The works of the law of righteousness vs works by faith to justification

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To say grace and the law don't mix is an oxymoron of sorts, for Jesus is not separated from God. It's like saying, 'rejection through faith'. By me saying the Mosaic Law is relevant and substance to consume is NOT denying the substance of faith. If in your opinion that puts me under the curse of the law and prohibits me from salvation, that is your prerogative. So be it - I will live with the accusation. If Jesus Christ did not come to destroy the law, why on God's green earth, would we want to do it? The pharisees did a real good job of skewing, distorting, misinterpreting, and rewriting the law. By denouncing the Mosaic Law as Christians, are we not doing the same?

John 5:44-47 (KJV)
[SUP]44 [/SUP]How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?
[SUP]45 [/SUP]Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.
[SUP]46 [/SUP]For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
[SUP]47 [/SUP]But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?
Okay I am not accusing you, I am not your Judge,
The Law was put in place as a schoolmaster to lead the First Chosen to Jesus, and this is what it is for and apparently you still need the Law for God has not perfected you yet.
Now I am not saying I am perfected, yet I continue toward the mark.
Read what Paul has to say about the law as I have posted to you many times and you just are not seeing it, no offense is meant to you, and God does just love you deeper than you as of yet.

[h=3]Philippians 3[/h]New International Version (NIV)

[h=3]No Confidence in the Flesh[/h]3 Further, my brothers and sisters, rejoice in the Lord! It is no trouble for me to write the same things to you again, and it is a safeguard for you. [SUP]2 [/SUP]Watch out for those dogs, those evildoers, those mutilators of the flesh. [SUP]3 [/SUP]For it is we who are the circumcision, we who serve God by his Spirit, who boast in Christ Jesus, and who put no confidence in the flesh— [SUP]4 [/SUP]though I myself have reasons for such confidence.
If someone else thinks they have reasons to put confidence in the flesh, I have more: [SUP]5 [/SUP]circumcised on the eighth day, of the people of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrews; in regard to the law, a Pharisee; [SUP]6 [/SUP]as for zeal, persecuting the church; as for righteousness based on the law, faultless.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]But whatever were gains to me I now consider loss for the sake of Christ. [SUP]8 [/SUP]What is more, I consider everything a loss because of the surpassing worth of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whose sake I have lost all things. I consider them garbage, that I may gain Christ [SUP]9 [/SUP]and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ—the righteousness that comes from God on the basis of faith. [SUP]10 [/SUP]I want to know Christ—yes, to know the power of his resurrection and participation in his sufferings, becoming like him in his death, [SUP]11 [/SUP]and so, somehow, attaining to the resurrection from the dead.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already arrived at my goal, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me. [SUP]13 [/SUP]Brothers and sisters, I do not consider myself yet to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead,
[SUP]14 [/SUP]I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus.


Ephesians 2:15
by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace,

Romans 4:14 For if those who depend on the law are heirs, faith means nothing and the promise is worthless,
Romans 4:15 because the law brings wrath. And where there is no law there is no transgression.
Romans 4:16 Therefore, the promise comes by faith, so that it may be by grace and may be guaranteed to all Abraham’s offspring—not only to those who are of the law but also to those who have the faith of Abraham. He is the father of us all.
Romans 5:20 The law was brought in so that the trespass might increase. But where sin increased, grace increased all the more,
Romans 6:14 For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace.
Romans 6:15 [ Slaves to Righteousness ] What then? Shall we sin because we are not under the law but under grace? By no means!
Romans 7:1 [ Released From the Law, Bound to Christ ] Do you not know, brothers and sisters—for I am speaking to those who know the law—that the law has authority over someone only as long as that person lives?
Romans 7:2 For example, by law a married woman is bound to her husband as long as he is alive, but if her husband dies, she is released from the law that binds her to him.
Romans 7:3 So then, if she has sexual relations with another man while her husband is still alive, she is called an adulteress. But if her husband dies, she is released from that law and is not an adulteress if she marries another man.
Romans 7:4 So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God.
Romans 7:5 For when we were in the realm of the flesh, the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in us, so that we bore fruit for death.
Romans 7:6 But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.
Romans 7:7 [ The Law and Sin ] What shall we say, then? Is the law sinful? Certainly not! Nevertheless, I would not have known what sin was had it not been for the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, “You shall not covet.”
Romans 7:8 But sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, produced in me every kind of coveting. For apart from the law, sin was dead.
Romans 7:9 Once I was alive apart from the law; but when the commandment came, sin sprang to life and I died.

