Young Earth vs. Old Earth, Does it matter?

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superdave5221

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There have been many discussions in this forum concerning old earth creation vs. young earth creation. I have been on the old earth part of that discussion in the past, while admitting that the so called scientific evidence is inconclusive at best, and that there is a good argument for a young earth as well.

But what does the bible say? Is this not the standard of Truth?

Most of the arguments that I have seen that are based on sound hermenutics would seem to indicate that the Genesis account is based on six literal 24 hour days as we know them. I am open to a biblical hermeneutic which would allow for a nonliteral translation. This should, however, be based on biblical hermenutical interpretation, and not a twisting of Scripture to allow for the so called billions of years of earth history. Based on the biblical interpretation, I am now forced to accept the young earth position.

But does it matter?

In terms of our salvation, (those of us who are already saved), it makes no difference at all. We do not have to believe in a young earth in order to be saved. We need only believe in Jesus Christ as our Savior, His mission and accomplishments on the cross, and put our trust, hope, and faith in Him.

BUT, there is more at stake here. According to Ken Ham, statistics show that 2/3 of young people growing up in Christian families and attending Christian churches are leaving the faith by the time they make it to college. Why? The statistics also show that young people in Christian homes are beginning to question or doubt the Bible by Middle School age. Why again?

The answer of course is that we have an education system which teaches the religion of secular humanism (or other forms like cosmic humanism), and live in a culture that is anti-Bible and anti-Christian. What happens when young people ask us why they are being taught that which is contradictory to what the Bible says?

Often they are told, just have faith in Jesus and the Bible. Or worse, they are being told, you can believe in evolution but just remember that God did it! Really?

Even if the days in Genesis are not literal 24 hour days, how does the fossil record as taught in the schools, in which billions of animals died before man evolved be reconciled with the Genesis account where God says that the first animals and man were vegetarians and that death did not exist until Adam and Eve sinned in the garden? In fact, death was a direct consequence of man's sin. Why then all of the death before man evolved?

Young people today are being taught apologetics in school, the apologetics of humanism. They are being told that man evolved from lower forms of life, and here is the evidence (so called). They are being told that the history of the Bible does not match the secular history and here is the evidence (so called).

And what are we telling them? We are telling them stories and telling them to trust Jesus.

1 Peter 3:15 says that we should always be ready to make a defense of the hope that we have. Most people are ill prepared to answer questions and doubts which are presented by the world to young people. Is it any wonder that they are led away from the faith?

And so, yes it does matter. Because if we can't trust the Bible in Genesis 1-11, then maybe we can't trust the gospels either. The Bible is authoritative in all things. It is the Word of God.

The Bible is under attack like never before. I have seen it often in this forum. Young people are beginning to doubt, and we are not giving them the answers that they need to hear. We need to educate ourselves in Christian apologetics and our children, so that they will not be led astray by Satan as he builds his kingdom which (hopefully) will soon be destroyed by Christ as He returns for His own.
 
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I am old earthy as well...but it doesn't really matter in my opinion. :) As long as we know and recognize that it is God who created everything through miraculous means, then I am okay with it.
 
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I agree it want effect are salvation but i back nether view i see the possiblities of both so ill just leave it open until i go to heaven an find out....
 
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jimmydiggs

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Anything other than young earth, denies what Genesis tells us and causes incoherency with the rest of scripture.
 
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mrb29678

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1st really like what you had to say! I'm so one who was raised n church then left for a long time. Around the middle school age as u pointed out. For me it wasn't all school teaching but also you c things dif at tht age. So if I'm seeing stuff like sum1 who is a devote christian but is rasist and doesn't see it as wrong. Or a christian "tho I do not agree with gay marriage" have such a open hate for a gay person instead of trying to have love for them since they are sinners like us all. For stuf like this really changed my younger views
 
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DannyC

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If you enjoy science and agree with the principles of intellectual honesty then it does matter. Unfortunately there is a ton of pseudo-science around which has to be looked at eventually. The key point or at very least one thing that every scientist will agree with is the fact that you must follow the evidence where ever it may take you, even if that means contradicting pre-conceived bias. Anyone who ignores the scientific evidence in favour of their bias has no place in science or in discussions regarding science.
 
