likened to noah? no one believed him either that the flood was coming, they mocked him as he built the ark but he believed god and when the flood came he and his family were saved because they believed and trusted god. now see noah as the people who believe god about the rapture and the ark as the rapture. and the people who mock and say there isn't even a cloud are the ones who like you do not believe god about these things. i am not saying you will be left behind but there is a special reward for those who are prepared for it
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Well you're kind of missing the point.

The point was to see what the OP meant by near.
But now it's transitioned into the tangled mess of rapture theory.

It does matter because words do indeed mean things.

If someone is claiming to speak for God, and they use a term like near, then they better be able to tell us if it means near or far away. They can't say it means God is jerking us around to keep us on our toes. When God communicates in a way to keep us awake, he says things like no one knows the day or hour. He doesn't use terms like near, that some how get reverse engineered into a word we can't understand.
 
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MarkIA

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I have to admit , when I hear that phrase "the end is near" i get goosebumps .
Bible prophecies and Book of Revelations sure is pretty scary at times .

” end times prophecy” will be the end of the world as we know it. Here is what you need to understand, the bible is Gods word and interpretation can be taken out of context. Interpretation can also be very complicated.
 
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jonathanbchristian said:
The signs of the times are prevail. The End is near. Homosexuality and abortion are signs. They are global. They are the end of God's patience. God will root up the tares and burn them in fire. The end is soon. The tribulation will begin in our lifetime. Look for the signs; God never tolerated this much and He will put an end to it like Sodom and Gomorah. The latter day sins are worsening. Soon the Beast will arrive and take dominion over the globe. Look for the rebuilding of the Temple in Israel. Look for signs in the sun and moon. God will not always strive with the hearts of man.
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1still_waters said:
Why even say something is near, if all you're meaning to say is that NOW is closer to said end point, than some time in the past?

Of course a present time is closer to an end point than some time in the past. That's as obvious as water being wet. If that's all that near means, then why state such an obvious fact? Well clearly you state near, cuz you're trying to convey something that needs some explanation.
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So the Op is wrong by just simply stating the end is near?


To me, there's only 3 ways to look at this:
1. Maybe there's a counter argument that the end is not near and it needs to be explained.
2. Maybe the op is right, & just stating what we already know. Is that wrong? Is that his privilege? Isn't that what every Christian is supposed to do, to warn people that the end is near?

True, we already know, but that doesn't mean we're paying attention.


1 Timothy 4:6 (KJV) 6 If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained.

3. I am very curious why you put so much emphasis on one word, one single word in this guys op, while others mudsling to no end and it's never touched? While I am not the op, I think he deserves better courtesy than that.
 
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Houly

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OP said more than "near." He said "in our lifetime," as in within the century at most. Today we go to great lengths to justify things that are obviously against God's Law, for example killing 40-50 million unborn children each year. Much of mankind rejects even the concept of God and embraces atheism. That's why he is expecting God's wrath to be poured out on today's generation.
 
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PlainWord

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It is pretty compelling to know that we are less than 20 years away from the 2,000th anniversary of Christ's crucifixion and resurrection. Some put it at 2027, others 2030 and others at 2033. If the Lord returns around any of these dates, we are even closer to the start of the Tribulation. "Watch"
 
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