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Okay I am not accusing you, I am not your Judge,
The Law was put in place as a schoolmaster to lead the First Chosen to Jesus, and this is what it is for and apparently you still need the Law for God has not perfected you yet.
Now I am not saying I am perfected, yet I continue toward the mark.
Read what Paul has to say about the law as I have posted to you many times and you just are not seeing it, no offense is meant to you, and God does just love you deeper than you as of yet.
I like it that you quoted part of the scripture in Romans 7. It's a good chapter to help us understand our sinful nature that wars in our members. I'm sure you have the same battle within yourself as I do. I use the law to identify what is at odds with God, and then repent, and confess my sin that the Mosaic law identifies. More power to you if you don't need to use this God given tool to identify your human frailty.

Romans 7:14-25 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
[SUP]23 [/SUP]But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
[SUP]25 [/SUP]I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
 
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homwardbound

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I like it that you quoted part of the scripture in Romans 7. It's a good chapter to help us understand our sinful nature that wars in our members. I'm sure you have the same battle within yourself as I do. I use the law to identify what is at odds with God, and then repent, and confess my sin that the Mosaic law identifies. More power to you if you don't need to use this God given tool to identify your human frailty.

Romans 7:14-25 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
[SUP]23 [/SUP]But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
[SUP]25 [/SUP]I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
Yes, God through Paul in 7, 6, 1-3 of Romans has shown me exactly my Human fraility I was born with the "I" being in the way. Not the new hidden man of my heart, the Holy Spirit of God.
Then it moves into Rom 8
Where there is no condemnation
Romans 8:1
[ Life Through the Spirit ] Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus,
Romans 8:2 because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you free from the law of sin and death.
Romans 8:3 For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in the flesh,
Romans 8:4
in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

Apparently you are still warring between flesh and the Spirit of God and have not given up the self to God for the Holy Spirit to lead, only you personally can answer this between God and you. all in love to you from God, who never forsakes or leaves us as people do.

Romans 7:6 But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.

Do you see the fight, I think you do and are busy at trying to stop it with God's help and you are not seeing this that all you have to do is want to stop it in the energy of your own flesh and guess what?

Galatians 6:8 For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life.

Just think about flesh and not want to do it, what do you usually end up doing?
What about when you accomplish, feel pretty cool, a little boastful, proud, Thankful to God hmm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I think not
Romans 4:2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God.

Justme been there done that, when you finally vet out your flesh and see it is no good at all, then you might find the only escape from it is to consider thyself dead to it by the same death of Christ at the cross, where he took away the sin of the world for you personally, so you can be presented to Father
Colossians 1:22 in the body of His flesh through death, to present you holy, and blameless, and above reproach in His sight—

Praying for you to see through, it is all God and no one else, God did it all for you. So what is your response?
To appreciate this, God knowing and reward you with life everlasting, no better gift is there than life everlasting.
To take advantage of, throw these pearls down and turn and attack, through faking belief as many do consciously and just do not care for others life's.
To care and continue like a wave of the sea, back and forth to and fro, tossed from Flesh failure after flesh failure to trying to do what is right and can never attain it by and through the flesh.
I see you as the last statement, and when others join in and confirm this behavior it seems alright, and one never comes to the power of the resurrected Christ as Paul said, the only way to come to this is to die to self.
Be co-crucified with Christ at the cross, so that you might attain the resurrection.
[h=3]Philippians 3:7-11[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

[SUP]7 [/SUP]But what things were gain to me, these I have counted loss for Christ. (could this be self) [SUP]8 [/SUP]Yet indeed I also count all things loss for the excellence of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things,(what exactly did he suffer loss of, self efforts maybe) and count them as rubbish, that I may gain Christ ( he is on to something yes) [SUP]9 [/SUP]and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, ( you catch this, which is from the Law) but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith; How is righteousness gained?) [SUP]10 [/SUP]that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection, and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death, [SUP]( are you listening, conformed to what, Law or death?)11 [/SUP]if, by any means, I may attain to the resurrection from the dead.

