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The 144,000 are the Israelites that were carried on slave ships to America, Caribbeans and four corners. The 144,000 will be those who wake up in these end times and that will be saved. Those who are not 144,000 will have to stay on earth and endure, but who knows God may take a few besides of the 144,000. But for sure the 144,000 are the lost tribes of Israel that was oppressed and will be saved in these last days from the horrors.
JW's are a cult. The 144,000 comes from 12,000 from each of the twelve tribes of Israel. I believe that they will be proclaiming Jesus as Messiah during the tribulation. Of course I believe the church is raptured out before the tribulation so someone will need to be here to proclaim God's word. Rev 7:5-8
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Roger
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Rev.14 : 1 then i looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with Him 144,000 who had His name and His Father's name written on their foreheads..........vs. 4 these are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they kept themselves pure. they follow the Lamb wherever He goes. they were purchased from among men and offered as firstfruits to God and the Lamb. vs 5 no lie was found in their mouths; they are blameless.
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most of Rev = Nero, persecution of Christians, & Jewish war culminating in destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD
144K = faithful Jewish Christian "remnants" of the Israelites, who had believed in Jesus as Messiah, by that time
cp. Acts 21, when Paul visited Jerusalem circa 58 AD, there were 10s of thousands of Jewish Christians in Jerusalem; in another decade, that number had topped 100 thousand, throughout the Roman empire.
144K = faithful Jewish Christian "remnants" of the Israelites, who had believed in Jesus as Messiah, by that time
cp. Acts 21, when Paul visited Jerusalem circa 58 AD, there were 10s of thousands of Jewish Christians in Jerusalem; in another decade, that number had topped 100 thousand, throughout the Roman empire.
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They are real miracle workers, coming soon to rock the world and throw down every religion and false prophecy.
"Lo, I will bring a nation upon you from far, O house of Israel, saith Salvation: it is a mighty nation, it is an ancient nation, a nation whose language thou knowest not, neither understandest what they say."
"Fear ye not me? saith Salvation: will ye not tremble at my presence, which have placed the sand for the bound of the sea by a perpetual decree, that it cannot pass it: and though the waves thereof toss themselves, yet can they not prevail; though they roar, yet can they not pass over it?"
"Lo, I will bring a nation upon you from far, O house of Israel, saith Salvation: it is a mighty nation, it is an ancient nation, a nation whose language thou knowest not, neither understandest what they say."
"Fear ye not me? saith Salvation: will ye not tremble at my presence, which have placed the sand for the bound of the sea by a perpetual decree, that it cannot pass it: and though the waves thereof toss themselves, yet can they not prevail; though they roar, yet can they not pass over it?"
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The 144000 are Jews that accept Christ before His coming. 12,000 from each tribe, that would be 6,000 from Manasseh and 6,000 from Ephraim. They are raptured and receive glorified bodies. The rest that survive live under Christ 1,000 year reign and repopulate the earth along with those who accept Christ during the tribulation and live through it.
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they are who the Bible said they are. each of those tribes of Israel. Part of the priest line ?. After that's written you see that there are a innumerable amount of people that washed their robes in the blood of the Lamb from every peoples. Those 144,000 God says, will come out of that confusion during the tribulation as written there. They are from the Israel's tribes as it says. No need to make it complicated .
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Re who are the 144000
Revelation 7:1-4 The scripture just mentioned definitely says they were of the tribe of the children of Israel! I have heard people teach these were 144000 jews. Jews are only from the tribe of Judah only one tribe. The bible also teaches that anyone who accepts israels God and obeys its spiritual laws are isralites. The bible will interpret itself so the word of God will surely tell us who these 144 thousand are.
Revelation 14:1-4 defiled with women ( false churches with their false doctrines) These 144000 could not be unbelieving jews as its erroneously taught today in the churches! WHY? They believed in Jesus -the lamb of God- and followed His every directive. In addition no one can be redeemed with a new glorified body without accepting the shed blood of Jesus for the remission of his/her sins. These 144000 were redeemed because they were believers in Jesus as the One and ONLY savior of this world
God is sealing for divine protection a certain number of true saints from events that are about to come when the seventh seal is opened. the seventh seal is composed of the seven last trumps. so investigate to determine why God would want to divinely protect them . it is clear from the remainder of revelation 7 that not all saints will be protected, the scriptures says these came out of the great tribulation and washed their robes white in the blood of lamb. so I feel that these 144ooo will be the special category which will be alive at the second coming of Christ beside the multitude as these 144000 will be identical to Christ in every respect and aspect of life that's living a very righteous living.
Revelation 7:1-4 The scripture just mentioned definitely says they were of the tribe of the children of Israel! I have heard people teach these were 144000 jews. Jews are only from the tribe of Judah only one tribe. The bible also teaches that anyone who accepts israels God and obeys its spiritual laws are isralites. The bible will interpret itself so the word of God will surely tell us who these 144 thousand are.
