The works of the law of righteousness vs works by faith to justification
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Ma'am, I believe, the ten commandments and the two greatest commandments fall under the works of the law of righteousness, and yet there is nothing in there about faith or about Christ. It's basically about dos and don'ts. So how is one made righteous if they follow these commands? Where does grace come in?
I have many points I'd like to make, but sometimes it is better to expose, what I believe to be a flaw before one can see what possibly might be the truth.
I didn't say anything about hoping for anything bad to happen but believing. There is a difference.
Many people use Hebews 11:1 without understanding what it really means. What does it mean in practical terms? How would one apply it to their own life?
I didn't say anything about hoping for anything bad to happen but believing. There is a difference.
Many people use Hebews 11:1 without understanding what it really means. What does it mean in practical terms? How would one apply it to their own life?
Jeremiah 8:8“How can you say, ‘We are wise, And the law of the Lord is with us’? Look, the false pen of the scribe certainly works falsehood.
Romans 3:27[ Boasting Excluded ] Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? No, but by the law of faith.
Romans 9:32Why? Because they did not seek it by faith, but as it were, by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumbling stone
Galatians 2:16knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.
Galatians 3:2This only I want to learn from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Galatians 3:5Therefore He who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you, does He do it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?—
the above is a few of the many scriptures that say we do not get Faith by works, yet James alludes to that we do, when in truth we do not nor is James saying that we are to work to get Faith, that is contradictory to Faith Vrs works
Works are a by-product of Faith not the producer of Faith. For Abraham, Issaac, Noah and all the Saints had faith first (belief) that God is real, so by belief, they could see and hear thus do as God said, becuase they believed God
But what if no one responded in works would that make God a liar,, and would Faith in God be made void?
Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast.
Romans 3:27[ Boasting Excluded ] Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? No, but by the law of faith.
Romans 9:32Why? Because they did not seek it by faith, but as it were, by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumbling stone
Galatians 2:16knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.
Galatians 3:2This only I want to learn from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Galatians 3:5Therefore He who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you, does He do it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?—
the above is a few of the many scriptures that say we do not get Faith by works, yet James alludes to that we do, when in truth we do not nor is James saying that we are to work to get Faith, that is contradictory to Faith Vrs works
Works are a by-product of Faith not the producer of Faith. For Abraham, Issaac, Noah and all the Saints had faith first (belief) that God is real, so by belief, they could see and hear thus do as God said, becuase they believed God
But what if no one responded in works would that make God a liar,, and would Faith in God be made void?
Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast.
Scripture shows those who obey the law of righteousness, such as, 'thou shalt not...' and so on, shall avoid God's wrath and punishment in the natural. I has nothing to do with eternal salvation.
It has nothing to do with what James was talking about either.
Jas_2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
Jas_2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
The above verses have to do with walking by faith and not by sight, feelings, or anything else but the promises or word of God.
It has nothing to do with what James was talking about either.
Jas_2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
Jas_2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
The above verses have to do with walking by faith and not by sight, feelings, or anything else but the promises or word of God.
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I'm sorry but I believe that is where we disagree. I believe the Ten commandments are part of the Law that leads people to Christ but is not the same as the Law of righteousness through Christ that saves anyone.
[h=3]Galatians 3:23-25[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP]But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. [SUP]24 [/SUP]Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. [SUP]25 [/SUP]But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.
How can you say there is nothing in the commandments about Faith or Jesus?
One is not made righteous by following the commandments but by learning through faith in Jesus which is granted to a humble and repentant heart through the grace of God.
[h=3]Galatians 3:23-25[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP]But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. [SUP]24 [/SUP]Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. [SUP]25 [/SUP]But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.
How can you say there is nothing in the commandments about Faith or Jesus?
One is not made righteous by following the commandments but by learning through faith in Jesus which is granted to a humble and repentant heart through the grace of God.
Actually the title of this thread is incorrect. We cannot be justified by works and neither are we justified by faith, we are justified by...
Rom 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
We are justified by Christ's blood that He shed in our stead.
Rom 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
We are justified by Christ's blood that He shed in our stead.
Actually the tutor that brings us to Christ is not the Ten Commandments, it is the Law of sacrifices. They were a reminder that sin requires blood, that sin brings death...