So which way is to the life of Christ; through death with Christ or the Law of Moses, or mix the two as you have been doing possibly deceived by your own flesh efforts.
Only you can go to God and ask and see what God says, and I know God will direct you and one day you will hear what God says or you might continue to think you are already hearing God, so I shall ask you this?

Do you believe the truth sets you free?
Now if you are in bondage to anything that besets you from God, in your mindset then has truth set you free?
You would thus be on your way as you are trying awfully hard not to do any wrong, right? As I am sure there are many others right where you are at, to this very day, working very hard to enter the rest of freedom

So if truth sets one free, then ERROR must put or keep one in bondage yes?
So if you are in bondage, then there might be error in your truth that is keeping you from being set free
Thanks Justme for listening and desiring to serve God to the highest you can. You shall see and know the whole truth that sets you free and free you shall be indeed
John 8:32
And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
 

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well....kinda.
the fig tree was apostate national israel. so was that mountain.
He was preparing them for overwhelming persecution.
He told them (THEM THEN...right there) that whatever they needed in their mission would be granted.

k...

Thank you ma'am for responding to my controversial post. I appreciate your honest view of the scripture. However, I believe your interpretation to be incorrect. I don't know about the symbolism part, but the basis for the teaching is very clear. If you look at what faith IS, you will see it written plainly in verses 23 and 24.
I mean no offense to you or your church, but faith comes by hearing and if you hear that God doesn't heal unless it is His will and you reason away all His promises, you will have exactly what you believe, even according to your faith it will be done to you. The reason you don't have many, if any, healings or miracles in your church is because it is not taught. If it is not taught, the congregation will not believe, if they don't believe, there will be few, if any, moves of God in the supernatural, unless He does so in His sovereignty for other reasons.
Another thing, this was not addressed to the apostles only or to the seventy, but to "whosoever", which would be any body. And the mission was not mentioned, but to keep it in context He said,
"he shall have whatsoever he saith" and "what things soever you desire" is what you will have.
Faith is a constant and universal law. It's the same today and works the same way as it did when Jesus was here in the natural world. It hasn't changed. It is how one is born again.
That whosoever shall say... and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.
You believe in Jesus and confess Him as lord, if you believe the thing you just said shall come to pass, you shall have whatsoever you say.
 

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so might it be that you are doing better with flesh than me and I might be better with Spirit than you, and I am not saying this arrogantly.
You see it better for me to be well with my soul over flesh.
Of coarse I would like both, yet if have a choice, better for me to well with my Soul, and alive to God in the Spirit of God over self.


You seem to think that because I miss it now and again, and confess my sins to God, that I am tormented or troubled in my spirit all the time, and that you are doing better than I because nothing you do bothers you and it does me.
For instance, if I were in your situation, I would start by asking God were I missed it that such a thing would happen to me, then I would confess my lack of faith in Him and His promises, for my lack of vision for my healing, for my lack of knowledge and understanding of His word and the way the kingdom of heaven operates, and so on. If you are not walking as Jesus did when He was on earth, you are missing it too.
As for the soul, what I said was to correct you as to what it really is. Though it is a spirit and it is you, in many verses of the bible, it is referred to as the physical body. When the natural body dies, the soul lives on, yet here it dies in the natural body.

Gen_12:13 Say, I pray thee, thou art my sister: that it may be well with me for thy sake; and my soul shall live because of thee.
So if you are not doing well physically, your soul is not doing well, hence, you are not doing well spiritually.
 

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Here is something to consider, what is it that you most desire, want? I am talking bottom line?
And one might say a great paying Job, another a great supportive wife, and on and on one goes to what they want.
Now hear this the Spiritual warfare at hand gives you the thought that you can have whatever you want here now, but when you die physically you have to give up what you want the most.
So you decide what it is you want the most, and decide you can live without that one thing you desire the most, not ever seeing truthfully what you want the most

Does anyone know what they want the most?


