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    Quote Originally Posted by Bookends View Post
    First, the 144,000 and the great multitude are not two different peoples but two different ways of describing the same purified bride.
    Agree with Hank here...

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    Jehovah's witnesses believe that only those people go to heaven. The rest of the good people stay on earth paradise.
    Your kingdom come on earth as in heaven they say.
    who are the 144000 and what Will happen to earth ?
    I'm pretty sure my cousin is one.

    So now you just need to account for 143,000

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    A great multitude that no man can count is everyone, ever. Because that's the only number no man can count.

    "After this I beheld, and, lo"

    "Behold" means "examine carefully"
    "Lo" means "here's something you don't know yet"

    "For God did not send the Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world
    might be saved through Him"

    144k is anyone who dares to believe it enough to pick up a cross for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enoch1nine View Post
    A great multitude that no man can count is everyone, ever. Because that's the only number no man can count.

    "After this I beheld, and, lo"

    "Behold" means "examine carefully"
    "Lo" means "here's something you don't know yet"

    "For God did not send the Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world
    might be saved through Him"

    144k is anyone who dares to believe it enough to pick up a cross for it.

    Not everyone....but only the Righteous, who are recorded in the Lamb's Book of Life, who escaped Judgment.

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    I believe the 144,000 are the groomsmen at the wedding feast of the Lamb. Revelation pretty well explains what is going to happen to the earth. It takes thoughtful, prayerful study to discern these things.

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    So, in Rev 7, John sees a multitude, of "all nations", including Jews / Israelites, and also including gentiles

    John hears the number of the sealed of the Israelites = 144K; he hears no such specific accounting of gentiles, but instead is simply shown a Vision, of numberless multitudes >> 144K

    In Rev 7, an Angelic Voice from heaven specifically booms to John, that 144,000.000 Israelites / Jews are sealed into the Scroll of Life. No similar Voice accounts the number of other gentiles, implying "millions" (>> 144K).

    The saved Israelites are singled out, for an especial accounting; but also the two groups are clearly "Jews/Israelite Christians + gentile Christians"... even if John only is shown a single Vision, of a single massed multitude, within which, those 144K saved Israelites are "salted"

    one Vision = multitude of millions
    one Voice = "144K of those are saved Israelites"
    one Christian Congregation
    of two groups joined = Jews + gentiles

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    And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. ~ Revelation 7:4
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    After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; ~ Revelation 7:9
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    13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? 14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. ~ Revelation 7:13-14


    The Israelite Hebrew Jews were [ / are ] one nation, one kindred, one people, one tongue...

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    ALL nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues...

    Also ---

    ALL came out of great tribulation... ( What? No Gentiles? All are Israelite Hebrew Jews? )

    Oh - I see - only the Israelite Hebrew Jews get the white robes...
    salvation = strength = honor
    (no known, natural exceptions)

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    A new article on the identity of the 144,000 that explains why Dan and Ephraim are not included.


    Who Are The 144,000? | Beginning And End

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    Quote Originally Posted by just-us-2 View Post
    I believe the 144,000 are the groomsmen at the wedding feast of the Lamb. Revelation pretty well explains what is going to happen to the earth. It takes thoughtful, prayerful study to discern these things.

    revelation 7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A-Omega View Post
    A new article on the identity of the 144,000 that explains why Dan and Ephraim are not included.


    Who Are The 144,000? | Beginning And End
    Dan wasn't included because they got kicked out from the tribes after they mixed there seeds with Edom which was forbidden by the most high. before that levi wasn't considered as a tribe because they were the tabernacle of god and Israel. they also fell after davids death and came to be as one of tribes of Israel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lisa1982 View Post
    Jehovah's witnesses believe that only those people go to heaven. The rest of the good people stay on earth paradise.
    Your kingdom come on earth as in heaven they say.
    who are the 144000 and what Will happen to earth ?
    Hi there Lisa1982,

    the Jehovah's Witnesses (Russellites) are a heretical group of people who do not rightly divide the word of truth. In fact, they refuse to rightly divide the word of truth. So they put their warped private interpretation of what and who they believe that the 144,000 are.

    When comparing Scripture with Scripture and when following the command given in 2 Timothy 2:15, this question can be easily and assuredly answered. The 144,000 are the Elect Jews in the time of Jacob's trouble from the twelve tribes of the Children of Israel.

