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Hebrews 10 is all about faith, not to mention all of Hebrews. FAITH IN CHRIST is the outpouring of His grace.
And, this has nothing to do with animal sacrifices as the faith, it's just simply as I keep on saying, the Lord leads these words , I hope and pray, but we are led by His grace to a FAITH IN HIM, in His ways for our life. We are being self-righteous, not to mention, cheapening His great act on the cross by thinking we can just go to heaven and have salvation because He died on the cross. No ! We GO to Heaven because we LIVE for Him by faith in Him, throooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooough faith.
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Originally Posted by Tintin
If we can do something to earn our salvation, even a little, Christ's sacrifice wasn't sufficient to conquer sin, death and the devil. But we're told in the Bible that God's grace, through Jesus Christ's death and resurrection, is sufficient.
If we can do something to earn our salvation, even a little, Christ's sacrifice wasn't sufficient to conquer sin, death and the devil. But we're told in the Bible that God's grace, through Jesus Christ's death and resurrection, is sufficient.
His grace is sufficient, to go back to your other post, tintin, for what? ? To KEEP Paul in Him, the 'grace is suffiecient verse that many like to pin on 'grace for salvation' is NOT in that context, it is just Paul in 1 Cor. 12:9 saying that Christ's grace to Him is enough for Him to be having gone through suffering, 'thorn in his flesh,' as Paul calls it.
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Not that bit, the first bit of Hebrews 10. Also, animal sacrifices pointed to the coming of Christ to earth as the ultimate sacrifice.
Cut and Paste Christian apologizes for the following lengthy post (they're not my thing).
Hebrews 10
New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)
Christ’s Sacrifice Once for All
10 Since the law has only a shadow of the good things to come and not the true form of these realities, it can never, by the same sacrifices that are continually offered year after year, make perfect those who approach. [SUP]2 [/SUP]Otherwise, would they not have ceased being offered, since the worshipers, cleansed once for all, would no longer have any consciousness of sin? [SUP]3 [/SUP]But in these sacrifices there is a reminder of sin year after year. [SUP]4 [/SUP]For it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins. [SUP]5 [/SUP]Consequently, when Christ came into the world, he said,
“Sacrifices and offerings you have not desired,
but a body you have prepared for me;
[SUP]6 [/SUP]in burnt offerings and sin offerings
you have taken no pleasure.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Then I said, ‘See, God, I have come to do your will, O God’
(in the scroll of the book it is written of me).”
[SUP]8 [/SUP]When he said above, “You have neither desired nor taken pleasure in sacrifices and offerings and burnt offerings and sin offerings” (these are offered according to the law), [SUP]9 [/SUP]then he added, “See, I have come to do your will.” He abolishes the first in order to establish the second. [SUP]10 [/SUP]And it is by God’s will that we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And every priest stands day after day at his service, offering again and again the same sacrifices that can never take away sins. [SUP]12 [/SUP]But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, “he sat down at the right hand of God,” [SUP]13 [/SUP]and since then has been waiting “until his enemies would be made a footstool for his feet.” [SUP]14 [/SUP]For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are sanctified. [SUP]15 [/SUP]And the Holy Spirit also testifies to us, for after saying,
[SUP]16 [/SUP]“This is the covenant that I will make with them
after those days, says the Lord:
I will put my laws in their hearts,
and I will write them on their minds,”
[SUP]17 [/SUP]he also adds,
“I will remember their sins and their lawless deeds no more.”
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Where there is forgiveness of these, there is no longer any offering for sin.
Cut and Paste Christian apologizes for the following lengthy post (they're not my thing).