Where does it say in scripture that you have to give up what you want the most when you die?
Perhaps I'm missing what you are saying, but this scripture is not for just one desire or wish, and that you have to choose between God or it. There is no scriptural basis for such a thing as that.
People need to stop adding something to verses like the ones in Mark 11: 23 and 24 to make it fit their doctrine. It is for big and little things, and for as many things as you like. That is what is written.
I use to believe that there were three wise men that visited Jesus when He was in the manger, because that is what I was taught. Even when I read it in the bible, I would see it that way. I started examining scripture more closely, after someone showed me contrary, which revealed just how blinded I was to what the word of God was actually saying. I was seeing what I believed, not what it was saying.
 

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Man, im am so tired of this junk. If you ant law then follow it if you can and you can't. That bacon is crying out to you. Is that what you will say when you stand before Him. What will you say. Lord I went to church on Saturday when erry body else went on Sunday. Or maybe I helped my neighbor when he was in need. CRy out and say Lord I cut the grass at the church for 15 years. Or Lord I have been so good I Have not drank nor done drugs when the people around you have done all of those things. When will we realise that are only hope is Jesus Christ and Him crucified and there is nothing we can do accept say thank you. Keep what you want it means nothing.

Maybe if everyone would stop confusing works of the law with salvation, we could move on.
Works of the law have there place in the new testament, especially when done through the Spirit of God, but it is not in salvation. That is where works of faith come in.
Does anyone know how to release the faith of God from the heart? I say heart and not head, because there is a big difference.
 

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"Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy He saved us", and "All our righteousnesses are as filthy rags." These passages demonstrate that any works counted as righteous come after a person is made righteous, justified, and sanctified through salvation. Any works, no matter how good, that come before salvation are counted as sin because they are done in the flesh and not for God.
I agree with you ma'am, but even after we receive Christ in our hearts, the righteous works, such as those written in the old testament, have no bearing on our salvation. Do you concur?
 

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You seem to think that because I miss it now and again, and confess my sins to God, that I am tormented or troubled in my spirit all the time, and that you are doing better than I because nothing you do bothers you and it does me.
For instance, if I were in your situation, I would start by asking God were I missed it that such a thing would happen to me, then I would confess my lack of faith in Him and His promises, for my lack of vision for my healing, for my lack of knowledge and understanding of His word and the way the kingdom of heaven operates, and so on. If you are not walking as Jesus did when He was on earth, you are missing it too.
As for the soul, what I said was to correct you as to what it really is. Though it is a spirit and it is you, in many verses of the bible, it is referred to as the physical body. When the natural body dies, the soul lives on, yet here it dies in the natural body.

Gen_12:13 Say, I pray thee, thou art my sister: that it may be well with me for thy sake; and my soul shall live because of thee.
So if you are not doing well physically, your soul is not doing well, hence, you are not doing well spiritually.
I sure am Glad you are not God, IU meant no offense to you, about one better than the other, I only responded that I would rather my Soul be well, over my flesh.
There is a lot for us all to learn, and what I hear you saying in all your posts, is your will be done not Father's will. You seem to be after whatever it is you want, and that is okay, free Choice, I choose Father's will over my own, For Father knows best.
If Jesus chose his own will, the cross would not have happened, what was best for mankind to be reborn through the cross, death and resurrection for the new Spirit life that Christ came to give.
Mark 14:36 And He said, “Abba, Father, all things are possible for You. Take this cup away from Me; nevertheless, not what I will, but what You will.
Luke 22:42 saying, “Father, if it is Your will, take this cup away from Me; nevertheless not My will, but Yours, be done.”

