examples of speaking in tongues - need verification and explanations, please

[Bookends]

at 17:30 in the above video, the narrator says there is a religious demon named Stop-Tongue.

the demon Stop-Tongue floods the person on the brink of receiving tongues with every religious sounding argument for not carrying through.

has anyone heard of this demon?

No I haven't heard of it. But what I did hear in the video were many contradictions. One example is Jesus told the disciples to wait for the gift, but the narrator said we should be eager to get it. So which is it? When if fact Paul was talking about all the spiritual gifts that we (the church body) should desire them, not just one. In many of today's churches, tongues has been elevated over prophesying. I could go on and on, about how he cherry picked the Scripture to make his points and ignored the scriptures right after or before his chosen verses and also the over all Scriptural context.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

But Paul does say a time will come when all that remains in this life is faith,hope and love. Can't get around that part. So when is that time suppose to be? It must be BEFORE Jesus returns.[/COLOR]

No Paul is saying that only faith, hope and love endure into eternity; so focus on those, instead of the gifts (as so many people now wrongly do). Unless the gifts edify faith, hope and love, they are worthless because they will not be here when the fullness comes. We see through a glass darkly now, but then face to face.

 

[SarahM777]

No Paul is saying that only faith, hope and love endure into eternity; so focus on those, instead of the gifts (as so many people now wrongly do). Unless the gifts edify faith, hope and love, they are worthless because they will not be here when the fullness comes. We see through a glass darkly now, but then face to face.

Sorry but there will be no need for FAITH or HOPE when we see Jesus face to face. They will be COMPLETE when Jesus comes back. Love will endure forever but that one is the ONLY one.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Sorry but there will be no need for FAITH or HOPE when we see Jesus face to face. They will be COMPLETE when Jesus comes back. Love will endure forever but that one is the ONLY one.

That's just speculation. Paul says that all three abide, yet the greatest is love. Paul says that we only see through a glass darkly, but then face to face; and the passing of gifts is connected with the latter. Are you saying that we now know the lord face to face?

 

[SarahM777]

That's just speculation. Paul says that all three abide, yet the greatest is love. Paul says that we only see through a glass darkly, but then face to face; and the passing of gifts is connected with the latter. Are you saying that we now know the lord face to face?

Nope that's not what I am saying. Paul is very clear that a time will come when all that remains is faith,hope and love. It makes no sense that we will still need faith and hope when we do see Jesus face to face in light of Hebrews 11:1

11 Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see.

It's very clear that faith is not about that which we can see at this time but what is yet to come. When Jesus returns what need will we have for FAITH or HOPE? It appears that they too shall pass and what will remain at the end of it all is love. Faith and hope at that time will be complete. So again the question is in what time do we live under only those three things faith,hope and love? Paul is clear the rest will end before those three do.

 

[Abiding]

Why does it not happen today? But in certain arenas it does happen. . .people would not manifest the gift of holy spirit that have the mental picture that tongues have ceased; would they? Just read this thread. . .and see the instances of unbelief (not in Jesus but in the manifestation). For me to say it happened every time. . .for you to say it didn't are both arguments from silence since EACH INSTANCE is not recorded. I can only go by what we do have recorded.

We can for a certainty say that any born again believer has the gift of holy spirit and therefore has the potential to utilize all nine manifestations.

Well silence doesnt mean much i would agree.....but in Acts actually it isnt silent...it says(later after councils that expressed
how the signs showed that samaritans and gentiles believed and were filled with the spirit just as the jews had at pentecost)....then nothing....that is quite different than just silence.

Also this thread doesnt prove anything...at least not my point.....my point is that the gift was given after Pentecost
at salvation after they heard and believed/received the gospel. Those in this thread are already believers....In Acts
they had not even heard about tongues, or prophecy and bamm they were doing it(thats a gift). So noone asked them
If they believed in the gift....see my point?

So why then at large events of evangelism does this not happen.....why must someone believe in the gift
or go through a class and led(scary) into receiving a gift. Why isnt it written that one should believe in a gift
to receive it? 1 cor 12:7;11 doesnt mention it

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

It makes no sense that we will still need faith and hope when we do see Jesus face to face in light of Hebrews 11:1

Of course, it does. We won't need faith for salvation because it will be done, but faith is being persuaded by, having confidence in, and trusting the lord. We will do that for eternity. The godly angels have faith in GOD.