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If you enjoy science and agree with the principles of intellectual honesty then it does matter.
His question was based on whether or not the age of the earth is pertinent to salvation...which it isn't pertinent.
 
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DannyC

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His question was based on whether or not the age of the earth is pertinent to salvation...which it isn't pertinent.
I didn't address if it was relevant to salvation, because I don't have any interest in that, it is pretty much meaningless to me but the post also went on to cite creation science advocates/discuss the development of science in terms of how is it taught in schools and generally add theological implications to scientific facts. So his point covers a wide range of things including his first point regarding salvation and also a variety of others which I briefly talked about, and considering I really enjoy science and have enough respect for it, I tend to present it in the best light possible.
 
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nathan3

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To salvation no. Does it matter , yes to those who care. God sent the letter not to waste time. So It is important as a Christian to try and understand what you are reading.
 
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There have been many discussions in this forum concerning old earth creation vs. young earth creation. I have been on the old earth part of that discussion in the past, while admitting that the so called scientific evidence is inconclusive at best, and that there is a good argument for a young earth as well.

But what does the bible say? Is this not the standard of Truth?

Most of the arguments that I have seen that are based on sound hermenutics would seem to indicate that the Genesis account is based on six literal 24 hour days as we know them. I am open to a biblical hermeneutic which would allow for a nonliteral translation. This should, however, be based on biblical hermenutical interpretation, and not a twisting of Scripture to allow for the so called billions of years of earth history. Based on the biblical interpretation, I am now forced to accept the young earth position.

But does it matter?

In terms of our salvation, (those of us who are already saved), it makes no difference at all. We do not have to believe in a young earth in order to be saved. We need only believe in Jesus Christ as our Savior, His mission and accomplishments on the cross, and put our trust, hope, and faith in Him.

BUT, there is more at stake here. According to Ken Ham, statistics show that 2/3 of young people growing up in Christian families and attending Christian churches are leaving the faith by the time they make it to college. Why? The statistics also show that young people in Christian homes are beginning to question or doubt the Bible by Middle School age. Why again?

The answer of course is that we have an education system which teaches the religion of secular humanism (or other forms like cosmic humanism), and live in a culture that is anti-Bible and anti-Christian. What happens when young people ask us why they are being taught that which is contradictory to what the Bible says?

Often they are told, just have faith in Jesus and the Bible. Or worse, they are being told, you can believe in evolution but just remember that God did it! Really?

Even if the days in Genesis are not literal 24 hour days, how does the fossil record as taught in the schools, in which billions of animals died before man evolved be reconciled with the Genesis account where God says that the first animals and man were vegetarians and that death did not exist until Adam and Eve sinned in the garden? In fact, death was a direct consequence of man's sin. Why then all of the death before man evolved?

Young people today are being taught apologetics in school, the apologetics of humanism. They are being told that man evolved from lower forms of life, and here is the evidence (so called). They are being told that the history of the Bible does not match the secular history and here is the evidence (so called).

And what are we telling them? We are telling them stories and telling them to trust Jesus.

1 Peter 3:15 says that we should always be ready to make a defense of the hope that we have. Most people are ill prepared to answer questions and doubts which are presented by the world to young people. Is it any wonder that they are led away from the faith?

And so, yes it does matter. Because if we can't trust the Bible in Genesis 1-11, then maybe we can't trust the gospels either. The Bible is authoritative in all things. It is the Word of God.

The Bible is under attack like never before. I have seen it often in this forum. Young people are beginning to doubt, and we are not giving them the answers that they need to hear. We need to educate ourselves in Christian apologetics and our children, so that they will not be led astray by Satan as he builds his kingdom which (hopefully) will soon be destroyed by Christ as He returns for His own.

You should consider the 'Day-age' creation model and remain an old earther...and yes, it does matter to people outside the faith, as they see confusion within the faith, and they are often times put-off by such a simple thing that they never pursue what Christianity is all about.
 