    These 144,000 Jews will have the seal of God in their foreheads. So these Elect Jews in the time of Jacob's trouble will be the only people who have eternal security in this time period that is in the very near future.


    7 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.
    2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
    3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
    4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
    5 Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.
    6 Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nephthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.
    7 Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand.
    8 Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.
    9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
    10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.
    11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,
    12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.
    13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
    14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
    15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
    16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.
    17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes. - Revelation 7:1-17 (King James Bible)


    No one else will have eternal security in the time of Jacob's trouble.

    Now in the Dispensation of Grace (Church Age) which we are now living in. Every true born again believer has eternal security, which simply means that they can not lose their salvation since our works have no part in the obtaining of our salvation. Now works come AFTER our salvation. But not before. Salvation is a gift from God. Therefore, when a person (man or woman) gets saved today, he is eternally secure since he or she is sealed unto the day of redemption ( Eph. 1:13 & Eph. 4:30).

    Once the Rapture hits. And the Body of Christ is removed from off of the earth, then that will end the Church Age. And the time of Jacob's trouble will then be brought in. And salvation in the time of Jacob's trouble will be a lot harder to obtain. Because people will have to endure unto the end by not taking the mark of the beast. It's going to be very tough. So for those out there who are reading this who still aren't saved. Get Saved now! You don't want to miss the rapture.
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    Tribulation saints. Yep. That's what the are

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    Me and 143999 others
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lisa1982 View Post
    Jehovah's witnesses believe that only those people go to heaven. The rest of the good people stay on earth paradise.
    Your kingdom come on earth as in heaven they say.
    who are the 144000 and what Will happen to earth ?
    God is not the author of confusion (1 Cor 14:33), but after reading through this thread,
    I discovered nothing but confusion. The book of Rev was so important for people
    to know, that the Lord had it written down and told WHY it was written and TO WHO it
    was written, all in the first verse (Rev 1:1). God didn't make the book confusing. The confusion
    is self-inflicted by people who think they got it better figured out than the God who gave
    the book. Rev 22:18-19, people are warned not to add to or subtract from what is contained
    in the book of Rev, yet they've done it. Just in this thread alone, people have either added to
    or subtracted from, the truth of who the 144k are. An educated guess is STRICTLY FORBIDDEN
    when it comes to the book of Rev. (Rev 22:18-19) God is treating the book of Rev as "HIGHLY
    IMPORTANT INFORMATION" that is best not tampered with, yet people treat it with trival
    carelessness and state opinions of the various subjects contained inside, regardless of knowing
    if they are right or wrong.

    Now, to answer your question. Jesus said in Matt 23:38-39 Behold, your house is left unto you
    desolate. (39) For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is
    he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
    Jews are going to have to call on Jesus as Lord and Christ, before He returns. This issue
    is going to be squeezed out of them. The end time is a time of Jacob's trouble, where
    2 out of 3 Jews world wide are going to be killed. A remnant is going to be saved.
    Since the rapture took all believers out and everyone that was left, who professes to
    be christian, really isn't, there is no one left to preach Jesus, to anyone. Jews have a problem.
    God seals 144k and they are the first fruits. (First fruits means 2nd and 3rd fruits are coming).
    They get the remnant prepared for what is going to happen in the last 7 years of this age.

    Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

    1. The information in the Book of Rev was so important for people to see and know that the Lord
    had it written down.
    2. The Lord considered the book of Rev so important that He told WHY it was written.
    3. The Lord also considered it important to tell who it was written to, His servants.
    4. Well, who are these servants? People can't agree on the rapture, the 144k, grace/law, etc...
    Do you honestly think the Lord is going to leave who these servants are out and let us figure
    it out??? He tells you. Rev 7:3 tells you who the first ones are, the first fruits, the 144k.
    People don't get it because they don't wait on God to indentify the servants in Rev 1:1, but
    jump the gun and make up their own prophecy. Well, that violates Rev 22:18-19.
    Its very clear if you believe what He tells you. Confussion is self-inflicted.

