examples of speaking in tongues - need verification and explanations, please
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No RickyZ everything Good comes from God 
JUST BECAUSE it did not hapopen in our church service doe not mean God can't be glorfied HE rains on the just and unjust alike.
JUST BECAUSE it did not hapopen in our church service doe not mean God can't be glorfied HE rains on the just and unjust alike.
Lemme try ONE MORE TIME to spell this out:
1. IF you have been taught about the gifts being for today
2 IF you reject those teachings
3. IF you deny a bonafide act of the HS as being from the HS
You have, by default/omission/direct statement, attributed a MIRACLE to the other side.
It's like the matrix, my friend, there is only the blue and green pills. For those who have received instruction and refused it, there is ONLY one or the other choice.
Ok let me help you out here LOL
There are levels of error caused by various reasons
1. Ignorance & unlearned
2. Immaturity
3. Bad role models
4. Biblical error
5. False teaching
6. The spirit of anti-christ
each one of those with the exception of "spirit of anti-christ" can be done by a christain that has not been corrected.
There are levels of error caused by various reasons
1. Ignorance & unlearned
2. Immaturity
3. Bad role models
4. Biblical error
5. False teaching
6. The spirit of anti-christ
each one of those with the exception of "spirit of anti-christ" can be done by a christain that has not been corrected.
Are you a member of a federally recognized tribe? I would guess not, but U.S.C. title 25 C. F. R. Part 83 does indeed have speaking the language as a requirement for recognition, so you are mistaken. I know of this personally because my tribe, like most, was terminated, and had to be re-recognized- as was the tribe of my youngest daughter's mother.
Amen human experience is not the validator of the unseen spiritual truth. The bible alone is. Many today that claim out of the body experiences which is really lying spirits brining things into a fleshly mind It is not a valid way of confirming they are with God .
Matthew 4 King James Version (KJV) Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread. But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple, And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. Jesus said unto him, It is written "again", Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
The Son of man resisted the things not seen which were lying signs as wonders .No such thing as out of a body experiences in regard to things not seen by the Holy Spirit.
Colossians 2:18 King James Version (KJV) Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind
Matthew 4 King James Version (KJV) Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread. But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple, And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. Jesus said unto him, It is written "again", Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
The Son of man resisted the things not seen which were lying signs as wonders .No such thing as out of a body experiences in regard to things not seen by the Holy Spirit.
Colossians 2:18 King James Version (KJV) Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind
Just so everyone understands, I don't have an actual stance on whether or not speaking in tongues is for today. I do sometimes get upset when some use their understanding of tongues to exclude or belittle others with their supposed 'superiority' because of the alleged gift. The only person I ever heard of using it as in a way similar to Acts 2 was Dave Wilkerson, when he was in China, and spoke Chinese(a language not formerly known to him), and thus shared the gospel with people in their language. Don't know for sure if it's true, but if it is, then this example seems much closer to what happened in the Bible than many other Christians I've spoken with on this. If anyone thinks they have the gift of tongues, good for them, but why would anyone want to tell others they're not baptized with the Holy Spirit if they don't?
Hello everyone!!!
What a wonderful controversial thread! LOL!
For the record, I speak in tongues and absolutely am thankful and enjoy the gift that the Holy Spirit according to the Father's Will has bestowed upon and in me.
Tongues is a gift that is primarily used by the person to be able to edify themselves. If it is used publicly, the Holy Spirit will also be operating in the gift of interpretation.
There are people in the Body of Christ that will often be on "solo" missions and will have to be able to "edify" themselves. Eagles fly alone - not in flocks.
Also, when tongues is in public, someone should receive the interpretation because EDIFYING THE BODY OF CHRIST is the objective. The Holy Spirit is on the Earth for the Body of Christ - our Teacher, Counselor, Guide, Comforter - the ONE Spirit that unites us - the Spirit of Truth.