Heb 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
Heb 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
Heb 10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
Heb 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
Heb 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
Heb 10:6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
Notice that the Law spoken of here is the Law of sacrifices. They were a shadow of the perfect sacrifice of Christ. Once Christ came, the animal sacrifices were no longer necessary, the fulfillment was here.
Heb 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
Heb 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
Heb 10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
Heb 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
Heb 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
Heb 10:6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
Notice that the Law spoken of here is the Law of sacrifices. They were a shadow of the perfect sacrifice of Christ. Once Christ came, the animal sacrifices were no longer necessary, the fulfillment was here.
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in that passage we probably should clarify WHOM or WHAT people have faith in.
Its not just belief in what they think will happen in the future.
Its a grounded belief/faith in GOD and His will and His promises and acting in Faith for His glory.
The focus shouldn't be the action but God who promotes the actions.
.....I've found being vague tends to lead to misunderstanding about what is actually being said or discussed.
Its not just belief in what they think will happen in the future.
Its a grounded belief/faith in GOD and His will and His promises and acting in Faith for His glory.
The focus shouldn't be the action but God who promotes the actions.
.....I've found being vague tends to lead to misunderstanding about what is actually being said or discussed.
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one of the things I dislike the most when in discussion with someone is when they jump around in scriptures instead of reading the verses in context. I agree that Hebrews 10 does talk about the law of sacrifice which are a shadow for the perfect sacrifice of Christ. However, that doesn't prove your point about Galatians.
it doesn't make sense that Galatians is only talking about the Law of sacrifices..........just insert it into the text and you see how it doesn't make any sense. <of sacrifice> will be inserted to illustrate the point that it doesn't make sense.
Galatians 3
the law was given to show how all have sinned.
it makes me sad to see people try to twist scripture to fit man-made doctrines or never question what they have been taught by comparing it to God's own words.
now if you take the blinders off, you will see the "book of the law" refers to the laws Moses handed down to Israel 430 years after the covenant promise that God made with Abraham and JESUS (his Seed).
look at the conversation in more context of the previous chapter
Galatians 2
its about Peter not eating with the Gentiles. No mention of the "Law of sacrifice"
The whole book of Galatians is about how some Jewish people are trying to force Jewish law upon the Gentiles and Paul rebuking that kind of teaching because it does not save or lead to righteousness. ONLY Faith will.
Once one has Faith in Christ and He is your cornerstone and foundation, then one can diligently add to that faith: virtue, wisdom, self control, godliness, brotherly kindness and love. After becoming mature in Christ people are entrusted with good works to do for God's glory. not for their own righteousness or salvation but for God's Glory.
Righteousness is only found in Christ. the Law of Righteousness is not the ten commandments but Faith in Christ that washes clean sinners with His blood.
One is not justified by works of faith, though if one is mature in Christ one will do them out of love for God.
it doesn't make sense that Galatians is only talking about the Law of sacrifices..........just insert it into the text and you see how it doesn't make any sense. <of sacrifice> will be inserted to illustrate the point that it doesn't make sense.
Galatians 3
the law was given to show how all have sinned.
it makes me sad to see people try to twist scripture to fit man-made doctrines or never question what they have been taught by comparing it to God's own words.
now if you take the blinders off, you will see the "book of the law" refers to the laws Moses handed down to Israel 430 years after the covenant promise that God made with Abraham and JESUS (his Seed).
look at the conversation in more context of the previous chapter
Galatians 2
its about Peter not eating with the Gentiles. No mention of the "Law of sacrifice"
The whole book of Galatians is about how some Jewish people are trying to force Jewish law upon the Gentiles and Paul rebuking that kind of teaching because it does not save or lead to righteousness. ONLY Faith will.
Once one has Faith in Christ and He is your cornerstone and foundation, then one can diligently add to that faith: virtue, wisdom, self control, godliness, brotherly kindness and love. After becoming mature in Christ people are entrusted with good works to do for God's glory. not for their own righteousness or salvation but for God's Glory.
Righteousness is only found in Christ. the Law of Righteousness is not the ten commandments but Faith in Christ that washes clean sinners with His blood.
One is not justified by works of faith, though if one is mature in Christ one will do them out of love for God.