    And Rev isn't to be treated like a "book of prophecy", even though, from our time of reference,
    most is future prophecy. But we aren't "the servants" that the things will shortly come to pass for.
    For us, its future prophecy, for the Rev 1:1 servants, its current events. The 7 letters to the 7 churches
    have been the current events for the church age. When the church age is over, the rest will be
    current events for the servants of Rev 1:1 And to understand and correctly interpret these events,
    you will need to see them from "their" point of view, that is they are Jews and they are going through
    this NOW, so what is the Lord telling them? I hope this helps you.

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    The 144K are God's Elect, sealed with His truth on their foreheads which is another way of saying, in their minds. This number is significant in that God prefers to do battle against big odds with a small army so that He gets all the glory. The 144K are from all 12 tribes which we know are spread out all over the world. Therefore, there will be a select group of Christians of Jewish decent from all over the world left after the slaughter of those Christians who were deceived by Antichrist. They will battle Satan and do great exploits.

    I firmly believe the story of Gideon's army can give us some insight here. If we look back we see Gideon started out with 32,000 men but this number was reduced to just 300 men or roughly 0.94%.

    There are approximately 15.3 million Jews in the world today with 85% in Israel and the USA alone. If you divide 144,000 by 15.3 million you get 0.94%. Pretty cool if you ask me.

    The top 10 countries containing Jews account for 96.4% of the world's total.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PlainWord View Post
    The 144K are God's Elect, sealed with His truth on their foreheads which is another way of saying, in their minds. This number is significant in that God prefers to do battle against big odds with a small army so that He gets all the glory. The 144K are from all 12 tribes which we know are spread out all over the world. Therefore, there will be a select group of Christians of Jewish decent from all over the world left after the slaughter of those Christians who were deceived by Antichrist. They will battle Satan and do great exploits.

    I firmly believe the story of Gideon's army can give us some insight here. If we look back we see Gideon started out with 32,000 men but this number was reduced to just 300 men or roughly 0.94%.

    There are approximately 15.3 million Jews in the world today with 85% in Israel and the USA alone. If you divide 144,000 by 15.3 million you get 0.94%. Pretty cool if you ask me.

    The top 10 countries containing Jews account for 96.4% of the world's total.
    All redeemed are God elect

    Matthew 24
    29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
    30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
    31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.


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    Who are the 144000 ?
    The Church, the Bride of Christ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PlainWord View Post
    The 144K are God's Elect, sealed with His truth on their foreheads which is another way of saying, in their minds. This number is significant in that God prefers to do battle against big odds with a small army so that He gets all the glory. The 144K are from all 12 tribes which we know are spread out all over the world. Therefore, there will be a select group of Christians of Jewish decent from all over the world left after the slaughter of those Christians who were deceived by Antichrist. They will battle Satan and do great exploits.

    I firmly believe the story of Gideon's army can give us some insight here. If we look back we see Gideon started out with 32,000 men but this number was reduced to just 300 men or roughly 0.94%.

    There are approximately 15.3 million Jews in the world today with 85% in Israel and the USA alone. If you divide 144,000 by 15.3 million you get 0.94%. Pretty cool if you ask me.

    The top 10 countries containing Jews account for 96.4% of the world's total.
    The church which includes the 144000 and all redeemed from adam till the end of the Church age are God elect
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    Quote Originally Posted by svedbygrace View Post
    The Church, the Bride of Christ.
    I agree, but I think they are a certain division of the Church. Just like Revelation starts out with letters written to different churches (divisions), the 144k is yet another group, and Jesus gives John a glimpse of their story.
    They are mentioned because they will be an important part of the martyrs and witness during the Great Tribulation.

    Some people say that 'God is not a respecter of persons, so these can't be literally Israeli'. This is not an issue if you believe in predestination. God has always elected those who will be saved, and He can sovereignty elect 12k from each tribe of Israel if He chooses to. There is no Biblical principle that denies God the ability to chose these people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isdaniel View Post
    All redeemed are God elect

    Matthew 24
    29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
    30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
    31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

    The part you quoted in red are the Elect, the 144K, or what is left of them. Not sure if the 144K are a literal number or represent those Christians who are alive and remaining. But it will be a small group who survive through the tribulation as most of the Church will go out after the false Christ thinking they are being raptured and will instead be slaughtered.

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    The 144000 are evangelists during the tribulation period. God choses 12000 from each tribe of Israel, And sends them into the world to spread the gospel.

    Take God literally at what he says, don;t try to read things into it which are not there.
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