Revelation 14:1-4 defiled with women ( false churches with their false doctrines) These 144000 could not be unbelieving jews as its erroneously taught today in the churches! WHY? They believed in Jesus -the lamb of God- and followed His every directive. In addition no one can be redeemed with a new glorified body without accepting the shed blood of Jesus for the remission of his/her sins. These 144000 were redeemed because they were believers in Jesus as the One and ONLY savior of this world
God is sealing for divine protection a certain number of true saints from events that are about to come when the seventh seal is opened. the seventh seal is composed of the seven last trumps. so investigate to determine why God would want to divinely protect them . it is clear from the remainder of revelation 7 that not all saints will be protected, the scriptures says these came out of the great tribulation and washed their robes white in the blood of lamb. so I feel that these 144ooo will be the special category which will be alive at the second coming of Christ beside the multitude as these 144000 will be identical to Christ in every respect and aspect of life that's living a very righteous living.
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I think, your in the right direction. There being kept from being confused in the 6th trump .The 7th I guess is worry some only to those that mess up during the 6th. They are named from each tribe i guess because there was a covenant with Israel. You see I think, that Dan was left out. because of Idolatry , as it says elsewhere in the Bible. But by the end, you see in Revelation they are back in. I think that has in part to do with the covenant made with Israel is why they are mentioned. They won't loose their place due to Satan's lies,that happens at the ( 6th trump ) Only because, they will make it out of the smoke from the pit. meaning the lies, they come out of it.
Bear in mind what heaven means. Heaven means 'heights', but figuratively it means a state of mind in which one is 'heightened', some call it 'enlightened'. After all, that's who Jesus is, the light of the world. So when a person realises Jesus and understand the spirit of holiness and good-will and knows what love is and attains that peace of mind from God, they are in 'heaven'. That's where the expression comes from, 'heaven on earth'. Heaven is the spiritual state, or the state of mind.
Paradise is the new world. A world without sin and a world where everything is understood in complete totality. A place where 'human nature' as we know it, is no longer ever prevalent over the spirit of good-will. Where everyone understands themselves to the degree in which God understands them. Where all sin is rendered pointless because all is known and everything is understood. Where the curse is gone.
The 144,000 are the number of people who are utterly true to him on Earth, before the judgement. The ones who are truly 'enlightened'. That's right, the bible itself says there are only 144,000 chosen ones to go out and show God to the world, who truly understand him.
These are the ones who show everyone to the light.
I suspect they are people throughout history who have been patient, kind, sacrificing of themselves, never quick to anger, giving, forgiving, who speak the truth, who are compassionate and loving, and who do the things of God. People who truly know God and people who truly show God through themselves. People with all the love in the world to give. Wise people. People who are humble and without self-righteousness and pride and people who perfectly capture what a human being can be when they know the true God.
I don't think it's a group of people who belong to a certain title, because even within Jehovah's Witnesses there are bad seeds and good seeds and different types of belief. A good seed is a good seed no-matter which species of plant it belongs to or which bag of seed it's in.
Paradise is the new world. A world without sin and a world where everything is understood in complete totality. A place where 'human nature' as we know it, is no longer ever prevalent over the spirit of good-will. Where everyone understands themselves to the degree in which God understands them. Where all sin is rendered pointless because all is known and everything is understood. Where the curse is gone.
The 144,000 are the number of people who are utterly true to him on Earth, before the judgement. The ones who are truly 'enlightened'. That's right, the bible itself says there are only 144,000 chosen ones to go out and show God to the world, who truly understand him.
These are the ones who show everyone to the light.
I suspect they are people throughout history who have been patient, kind, sacrificing of themselves, never quick to anger, giving, forgiving, who speak the truth, who are compassionate and loving, and who do the things of God. People who truly know God and people who truly show God through themselves. People with all the love in the world to give. Wise people. People who are humble and without self-righteousness and pride and people who perfectly capture what a human being can be when they know the true God.
I don't think it's a group of people who belong to a certain title, because even within Jehovah's Witnesses there are bad seeds and good seeds and different types of belief. A good seed is a good seed no-matter which species of plant it belongs to or which bag of seed it's in.
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Say, GRA, have you considered that if they are neither raptured nor glorified, that implies two factors:
a) the 144K men remain biologically Earthing with metabolic human functions, and
b) the 144K males would require 144K females to repopulate the Earth during the Millennial reign?
If the Millennial is being repopulated with "today's" human DNA, when the whole concept of "original sin" hops into the Millennial time as well, would it not?
I agree with you w.r.t. the 144K populating the Earth during the Millennial reign, but I also believe those guys are not going to be physically XY chromosome descendants from Adam.