No selfishness, please Know1 be careful, to want Father's will for you, rather than just whatever you want, Love you as Christ loves us all, and died for us, then rose for us, to give us a new life
 

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Where does it say in scripture that you have to give up what you want the most when you die?
Perhaps I'm missing what you are saying, but this scripture is not for just one desire or wish, and that you have to choose between God or it. There is no scriptural basis for such a thing as that.
People need to stop adding something to verses like the ones in Mark 11: 23 and 24 to make it fit their doctrine. It is for big and little things, and for as many things as you like. That is what is written.
I use to believe that there were three wise men that visited Jesus when He was in the manger, because that is what I was taught. Even when I read it in the bible, I would see it that way. I started examining scripture more closely, after someone showed me contrary, which revealed just how blinded I was to what the word of God was actually saying. I was seeing what I believed, not what it was saying.
I am only revealing tricks of the enemy that keep one trapped in their own self. Paul died daily to self, wanting God's will not his as he was as Saul, thinking he was doing God's will and was not. Paul sees the deception of flesh and warns us of that war between flesh and Spirit.
Phil. 3
[h=3]Philippians 3[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

[h=3]All for Christ[/h]3 Finally, my brethren, rejoice in the Lord. For me to write the same things to you is not tedious, but for you it is safe.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the mutilation! [SUP]3 [/SUP]For we are the circumcision, who worship God in the Spirit, rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh, [SUP]4 [/SUP]though I also might have confidence in the flesh. If anyone else thinks he may have confidence in the flesh, I more so: [SUP]5 [/SUP]circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of the Hebrews; concerning the law, a Pharisee; [SUP]6 [/SUP]concerning zeal, persecuting the church; concerning the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]But what things were gain to me, these I have counted loss for Christ. [SUP]8 [/SUP]Yet indeed I also count all things loss for the excellence of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them as rubbish, that I may gain Christ [SUP]9 [/SUP]and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith; [SUP]10 [/SUP]that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection, and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death, [SUP]11 [/SUP]if, by any means, I may attain to the resurrection from the dead.
 

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I sure am Glad you are not God, IU meant no offense to you, about one better than the other, I only responded that I would rather my Soul be well, over my flesh.
There is a lot for us all to learn, and what I hear you saying in all your posts, is your will be done not Father's will. You seem to be after whatever it is you want, and that is okay, free Choice, I choose Father's will over my own, For Father knows best.
If Jesus chose his own will, the cross would not have happened, what was best for mankind to be reborn through the cross, death and resurrection for the new Spirit life that Christ came to give.
Mark 14:36 And He said, “Abba, Father, all things are possible for You. Take this cup away from Me; nevertheless, not what I will, but what You will.
Luke 22:42 saying, “Father, if it is Your will, take this cup away from Me; nevertheless not My will, but Yours, be done.”

No selfishness, please Know1 be careful, to want Father's will for you, rather than just whatever you want, Love you as Christ loves us all, and died for us, then rose for us, to give us a new life

No my friend, you have that wrong, I am not trying to have my will done over the Father's, on the contrary, I am doing the will of my Father according to His word. Below, certain words are underlined, emboldened, sized, and colored for the purpose of revealing a simple truth only, and for no other reason. Okay?
Psa_37:4 Delight thyself also in the LORD; and he shall give thee the desires of thine heart.
Mar 11:24 Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.
Php_2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

Understand that money is not evil in and of itself, but the love of it, is. Neither are having guns, automobiles, good health, prosperity, or the like, an evil or a bad thing to have or to want. These wouldn't be called blessings if they were a bad thing that He didn't want you to have. They are for those who walk uprightly before God.


Deu 28:2 And all these blessings shall come on thee, and overtake thee, if thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God.
Deu 28:3 Blessed shalt thou be in the city, and blessed shalt thou be in the field.
Deu 28:4 Blessed shall be the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy ground, and the fruit of thy cattle, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep.
Deu 28:5 Blessed shall be thy basket and thy store.
Deu 28:6 Blessed shalt thou be when thou comest in, and blessed shalt thou be when thou goest out.
Deu 28:7 The LORD shall cause thine enemies that rise up against thee to be smitten before thy face: they shall come out against thee one way, and flee before thee seven ways.
Deu 28:8 The LORD shall command the blessing upon thee in thy storehouses, and in all that thou settest thine hand unto; and he shall bless thee in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.