 

[Truemeaningoftounge]

[video=youtube;hKqyiVuDMeE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKqyiVuDMeE[/video]

Part 4 of 4 Speaking In Tongues: How To Do It, guidance, step by step instructions

5:29:

"Why does it seem so strange? Because whereas you're used to controlling what you say in your mind, now the Lord Jesus is giving you utterance via the Holy Spirit inside you and it's by-passing your brain....it's by-passing your understanding. it's just going to your speech center so you can speak it out. that's all it is"

is this a common teaching?
is it accurate?

this man is quite specific in his instruction.

8:20

"Speak that one syllable. God's not going to give you a sentence, He doesn't need to. He just needs to give you one syllable and as soon as you speak it He'll give you a second and as soon as you speak that He'll give you a third."

8:30

he then proceeds to demonstrate his own tongues-speaking.




is this authentic?

please tell me how i can know.

This is not correct, this is correct if a flower doesn't bloom there's something wrong with the environment not the flowre, no one can attack the real you they can only shadowbox there projections, do you hear what I say are you god that is ? Yes you can interpret it so people know what tunes being played

 

[CS1]

I've seen the arguments before. I've endured the baseless accusations before. You cannot provide even the weakest evidence that the gift of tongues is genuine in the modern church. Frankly you accuse me of judging. I allege from the scriptures that tongues have ended. They no longer operate like they did in the apostolic church. Even if they did they would not look anything like what we see in the church today.
I am only concerned because I fear many are deceived by a gospel that is not the gospel of Jesus Christ but the gospel of men. I could excuse the error of tongues if I thought that these folks were genuinely saved but their actions cause me to greatly doubt. They could be saved but they act like they are carnal. Again most of these churches have long left the precepts of holiness and purity. They have embraced hedonism with great zeal. Judging? No not really but in fear for their salvation most certainly.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

now you know who is saved and who is not LOL again you make very big presumptions about those who speak in tongues.
So I will use myself as an example : I speak in tongues everyday, am I saved ? or not? or only if you think I am ?

 

[notuptome]

now you know who is saved and who is not LOL again you make very big presumptions about those who speak in tongues.
So I will use myself as an example : I speak in tongues everyday, am I saved ? or not? or only if you think I am ?

I speak in a tongue everyday. I comprehend my tongue. Knowledge leads to understanding which produces wisdom. Without knowledge you go into emptiness.

A five year old thread.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[CS1]

I speak in a tongue everyday. I comprehend my tongue. Knowledge leads to understanding which produces wisdom. Without knowledge you go into emptiness.

A five year old thread.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

of course I responded I just saw it LOL I did not want you to think I was leaving you out.

and you did not answer my question . but it is ok wait five years

 

[notuptome]

of course I responded I just saw it LOL I did not want you to think I was leaving you out.

and you did not answer my question . but it is ok wait five years

You'll need to tell me if you are saved or not as I cannot judge you in that respect. It would not be ok to wait if there is uncertainty over your salvation.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[DJ2]

now you know who is saved and who is not LOL again you make very big presumptions about those who speak in tongues.
So I will use myself as an example : I speak in tongues everyday, am I saved ? or not? or only if you think I am ?

Since no one can prove their "speaking in tongues" is the same as what was being done in the 1st century, should it not be written:

"Since I claim to speak in tongues everyday, am I saved? or not?"

 

[CS1]

Since no one can prove their "speaking in tongues" is the same as what was being done in the 1st century, should it not be written:

"Since I claim to speak in tongues everyday, am I saved? or not?"

What do you mean no can prove their Speaking in tongues? That is a big brush you paint with.

For one you are not all knowing of all languages of the world. 2. You have not seen enough evidence to settle your understand of what Biblical tongues and unknown tongues are. 3. You have no Biblical text to show that the gifts of the Holy Spirit are not for today .

and The God of the 1st century who I serve is then same yesterday today and forever. I do not need human reason or approval for anything God said HE would do.

 

[CS1]

You'll need to tell me if you are saved or not as I cannot judge you in that respect. It would not be ok to wait if there is uncertainty over your salvation.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

LOL No uncertainty Jesus is Lord

 

[joaniemarie]

What do you mean no can prove their Speaking in tongues? That is a big brush you paint with.

For one you are not all knowing of all languages of the world. 2. You have not seen enough evidence to settle your understand of what Biblical tongues and unknown tongues are. 3. You have no Biblical text to show that the gifts of the Holy Spirit are not for today .

and The God of the 1st century who I serve is then same yesterday today and forever. I do not need human reason or approval for anything God said HE would do.