Jesus did NOT leave us as orphans. To God be praised! Let the Holy Spirit flow and NOT be quenched or grieved. Amen.
What a wonderful controversial thread! LOL!
For the record, I speak in tongues and absolutely am thankful and enjoy the gift that the Holy Spirit according to the Father's Will has bestowed upon and in me.
Tongues is a gift that is primarily used by the person to be able to edify themselves. If it is used publicly, the Holy Spirit will also be operating in the gift of interpretation.
There are people in the Body of Christ that will often be on "solo" missions and will have to be able to "edify" themselves. Eagles fly alone - not in flocks.
Also, when tongues is in public, someone should receive the interpretation because EDIFYING THE BODY OF CHRIST is the objective. The Holy Spirit is on the Earth for the Body of Christ - our Teacher, Counselor, Guide, Comforter - the ONE Spirit that unites us - the Spirit of Truth.
Jesus did NOT leave us as orphans. To God be praised! Let the Holy Spirit flow and NOT be quenched or grieved. Amen.
I have to disagree, with a caveat. Experience IS the validation of the spiritual experience. If God says do this and you'll see that, then I do this and I see that, I have no choice but to acknowledge His word as true. People who say the experience doesn't mean anything, and then forgo the experience, then have to find some way to invalidate Gods words. That's why you see people grasp onto one word like 'perfect' and use it to redact whole chapters of God's word. Because without the experience, those chapters are invalid to them.
Now the caveat, which is that one must be painstakingly aware that experience can be faked! That's why God included things like discernment and wisdom and knowledge, and the assurance that if it's coming from Him we'll get more than one witness to it.
People who point to what many churches are doing with tongues and use that as an excuse to say no, I get where they are coming from. I'm not happy about those places either, they are the reason Paul wrote 1 Corinthians 14 to begin with. He talked about proper time and place, and capped it all with if we're going to do it wrong it's better we not do it at all. And sometimes I wonder if that isn't the smarter choice.
ALL of that speaks to experience - ALL of God's word is meaningless if you don't live it ... and what is experience, but what we live day to day?
Now the caveat, which is that one must be painstakingly aware that experience can be faked! That's why God included things like discernment and wisdom and knowledge, and the assurance that if it's coming from Him we'll get more than one witness to it.
People who point to what many churches are doing with tongues and use that as an excuse to say no, I get where they are coming from. I'm not happy about those places either, they are the reason Paul wrote 1 Corinthians 14 to begin with. He talked about proper time and place, and capped it all with if we're going to do it wrong it's better we not do it at all. And sometimes I wonder if that isn't the smarter choice.
ALL of that speaks to experience - ALL of God's word is meaningless if you don't live it ... and what is experience, but what we live day to day?
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Hello everyone!!!
What a wonderful controversial thread! LOL!
For the record, I speak in tongues and absolutely am thankful and enjoy the gift that the Holy Spirit according to the Father's Will has bestowed upon and in me.
Tongues is a gift that is primarily used by the person to be able to edify themselves. If it is used publicly, the Holy Spirit will also be operating in the gift of interpretation.
There are people in the Body of Christ that will often be on "solo" missions and will have to be able to "edify" themselves. Eagles fly alone - not in flocks.
Also, when tongues is in public, someone should receive the interpretation because EDIFYING THE BODY OF CHRIST is the objective. The Holy Spirit is on the Earth for the Body of Christ - our Teacher, Counselor, Guide, Comforter - the ONE Spirit that unites us - the Spirit of Truth.
Jesus did NOT leave us as orphans. To God be praised! Let the Holy Spirit flow and NOT be quenched or grieved. Amen.
What a wonderful controversial thread! LOL!
For the record, I speak in tongues and absolutely am thankful and enjoy the gift that the Holy Spirit according to the Father's Will has bestowed upon and in me.
Tongues is a gift that is primarily used by the person to be able to edify themselves. If it is used publicly, the Holy Spirit will also be operating in the gift of interpretation.