Gal 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
OK then, why add the Law? What was added?
Deu 5:22 These words the LORD spake unto all your assembly in the mount out of the midst of the fire, of the cloud, and of the thick darkness, with a great voice: and he added no more. And he wrote them in two tables of stone, and delivered them unto me.
Jer 7:22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:
Jer 7:23 But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.
Sacrifices were not given at Mt. Sinai they were added about a year later.
As far as jumping around, forgive me if I follow this directive...
Isa 28:9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.
Isa 28:10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
OK then, why add the Law? What was added?
Deu 5:22 These words the LORD spake unto all your assembly in the mount out of the midst of the fire, of the cloud, and of the thick darkness, with a great voice: and he added no more. And he wrote them in two tables of stone, and delivered them unto me.
Jer 7:22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:
Jer 7:23 But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.
Sacrifices were not given at Mt. Sinai they were added about a year later.
As far as jumping around, forgive me if I follow this directive...
Isa 28:9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.
Isa 28:10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
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Exodus 19-31 talks about the book of the law Moses recorded on Mount Sinai.
it is a different covenant than the one made with Abraham and his Seed, who is Christ Jesus.
it talks about sacrifices in Exodus 23, 25, 27, 29
Exodus 24
If you notice the Golden calf story does not happen until Exodus 32. therefore if you make it parallel with Deut.
you will see that all those other commandments concerning sacrifices, tabernacle, etc were given to Moses BEFORE he broke the first couple of stone tablets.
I'm fine with teaching/learning precept upon precept, line upon line. However, the jumping around allows people to draw false conclusions about the text that is not there if read in context of the whole Bible.
it is a different covenant than the one made with Abraham and his Seed, who is Christ Jesus.
it talks about sacrifices in Exodus 23, 25, 27, 29
Exodus 24
If you notice the Golden calf story does not happen until Exodus 32. therefore if you make it parallel with Deut.
you will see that all those other commandments concerning sacrifices, tabernacle, etc were given to Moses BEFORE he broke the first couple of stone tablets.
I'm fine with teaching/learning precept upon precept, line upon line. However, the jumping around allows people to draw false conclusions about the text that is not there if read in context of the whole Bible.
Exo 19:10 And the LORD said unto Moses, Go unto the people, and sanctify them to day and to morrow, and let them wash their clothes,
Exo 19:11 And be ready against the third day: for the third day the LORD will come down in the sight of all the people upon mount Sinai.
Exo 20:1 And God spake all these words, saying,
Exo 20:19 And they said unto Moses, Speak thou with us, and we will hear: but let not God speak with us, lest we die.
Exo 20:20 And Moses said unto the people, Fear not: for God is come to prove you, and that his fear may be before your faces, that ye sin not.
Exo 20:21 And the people stood afar off, and Moses drew near unto the thick darkness where God was.
Exo 20:22 And the LORD said unto Moses, Thus thou shalt say unto the children of Israel, Ye have seen that I have talked with you from heaven.
The Ten Commandments were not written by Moses in the Book of the Law, God spoke directly to the people.
There is a difference between the Law of Moses and the Ten Commandments.
You chronology is off a little my friend...
Now, let's see how that works...
Exo 19:1 In the third month, when the children of Israel were gone forth out of the land of Egypt, the same day came they into the wilderness of Sinai.
OK, that would be the third month of the Hebrew calendar.
Exo 40:2 On the first day of the first month shalt thou set up the tabernacle of the tent of the congregation.
First day fof the first month, this is at least nine months later, it could be ten. Depends on whether it was an intercalary year or not. I have not researched that.
Now where were sacrifices offered?
Lev 1:1 And the LORD called unto Moses, and spake unto him out of the tabernacle of the congregation, saying,
Lev 1:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, If any man of you bring an offering unto the LORD, ye shall bring your offering of the cattle, even of the herd, and of the flock.
Lev 1:3 If his offering be a burnt sacrifice of the herd, let him offer a male without blemish: he shall offer it of his own voluntary will at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation before the LORD.
Exo 29:35 And thus shalt thou do unto Aaron, and to his sons, according to all things which I have commanded thee: seven days shalt thou consecrate them.