At the same time, we are not to lust after these thing or to love them more than God. Then we would be coveting after idols of a sort.
 

know1

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I am only revealing tricks of the enemy that keep one trapped in their own self. Paul died daily to self, wanting God's will not his as he was as Saul, thinking he was doing God's will and was not. Paul sees the deception of flesh and warns us of that war between flesh and Spirit.
Phil. 3

I believe, those who want things for their own selfish gain or pleasure would be 'in their own self'. However, I have a family whom I love giving to, as well as providing and doing things for, that are living in the physical world.
1Ti_5:8 But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.
So, not all things that are of this world are of the flesh or self, it's more a matter of the condition of the heart.
 
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As I pray over what you both are saying; I don't claim to know, perfectly, what your total concept of the truth is, But I know what I believe! God is leading me to Phil.3:12,"Not that I have already attained, or am perfected;" ( lets agree ,none of us are "perfected",RIGHT?RIGHT!) "but I press on, that I may lay hold of that which Christ Jesus has also laid hold of me." ( lets agree that Jesus has all ready given us a "perfect righteousness" upon our faith, as we trust, in His finished work on the cross. OK? OK! ) Now Paul says I am not yet "perfect". homwardbound , do you have a desire to be "perfect ,like our Lord was? You sound like you have tried and gave up trying because you found it impossible.??? So now you put all you hope on faith. I am not saying ,that I put my hope half on Christ and half on my good words. NO WAY, ! BUT, Salvation is more than having the perfect righteousness of Christ IMPUTED to my account in Heaven: Salvation is also being born again with the nature of God IMPARTED to/in me. I have the holy nature of God in my soul/spirit, perfect; BUT, I still have the old sinful nature still in me, hence, the battle with sin. Paul admits, the "perfect" life is Impossible, but he/I have a conscience in us, of God's making, that makes us unhappy with anything short of "perfection", as Christ was "perfect". Phil.3:14-16 "I press toward the goal for the prize ...let us, as many as are mature, ...Let walk by the same rule," Christ, God, saves me and my faith and works are the result of God's grace. So we are commanded to "work out" our salvation as God "works in" us. Phil.2:12-13 May we all Be blessed, Hoffco
 

homwardbound

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No my friend, you have that wrong, I am not trying to have my will done over the Father's, on the contrary, I am doing the will of my Father according to His word. Below, certain words are underlined, emboldened, sized, and colored for the purpose of revealing a simple truth only, and for no other reason. Okay?
Psa_37:4 Delight thyself also in the LORD; and he shall give thee the desires of thine heart.
Mar 11:24 Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.
Php_2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

Understand that money is not evil in and of itself, but the love of it, is. Neither are having guns, automobiles, good health, prosperity, or the like, an evil or a bad thing to have or to want. These wouldn't be called blessings if they were a bad thing that He didn't want you to have. They are for those who walk uprightly before God.


Deu 28:2 And all these blessings shall come on thee, and overtake thee, if thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God.
Deu 28:3 Blessed shalt thou be in the city, and blessed shalt thou be in the field.
Deu 28:4 Blessed shall be the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy ground, and the fruit of thy cattle, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep.
Deu 28:5 Blessed shall be thy basket and thy store.
Deu 28:6 Blessed shalt thou be when thou comest in, and blessed shalt thou be when thou goest out.
Deu 28:7 The LORD shall cause thine enemies that rise up against thee to be smitten before thy face: they shall come out against thee one way, and flee before thee seven ways.
Deu 28:8 The LORD shall command the blessing upon thee in thy storehouses, and in all that thou settest thine hand unto; and he shall bless thee in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.

At the same time, we are not to lust after these thing or to love them more than God. Then we would be coveting after idols of a sort.
Thanks, can you please tell me what it is you want, or desire the most then?
I thank you for being honest.
 