This applies to all things we as believers take by faith as we read it in the Bible and as we allow the Holy Spirit to teach us. How can anyone "prove" faith OR the works of God to someone else? How can any one of us expect complete explanations about the working of God in another person's life? "even if someone rose from the dead some won't believe"

The Bible is clear about the gift of tongues in the Bible but I was a Christian for over 30 yrs. before even considering those verses and their meaning. Why? because we were always taught speaking in tongues and any of this other Holy Spirit stuff was of the devil and Christians who claimed to do such things were either so sadly mislead they were possessed OR they were not ever saved and were planted in the church to cause confusion by the devil.

I had to first be willing to dare to hear what the Spirit says in the Bible and not what I was always taught the Bible said by others. The Holy Spirit is our Teacher to lead us into ALL truth. But He will NOT force anyone to hear if they refuse. And we can't hear it all in one sitting or even in one lifetime. But we can hear more each day and be taught just what we need to know today. Daring to step out of the comfort flesh zone is what I have to be willing to do on a daily basis.

Fear is a big issue with us humans and when other people start messing with our set beliefs on important subjects like God and Jesus and the Holy Spirit we get very angry and lash out. When we are led to be angry and lash out that is not of the Spirit but of the flesh. Fear and anger are not of the Holy Spirit.


Excerpt from an article on this subject;

Mark 16:17-18, Jesus said all true believers would flow in the miraculous: “And these signs will follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.”

If a Christian’s life isn’t supernatural, it’s superficial.

Mark goes on to say that messages based in God’s Word would be confirmed by signs following: “So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God. And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.”

Jesus even said, “If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not” (John 10:37). That’s a strong statement. If we were to apply that standard to ministers today, most wouldn’t be believed.

The vast majority of preaching done in the name of the Lord today is without the power of the Holy Spirit manifest through the gifts of the Holy Spirit. This is not the way the Lord intended it to be.

The “main line” denominations have developed doctrines to cope with this obvious discrepancy. However, regardless of the rationale, it’s absurd to think that we can be effective without the power of the Holy Spirit confirming the preaching of God’s Word. If Jesus and the early apostles needed their preaching validated, how can we do any less?

Even the non-denominational churches have fallen away from ministering in the gifts of the Holy Spirit. The gifts that operate in most “Spirit-filled” churches are simply words of exhortation..... There is much more.


One of the most important steps to flowing in the gifts of the Holy Spirit is to earnestly desire them. Paul said in 1 Corinthians 12:31, “But covet earnestly the best gifts.” He repeated that thought in 1 Corinthians 14:1 when he said, “Desire spiritual gifts.” Another way of saying this is, as long as you can live without flowing in the gifts of the Holy Spirit, you will. You have to seek these gifts with all your heart (Jer. 29:13).

It’s also very important to understand that the gifts of the Holy Spirit are always flowing. God doesn’t turn them “on” and “off.” We are the ones who are “on” or “off.” That’s a startling statement to many people and one that verges on blasphemy to some, but it’s true. The Lord is always ready to flow through us in the gifts of the Holy Spirit. ..........."

 

[DJ2]

What do you mean no can prove their Speaking in tongues? That is a big brush you paint with.

For one you are not all knowing of all languages of the world. 2. You have not seen enough evidence to settle your understand of what Biblical tongues and unknown tongues are. 3. You have no Biblical text to show that the gifts of the Holy Spirit are not for today .

and The God of the 1st century who I serve is then same yesterday today and forever. I do not need human reason or approval for anything God said HE would do.

What do you mean no can prove their Speaking in tongues? That is a big brush you paint with.

I mean exactly what I wrote. Glossolalia or "speaking in tongues" is a common claim by many religious groups but with no evidence of validity. Regardless of the brush, I cannot be any clearer.

For one you are not all knowing of all languages of the world

Nor do I need to be, I am not the one making the claim of speaking in one. You are the one making the claim, the onus is on you.

2. You have not seen enough evidence to settle your understand of what Biblical tongues and unknown tongues are.

This sentence is rather choppy but how do you know how much or what evidence I have seen?

With the exception of 1st Corinthians 13:8, I would agree. But theology is based on what is written and not what is not. Just because I cannot biblically prove "your" speaking in tongues is not the same as the 1st century speaking in tongues does not mean "your" speaking in tongues is valid. Hence my post. It is important to remember, it is you who is making the claim not I.

It is he who claims proves not he who doubts proves.

and The God of the 1st century who I serve is then same yesterday today and forever.

This is simply bantering.