Exo 29:36 And thou shalt offer every day a bullock for a sin offering for atonement: and thou shalt cleanse the altar, when thou hast made an atonement for it, and thou shalt anoint it, to sanctify it.
Exo 29:37 Seven days thou shalt make an atonement for the altar, and sanctify it; and it shall be an altar most holy: whatsoever toucheth the altar shall be holy.
Exo 29:38 Now this is that which thou shalt offer upon the altar; two lambs of the first year day by day continually.
Lev 6:30 And no sin offering, whereof any of the blood is brought into the tabernacle of the congregation to reconcile withal in the holy place, shall be eaten: it shall be burnt in the fire.
Lev 12:6 And when the days of her purifying are fulfilled, for a son, or for a daughter, she shall bring a lamb of the first year for a burnt offering, and a young pigeon, or a turtledove, for a sin offering, unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, unto the priest:
Sin offerings and sacrifices could only offered on the altar and had to be brought to the door of the tabernacle. According to Ex 40, the Tabernacle was erected 9 -10 months after Mount Sinai.
Which is exactly what God inspired Jeremiah to write...
Jer 7:22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:
Jer 7:23 But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.
Burnt offerings and sacrifices could not be offered by the Priests for the people until almost a year after the Law was given.
Exo 19:11 And be ready against the third day: for the third day the LORD will come down in the sight of all the people upon mount Sinai.
Exo 20:1 And God spake all these words, saying,
Exo 20:19 And they said unto Moses, Speak thou with us, and we will hear: but let not God speak with us, lest we die.
Exo 20:20 And Moses said unto the people, Fear not: for God is come to prove you, and that his fear may be before your faces, that ye sin not.
Exo 20:21 And the people stood afar off, and Moses drew near unto the thick darkness where God was.
Exo 20:22 And the LORD said unto Moses, Thus thou shalt say unto the children of Israel, Ye have seen that I have talked with you from heaven.
The Ten Commandments were not written by Moses in the Book of the Law, God spoke directly to the people.
There is a difference between the Law of Moses and the Ten Commandments.
You chronology is off a little my friend...
Now, let's see how that works...
Exo 19:1 In the third month, when the children of Israel were gone forth out of the land of Egypt, the same day came they into the wilderness of Sinai.
OK, that would be the third month of the Hebrew calendar.
Exo 40:2 On the first day of the first month shalt thou set up the tabernacle of the tent of the congregation.
First day fof the first month, this is at least nine months later, it could be ten. Depends on whether it was an intercalary year or not. I have not researched that.
Now where were sacrifices offered?
Lev 1:1 And the LORD called unto Moses, and spake unto him out of the tabernacle of the congregation, saying,
Lev 1:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, If any man of you bring an offering unto the LORD, ye shall bring your offering of the cattle, even of the herd, and of the flock.
Lev 1:3 If his offering be a burnt sacrifice of the herd, let him offer a male without blemish: he shall offer it of his own voluntary will at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation before the LORD.
Exo 29:35 And thus shalt thou do unto Aaron, and to his sons, according to all things which I have commanded thee: seven days shalt thou consecrate them.
Exo 29:36 And thou shalt offer every day a bullock for a sin offering for atonement: and thou shalt cleanse the altar, when thou hast made an atonement for it, and thou shalt anoint it, to sanctify it.
Exo 29:37 Seven days thou shalt make an atonement for the altar, and sanctify it; and it shall be an altar most holy: whatsoever toucheth the altar shall be holy.
Exo 29:38 Now this is that which thou shalt offer upon the altar; two lambs of the first year day by day continually.
Lev 6:30 And no sin offering, whereof any of the blood is brought into the tabernacle of the congregation to reconcile withal in the holy place, shall be eaten: it shall be burnt in the fire.
Lev 12:6 And when the days of her purifying are fulfilled, for a son, or for a daughter, she shall bring a lamb of the first year for a burnt offering, and a young pigeon, or a turtledove, for a sin offering, unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, unto the priest:
Sin offerings and sacrifices could only offered on the altar and had to be brought to the door of the tabernacle. According to Ex 40, the Tabernacle was erected 9 -10 months after Mount Sinai.
Which is exactly what God inspired Jeremiah to write...