There are people in the Body of Christ that will often be on "solo" missions and will have to be able to "edify" themselves. Eagles fly alone - not in flocks.
Also, when tongues is in public, someone should receive the interpretation because EDIFYING THE BODY OF CHRIST is the objective. The Holy Spirit is on the Earth for the Body of Christ - our Teacher, Counselor, Guide, Comforter - the ONE Spirit that unites us - the Spirit of Truth.
Jesus did NOT leave us as orphans. To God be praised! Let the Holy Spirit flow and NOT be quenched or grieved. Amen.
Hello everyone!!!
What a wonderful controversial thread! LOL!
For the record, I speak in tongues and absolutely am thankful and enjoy the gift that the Holy Spirit according to the Father's Will has bestowed upon and in me.
Tongues is a gift that is primarily used by the person to be able to edify themselves. If it is used publicly, the Holy Spirit will also be operating in the gift of interpretation.
There are people in the Body of Christ that will often be on "solo" missions and will have to be able to "edify" themselves. Eagles fly alone - not in flocks.
Also, when tongues is in public, someone should receive the interpretation because EDIFYING THE BODY OF CHRIST is the objective. The Holy Spirit is on the Earth for the Body of Christ - our Teacher, Counselor, Guide, Comforter - the ONE Spirit that unites us - the Spirit of Truth.
Jesus did NOT leave us as orphans. To God be praised! Let the Holy Spirit flow and NOT be quenched or grieved. Amen.
What a wonderful controversial thread! LOL!
For the record, I speak in tongues and absolutely am thankful and enjoy the gift that the Holy Spirit according to the Father's Will has bestowed upon and in me.
Tongues is a gift that is primarily used by the person to be able to edify themselves. If it is used publicly, the Holy Spirit will also be operating in the gift of interpretation.
There are people in the Body of Christ that will often be on "solo" missions and will have to be able to "edify" themselves. Eagles fly alone - not in flocks.
Also, when tongues is in public, someone should receive the interpretation because EDIFYING THE BODY OF CHRIST is the objective. The Holy Spirit is on the Earth for the Body of Christ - our Teacher, Counselor, Guide, Comforter - the ONE Spirit that unites us - the Spirit of Truth.
Jesus did NOT leave us as orphans. To God be praised! Let the Holy Spirit flow and NOT be quenched or grieved. Amen.
Hello Didy!
This thread might just be the "lion's den"! LOL! I'm not scared.
I tell ya though, the issues that are the most controversial..................often are exactly what the enemy is so disparately trying to keep us from.
May all who are thirsty, come and drink........for out of their belly will flow rivers of living water.
Be filled my friend, in the Name of Jesus, be filled.
This thread might just be the "lion's den"! LOL! I'm not scared.
I tell ya though, the issues that are the most controversial..................often are exactly what the enemy is so disparately trying to keep us from.
May all who are thirsty, come and drink........for out of their belly will flow rivers of living water.
Be filled my friend, in the Name of Jesus, be filled.
The experience the Son of man experienced led to a lie. So yes experience IS the validation of the spiritual experience but not spiritual truth.
I am not saying we do not do His will by not acknowledging he spoke. We continue to walk by faith. All will receive thepromise of our new bodies in the new heaven and earth. No one is walking onwater.
There is nothing we can do outwardly as some sort of outward evidence aperson has the Holy Spirit. For who hopes for that in which we already have?
Makes me wonder when he comes will he find faith or those who claim in a out of body experience ,which is simply the father of liesbring in lying information. New prophecy has ceased.
Signs points to those who believe not prophecy, thosewho rebel against prophecy . A new contrite heart that desire to do the will,yes out of body experiences no .There isno outward sign a person has received the Holy Spirit.
Jesus said it’s an evil generation that does seek aftera sign before they will believe
Our experiences do not make the word of God perfect. Its the other way around. The apostate Jews required a sign before they would commitfaith . Its what the verse in 1 Corinthians 14 is conveying .