I do not need human reason or approval for anything God said HE would do

You do this a lot. I am not asking you to prove what God said HE would do. I am asking you to prove what you are claiming to be doing.

 

[CS1]

I mean exactly what I wrote. Glossolalia or "speaking in tongues" is a common claim by many religious groups but with no evidence of validity. Regardless of the brush, I cannot be any clearer.

Nor do I need to be, I am not the one making the claim of speaking in one. You are the one making the claim, the onus is on you.

This sentence is rather choppy but how do you know how much or what evidence I have seen?

With the exception of 1st Corinthians 13:8, I would agree. But theology is based on what is written and not what is not. Just because I cannot biblically prove "your" speaking in tongues is not the same as the 1st century speaking in tongues does not mean "your" speaking in tongues is valid. Hence my post. It is important to remember, it is you who is making the claim not I.

It is he who claims proves not he who doubts proves.

This is simply bantering.

You do this a lot. I am not asking you to prove what God said HE would do. I am asking you to prove what you are claiming to be doing.

its not a common claim it is asuper natural empowerment by the Holy Spirit . true I am saying I have and do speak in a spitual Language yep . And you are right I can not prove it to you in this setting nor would I do something to prove it. Because None of the gifts are for show to satisfy human reasoning.

You do not agree that God does by His Spirit do today what is writen in 1cor 12, 13, and 14?

I do not have to prove what I claim . What I'm standing on which you can not do is show were the Gift of the Holy is not for today. those you have seen who maybe speaking in tongues or not , still does not change what 1cor 12, 13, and 14 says . All the Gifts are for today and have not disappeared .

 

[Waggles]

God "proves" the validity of praying in tongues at every worship meeting
whereby we operate the voice gifts of the Holy Spirit:
the gift of diversity of tongues
followed by the gift of interpretation
up to 3 times

and also again up to 3 times the gift of prophecy

throughout this God himself extols us to pray in the spiritual language
that He has given to true worshippers born of the Holy Spirit.
We are commanded to pray daily and to build up our faith by yielding
to the Spirit in our direct communication to Jesus and to our Father.

And in return our Pentecostal Fellowship worldwide has no shortage
of testimonies to miracles, healings, blessings, divine protection at
times of peril, divine providence, blessings:
what we call answered prayer.

 

[DJ2]

its not a common claim it is asuper natural empowerment by the Holy Spirit . true I am saying I have and do speak in a spitual Language yep . And you are right I can not prove it to you in this setting nor would I do something to prove it. Because None of the gifts are for show to satisfy human reasoning.

You do not agree that God does by His Spirit do today what is writen in 1cor 12, 13, and 14?

I do not have to prove what I claim . What I'm standing on which you can not do is show were the Gift of the Holy is not for today. those you have seen who maybe speaking in tongues or not , still does not change what 1cor 12, 13, and 14 says . All the Gifts are for today and have not disappeared .

its not a common claim it is asuper natural empowerment by the Holy Spirit .

You are quite wrong, it is a rather common claim among many groups and cults and if you cannot provide evidence it is still but a claim of supernatural empowerment of the Holy Spirit.

true I am saying I have and do speak in a spitual Language yep . And you are right I can not prove it to you in this setting nor would I do something to prove it

Then by your own admission your words are simply claims.

Because None of the gifts are for show to satisfy human reasoning.

"satisfy human reasoning"?? The evidence of the supernatural should be both obvious and forthright. The claims of the pentecostal movement are neither. I am not asking you to perform but to explain why there is no evidence of such claims. Jesus and the apostles did not shy away from presenting evidence of their claims, why the reluctance to do the same?

You do not agree that God does by His Spirit do today what is writen in 1cor 12, 13, and 14?

More banter. God can do whatever He wants. He does not need me to "agree". Again, the question is simple: is what you are doing the same as what is written in 1st Cor. 12,13,14? You don't seem to grasp this point.

I do not have to prove what I claim .

You most certainly do. Post #369

So I will use myself as an example : I speak in tongues everyday, am I saved ? or not? or only if you think I am ?

You are clearly using your claims of tongues as a reference to the validity of your salvation and acceptance by God. You are like many in this new age movement, claim tongues as evidence of your right standing with God but balk if asked to show that it is more then just a claim.

Once again, I am not saying the supernatural is not for today, I am saying why is there no physical evidence of the physical manifestation of the Holy Spirit going on today? Is it possible that the "perfect" mentioned in 1st Cor. 13:8 has come? That would explain why this age is so different from the 1st century.

All the Gifts are for today and have not disappeared .

The obvious says otherwise.