Jer 7:22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:
Jer 7:23 But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.
Burnt offerings and sacrifices could not be offered by the Priests for the people until almost a year after the Law was given.
Now here you quote Gal 4:23-26...
Gal 4:23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
Gal 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
And what was established here was the Old Covenant. The Law is not the Covenant, it is the terms and conditions of the Covenant. Here is the proposal of the Covenant from God to Israel...
Exo 19:3 And Moses went up unto God, and the LORD called unto him out of the mountain, saying, Thus shalt thou say to the house of Jacob, and tell the children of Israel;
Exo 19:4 Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself.
Exo 19:5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:
Exo 19:6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.
If you will obey me, I will be your God and you will be my people. And how did the people answer God...
Exo 24:3 And Moses came and told the people all the words of the LORD, and all the judgments: and all the people answered with one voice, and said, All the words which the LORD hath said will we do.
And with that the Covenant was ratified. The Law is the terms and conditions of the Covenant. The people were to obey these terms and conditions and then God would do many wonderful things for them.
The Law is not the Covenant. The Covenant is the agreement to obey the Law.
Now what is the New Covenant?
Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
First of all, notice where the problem is, not with the Law, the problem is with the people. And what was the problem?
Deu 5:29 O that there were such an heart in them, that they would fear me, and keep all my commandments always, that it might be well with them, and with their children for ever!
The problem was the heart of the people. Now let's continue...
Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
The New Covenant is putting the Laws of God into our hearts so that we HAVE the heart to obey Him.
Here is where people like to say that is some new set of Laws, these are the Laws of Christ not the Ten Commandments. Well, let's see what Laws they are...
Hebrews 8:8-10 is a direct quote from Jer 31...
Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
And what Law might that be? The word for law in verse 33 is...
H8451
תּרה תּורה
tôrâh tôrâh
to-raw', to-raw'
From H3384; a precept or statute, especially the Decalogue or Pentateuch: - law.
The very same Laws Christ gave from Mt. Sinai. Now the difference in the New Covenant is not the Law, it is in the heart of those under the New Covenant.
Gal 4:23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
Gal 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
And what was established here was the Old Covenant. The Law is not the Covenant, it is the terms and conditions of the Covenant. Here is the proposal of the Covenant from God to Israel...
Exo 19:3 And Moses went up unto God, and the LORD called unto him out of the mountain, saying, Thus shalt thou say to the house of Jacob, and tell the children of Israel;
Exo 19:4 Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself.
Exo 19:5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:
Exo 19:6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.
If you will obey me, I will be your God and you will be my people. And how did the people answer God...
Exo 24:3 And Moses came and told the people all the words of the LORD, and all the judgments: and all the people answered with one voice, and said, All the words which the LORD hath said will we do.
And with that the Covenant was ratified. The Law is the terms and conditions of the Covenant. The people were to obey these terms and conditions and then God would do many wonderful things for them.
The Law is not the Covenant. The Covenant is the agreement to obey the Law.
Now what is the New Covenant?
Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
First of all, notice where the problem is, not with the Law, the problem is with the people. And what was the problem?
Deu 5:29 O that there were such an heart in them, that they would fear me, and keep all my commandments always, that it might be well with them, and with their children for ever!
The problem was the heart of the people. Now let's continue...
Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
The New Covenant is putting the Laws of God into our hearts so that we HAVE the heart to obey Him.
Here is where people like to say that is some new set of Laws, these are the Laws of Christ not the Ten Commandments. Well, let's see what Laws they are...
Hebrews 8:8-10 is a direct quote from Jer 31...
Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
And what Law might that be? The word for law in verse 33 is...
H8451
תּרה תּורה
tôrâh tôrâh
to-raw', to-raw'
From H3384; a precept or statute, especially the Decalogue or Pentateuch: - law.
The very same Laws Christ gave from Mt. Sinai. Now the difference in the New Covenant is not the Law, it is in the heart of those under the New Covenant.
So with all that said, the truth on any topicis nto determined by a tunnel vision view of one passage, all the scriptures must be considered. So, whether you want to or not my friend, the way to determine what is said is according to Isa 28...
Isa 28:10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
You must gather all the info on a subject.
Isa 28:10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
You must gather all the info on a subject.