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mrb29678

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I agree with you to a point. I believe in the bible. But also science. If jesus brought sum1 bak to life than ther has to b sum process in during so. God created the earth and everything on it there has to b a process in during so. Water isn't just water its h2o. Understand we're I'm coming I'm not against christ or god b4 ne claims tht for me. I jst understand things r not as simple as most make them out to b
 
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FORHISGLORY

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The truth always matters ! Is the doctrine of creation an essential, no ! But, it is foundational ! It's so sad how many professing christians believe in an old earth. We need to rediscover " sola scriptura ". The scriptures are to be our final aurthority.
 
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mrb29678

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A lot of scienctist didn't believe n the story of gaints n the bible. But behold they found a big butt foot print n africa and they change everything. God created everything. So god created science to think about it
 
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The truth always matters ! Is the doctrine of creation an essential, no ! But, it is foundational ! It's so sad how many professing christians believe in an old earth. We need to rediscover " sola scriptura ". The scriptures are to be our final aurthority.
I'm an old earther, and there is nothing 'sad' about that...I'm quite happy, actually.
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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yes it does matter...

for one thing it has to do with the question of whether or not we can trust that the bible is true and that it means what it says...or if we have to twist scripture away from its plain meaning in order to force it into agreement with the 'wisdom' of the age...

also it relates directly to the study of soteriology...to put it plainly the gospel message of salvation has no basis or relevance in an old earth theology...if death didn't enter the world through adam's sin then you are forced to accept that christ cannot win victory over death by dying for the sins of the world...

finally it relates to the question of God's goodness...if God is good then why did he allow four billion years of completely pointless pain and death as viewed in the fossil record through an 'old earth' lens before he created humans? why would God want to torture small animals for no reason?

as anyone can see...these things are not 'side issues'...they are vitally important to the christian faith...

i acknowledge that 'old earth' believers can be saved...but only by being logically inconsistent...if they ever woke up one morning and decided to reason consistently...they would either become young earth creationists or abandon christianity entirely...

anyway welcome to biblical young earth creationism!
 
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To salvation no. Does it matter , yes to those who care. God sent the letter not to waste time. So It is important as a Christian to try and understand what you are reading.
I am not zeroing in on Nathan here for any particular reason other than the fact he sums up the bottom of the discussion here quite well.

Personal salvation? I agree. A man can hold to old earth and be just as good a Christian as the Ken Ham disciple.

But what of salvation history? Of God's plan for mankind? The grounding of that personal salvation?

These questions as they relate to creation matter.

As for Old Earth vs. Young Earth. I am currently on the fence. My ultimate decision will be based on how Old Earth/Young Earth can satisfy those questions and be true to the Text.
 
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to play devils advocate ( really hate that term XD ) since someone will probably think of it, some people argue that those footprints are natural formations of the granite.
 
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to play devils advocate ( really hate that term XD ) since someone will probably think of it, some people argue that those footprints are natural formations of the granite.
You mean you are taking it for granite?

Ararar
 
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yes it does matter...

for one thing it has to do with the question of whether or not we can trust that the bible is true and that it means what it says...or if we have to twist scripture away from its plain meaning in order to force it into agreement with the 'wisdom' of the age...

also it relates directly to the study of soteriology...to put it plainly the gospel message of salvation has no basis or relevance in an old earth theology...if death didn't enter the world through adam's sin then you are forced to accept that christ cannot win victory over death by dying for the sins of the world...

finally it relates to the question of God's goodness...if God is good then why did he allow four billion years of completely pointless pain and death as viewed in the fossil record through an 'old earth' lens before he created humans? why would God want to torture small animals for no reason?

as anyone can see...these things are not 'side issues'...they are vitally important to the christian faith...

i acknowledge that 'old earth' believers can be saved...but only by being logically inconsistent...if they ever woke up one morning and decided to reason consistently...they would either become young earth creationists or abandon christianity entirely...

anyway welcome to biblical young earth creationism!

Why was the seventh day not closed-out like the previous six?
 
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megaman125

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I don't believe that God tricked people into believing the earth was young until the 1800's. There's no concrete evidence of old earth, even though that's what I used to believe in, until I was actually presented with the young earth side.