Remember the transfiguration in which Moses and Elijah appeared together with our Lord Jesus? Well, interesting to me is that the disciples watching this stuff were able to recognized Moses & Elijah whom they had never seen before due to hundred of years gaps between them.
I believe something similar may happen during the millennial reign when the 144K are accounted for: those in glorified bodies existing during the Millennium may well be able to recognize others as glorified bodies regardless of who is/is not glorified (as in the case of the disciples and later on Jesus Himself) and vice-versa.
What do you think?
BPie
a) the 144K men remain biologically Earthing with metabolic human functions, and
b) the 144K males would require 144K females to repopulate the Earth during the Millennial reign?
If the Millennial is being repopulated with "today's" human DNA, when the whole concept of "original sin" hops into the Millennial time as well, would it not?
I agree with you w.r.t. the 144K populating the Earth during the Millennial reign, but I also believe those guys are not going to be physically XY chromosome descendants from Adam.
Remember the transfiguration in which Moses and Elijah appeared together with our Lord Jesus? Well, interesting to me is that the disciples watching this stuff were able to recognized Moses & Elijah whom they had never seen before due to hundred of years gaps between them.
I believe something similar may happen during the millennial reign when the 144K are accounted for: those in glorified bodies existing during the Millennium may well be able to recognize others as glorified bodies regardless of who is/is not glorified (as in the case of the disciples and later on Jesus Himself) and vice-versa.
What do you think?
BPie
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You might also find the 144k here:
Numbers 1:1-2 - 390 days
Ezekiel 1:2 and 8:1 - 390 days
Ezekiel 4 - 390 days
Ezra 3:8 - 390 days
Esther 2:12 - 13 of 12 parts
Paul - 13 of 12 parts
Genesis 7:11 and 8:14-20 - 390 days plus 10 for passover sacrifice, there was no ripe barley due to slight flooding
Rev 9:15 - 391 days
Etc...
Ezekiel 9:4
Jeremiah 5:15
Amos 6:14
Deut 28:49
Jeremiah 23:1-4
Mark 16:17-18
Luke 24:49
Isaiah 43
Judges 3 - Othniel=Jesus, Ehud=144k, Shamgar=Post Millenium
A "few" other places as well.
Numbers 1:1-2 - 390 days
Ezekiel 1:2 and 8:1 - 390 days
Ezekiel 4 - 390 days
Ezra 3:8 - 390 days
Esther 2:12 - 13 of 12 parts
Paul - 13 of 12 parts
Genesis 7:11 and 8:14-20 - 390 days plus 10 for passover sacrifice, there was no ripe barley due to slight flooding
Rev 9:15 - 391 days
Etc...
Ezekiel 9:4
Jeremiah 5:15
Amos 6:14
Deut 28:49
Jeremiah 23:1-4
Mark 16:17-18
Luke 24:49
Isaiah 43
Judges 3 - Othniel=Jesus, Ehud=144k, Shamgar=Post Millenium
A "few" other places as well.
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exactly.
and if we read the rest of this chapter (and are familiar with the Book of Revelation and it's audio and visual sights - i looked, i heard) and things john was shown in visions.....
we will see the earthly action (the beast warring with the saints) taking place at the very same time Christ is "seen" overlooking the scene on earth.
this is 2 visions, superimposed, or blended into a single vision. one from heaven and one on earth, as the Book of Revelation does consistently.
Christ the Victor is seen there on Mount Zion (heavenly) with 144,000 [12x12x1000], in the vision, in a manner reminiscent of this account:
2 Kings 6
15When the servant of the man of God got up and went out early the next morning, an army with horses and chariots had surrounded the city. “Oh no, my lord! What shall we do?” the servant asked.
16“Don’t be afraid,” the prophet answered. “Those who are with us are more than those who are with them.”
17And Elisha prayed, “Open his eyes, Lord, so that he may see.” Then the Lord opened the servant’s eyes, and he looked and saw the hills full of horses and chariots of fire all around Elisha.
and if we read the rest of this chapter (and are familiar with the Book of Revelation and it's audio and visual sights - i looked, i heard) and things john was shown in visions.....
we will see the earthly action (the beast warring with the saints) taking place at the very same time Christ is "seen" overlooking the scene on earth.
this is 2 visions, superimposed, or blended into a single vision. one from heaven and one on earth, as the Book of Revelation does consistently.
Christ the Victor is seen there on Mount Zion (heavenly) with 144,000 [12x12x1000], in the vision, in a manner reminiscent of this account:
2 Kings 6
15When the servant of the man of God got up and went out early the next morning, an army with horses and chariots had surrounded the city. “Oh no, my lord! What shall we do?” the servant asked.
16“Don’t be afraid,” the prophet answered. “Those who are with us are more than those who are with them.”
17And Elisha prayed, “Open his eyes, Lord, so that he may see.” Then the Lord opened the servant’s eyes, and he looked and saw the hills full of horses and chariots of fire all around Elisha.