homwardbound

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As I pray over what you both are saying; I don't claim to know, perfectly, what your total concept of the truth is, But I know what I believe! God is leading me to Phil.3:12,"Not that I have already attained, or am perfected;" ( lets agree ,none of us are "perfected",RIGHT?RIGHT!) "but I press on, that I may lay hold of that which Christ Jesus has also laid hold of me." ( lets agree that Jesus has all ready given us a "perfect righteousness" upon our faith, as we trust, in His finished work on the cross. OK? OK! ) Now Paul says I am not yet "perfect". homwardbound , do you have a desire to be "perfect ,like our Lord was? You sound like you have tried and gave up trying because you found it impossible.??? So now you put all you hope on faith. I am not saying ,that I put my hope half on Christ and half on my good words. NO WAY, ! BUT, Salvation is more than having the perfect righteousness of Christ IMPUTED to my account in Heaven: Salvation is also being born again with the nature of God IMPARTED to/in me. I have the holy nature of God in my soul/spirit, perfect; BUT, I still have the old sinful nature still in me, hence, the battle with sin. Paul admits, the "perfect" life is Impossible, but he/I have a conscience in us, of God's making, that makes us unhappy with anything short of "perfection", as Christ was "perfect". Phil.3:14-16 "I press toward the goal for the prize ...let us, as many as are mature, ...Let walk by the same rule," Christ, God, saves me and my faith and works are the result of God's grace. So we are commanded to "work out" our salvation as God "works in" us. Phil.2:12-13 May we all Be blessed, Hoffco
Thank you Hoffco, great insight from God through you, there is a work yes, and the work is to work hard to enter his rest
This is done by belief in God, and we rest from our works taking on his works that work through us naturally, no stress in the risen Savior who has also risen us in the Spirit of God, done through the resurrected Christ.
Thanks for the meat from the word of God, God revealed
 

homwardbound

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I believe, those who want things for their own selfish gain or pleasure would be 'in their own self'. However, I have a family whom I love giving to, as well as providing and doing things for, that are living in the physical world.
1Ti_5:8 But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.
So, not all things that are of this world are of the flesh or self, it's more a matter of the condition of the heart.
Sounds to me as if self is out of the way of you, and only God can do this, AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! A heart transplant has been done in you, so you can rejoice, knowing all things, good or bad work towards the good of God
 

DiscipleDave

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Hi DiscipleDave,

I agree with Zone and HeRoseFromTheDead.

Your claim of having the truth fails as it's not supported in scripture.
And what have i claimed that is not supported by Scriptures. You say what i have claimed is not supported by Scriptures, yet do not give what i claimed. Tell me, what have i said that you think is not supported by Scriptures, so i can give you the Scriptures that support what i said.

The sin the world is convicted of is unbelief in Jesus, John 16:9.
i have not said otherwise, This does not mean the only sin there is, is the sin of unbelief. If you sow to the flesh of the flesh you shall reap corruption, you reap what you sow, these verses have nothing to do with the sin of unbelief, that the world is convicted of. There are three types of sins. 1) Sins unto death = those that are knowingly and willingly committed 2) Sins not unto death = those that are unknowingly and/or unwillingly committed and 3) Sins not forgiven unto men = blaspheme of the Holy Ghost

you contradict this scripture and judge righteousness by works of the law, instead. In doing this you make yourself a transgressor/sinner by bringing yourself under the law for righteousness, Gal 2:18.
Clearly you have misunderstood what i have said, i don't believe none of what you just said above. i do not judge righteousness by works of the law. Clearly you have not read my articles on my website either, please read Faith Works or Both. Righteousness will never come by the works of the law, righteousness comes by those who do righteousness as it is written. Many verses prove this, and they can be found in the article called The Righteous.

^i^
 
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A word of encouragement to DiscipleDave, these people don't "misunderstand" what we say , they don't believe it, they don't listen to God, so they twist what we say, and are destroying many souls with their heresy.To these manipulators of the Word of God, please teach the whole Word of God. Your anti law, lawlessness, is disgraceful, it is against grace, grace teach us to deny ungodliness and live holy, moral lives. I don't think Chuck Swindol is an immoral person :But he preaches an immoral gospel of "faith only". I don't think all of the staff of Word of Life international are immoral people , but they preach an a-moral ,immoral gospel, I know many of the people, personally, they are very Godly people, but they are duped,deceived, of the Devil. For 40 yrs. they have crucified me, but they are some of my closest friend. LOL ,Ha,or cry,?? hey. if you want friends you can not be too chosee. Love to all, Hoffco