The sign of tonguesis not for the believers but those who believe not no faith . The sign confirmsthey make prophecy to no effect by their oral tradition of men
The whole Bible is the perfect word of God. It’s when men desire to go above that which is written when false prophets come.
It’s why he no longer adding new revelations asprophecy we have the complete or perfect will. Need more than he has revealed ifso For what purpose?
Paul talked about a time when prophecy as newrevelations of God would cease . That time came over two thousand years ago .Wewalk by faith not by sight after some work we could do and call that evidencewe have the Holy Spirit.
It would be like with the Catholics put some ashes onyour forehead to show one are fasting. There are many lies coming from thefather of lies that desire to turn the things of God upside down by the thingsof men and therefore take away the understanding of scripture
I would agree but maintain there is no outward sign as evidencewe have received prophecy.
(Of whom the world was not worthy...they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth. Andthese all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not thepromise: God having provided some better thing for us, that they withoutus should not be made perfect. Hebrews 11;38-40
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WOW! This is good! Watch it all the way to the very end.........enjoy! The River is flowing......
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2DGxfoIquM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2DGxfoIquM
I must respectfully disagree - kind of.... language retention may indeed be used as an "elective" requirement, but it's not an absolute requirement:
The second requirement (b) “Community” has, in part, the following:
(1) The petitioner may demonstrate that it meets this criterion at a given point in time by some combination of two or more of the following forms of evidence or by other evidence to show that a significant and meaningful portion of thepetitioner's members constituted a distinct community at a given point in time:
There are 11 items to chose from, the one pertaining to language is:
(vii) Cultural patterns shared among a portion of the entity that are different from those of the non-Indian populations with whom it interacts. These patterns must function as more than a symbolic identification of the group as Indian. They may include, but are not limited to, language, kinship organization or system, religious beliefs or practices, and ceremonies;
(2) The petitioner will be considered to have provided more than sufficient evidence to demonstrate distinct community and political authority under § 83.11(c) at a given point in time if the evidence demonstrates any one of the following:
There are 5 items to chose from, the one pertaining to language is:
(iii) At least 50 percent of the entity members maintain distinct cultural patterns such as, but not limited to, language, kinship system, religious beliefs and practices, or ceremonies.
Language retention can be used (and for some Tribes/Nations often is used) to satisfy these elective requirements; but language retention is not absolutely 100% necessary for federal recognition. As I mentioned, there are several federally recognized Tribes/Nations in my area where (unfortunately) no one speaks the language (though efforts are being made to revive them). They’ve gained federal status by satisfying other elective requirements.
The second requirement (b) “Community” has, in part, the following:
(1) The petitioner may demonstrate that it meets this criterion at a given point in time by some combination of two or more of the following forms of evidence or by other evidence to show that a significant and meaningful portion of thepetitioner's members constituted a distinct community at a given point in time:
There are 11 items to chose from, the one pertaining to language is:
(vii) Cultural patterns shared among a portion of the entity that are different from those of the non-Indian populations with whom it interacts. These patterns must function as more than a symbolic identification of the group as Indian. They may include, but are not limited to, language, kinship organization or system, religious beliefs or practices, and ceremonies;
(2) The petitioner will be considered to have provided more than sufficient evidence to demonstrate distinct community and political authority under § 83.11(c) at a given point in time if the evidence demonstrates any one of the following:
There are 5 items to chose from, the one pertaining to language is:
(iii) At least 50 percent of the entity members maintain distinct cultural patterns such as, but not limited to, language, kinship system, religious beliefs and practices, or ceremonies.
Language retention can be used (and for some Tribes/Nations often is used) to satisfy these elective requirements; but language retention is not absolutely 100% necessary for federal recognition. As I mentioned, there are several federally recognized Tribes/Nations in my area where (unfortunately) no one speaks the language (though efforts are being made to revive them). They’ve gained federal status by satisfying other elective requirements.