Hebrews 10
New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)
Christ’s Sacrifice Once for All
10 Since the law has only a shadow of the good things to come and not the true form of these realities, it can never, by the same sacrifices that are continually offered year after year, make perfect those who approach. [SUP]2 [/SUP]Otherwise, would they not have ceased being offered, since the worshipers, cleansed once for all, would no longer have any consciousness of sin? [SUP]3 [/SUP]But in these sacrifices there is a reminder of sin year after year. [SUP]4 [/SUP]For it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins. [SUP]5 [/SUP]Consequently, when Christ came into the world, he said,
“Sacrifices and offerings you have not desired,
but a body you have prepared for me;
[SUP]6 [/SUP]in burnt offerings and sin offerings
you have taken no pleasure.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Then I said, ‘See, God, I have come to do your will, O God’
(in the scroll of the book it is written of me).”
[SUP]8 [/SUP]When he said above, “You have neither desired nor taken pleasure in sacrifices and offerings and burnt offerings and sin offerings” (these are offered according to the law), [SUP]9 [/SUP]then he added, “See, I have come to do your will.” He abolishes the first in order to establish the second. [SUP]10 [/SUP]And it is by God’s will that we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And every priest stands day after day at his service, offering again and again the same sacrifices that can never take away sins. [SUP]12 [/SUP]But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, “he sat down at the right hand of God,” [SUP]13 [/SUP]and since then has been waiting “until his enemies would be made a footstool for his feet.” [SUP]14 [/SUP]For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are sanctified. [SUP]15 [/SUP]And the Holy Spirit also testifies to us, for after saying,
[SUP]16 [/SUP]“This is the covenant that I will make with them
after those days, says the Lord:
I will put my laws in their hearts,
and I will write them on their minds,”
[SUP]17 [/SUP]he also adds,
“I will remember their sins and their lawless deeds no more.”
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Where there is forgiveness of these, there is no longer any offering for sin.
Because, crossnoted, grace is complemented by faith for our salvation, through faith, we are saved, by God's grace . 
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Justified by the law?
Really? no? your insinuations are not 'liked' either, ohzone Sigh....God be with you, you His focus I pray, I don't see that true but I do pray it The Lord leads, His gift of Himself to you will teach you, reveal to you His grace through faith in Him
we are just justified by BOTH grace AND faith. Scripture is clear, ohzone, no?
Really? no? your insinuations are not 'liked' either, ohzone
Sigh....God be with you, you His focus I pray, I don't see that true but I do pray it The Lord leads, His gift of Himself to you will teach you, reveal to you His grace through faith in Him we are just justified by BOTH grace AND faith. Scripture is clear, ohzone, no?
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Grace through faith. Not just grace, that's all I'm saying, that's all that Scripture is saying, too, crossnoted
You posted the Romans 3 verse of "justified by faith," but, the future of Scripture from there, per Philipians 3:8 ,which you 'liked' my post , not sure why, but you did, whatever. Anyway, the grace justification is followed by faith in Him .
You posted the Romans 3 verse of "justified by faith," but, the future of Scripture from there, per Philipians 3:8 ,which you 'liked' my post , not sure why, but you did, whatever. Anyway, the grace justification is followed by faith in Him .
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Crossnoted, to you:
You posted the Romans 3 verse of "justified by faith," but, the future of Scripture from there, per Philipians 3:8 ,which you 'liked' my post , not sure why, but you did, whatever. Anyway, the grace justification is followed by faith in Him .
Think of it like this, maybe, brother, for every action (God sent His Son to die for us, and, by His shed blood, or, grace, we are justified by grace) there is an equal opposite REaction . Grace is God's act toward us......
....so what's your reaction to God's move to save you. You ARE saved by grace, true, this is Scripture, you are 'justified by grace,' this is Scripture, but there is 'faith' too. There is no such thing as 'by grace alone are ye saved,' it's all about the chain of command that Paul directs to us AFTER Ephesians 2:8a, where the 2nd part of 2:8 says 'through faith' so, what is so hard to understand that:
By grace we are saved = action of God toward us.
through faith = reaction of us, at least, that is, it SHOULD be the reaction of us.
Now, is this being justified by the law? Of course, not, it's being justified by both His grace understanding of His Son dying on the cross and His shed blood covering our sins--all of them, past, present, future--AND also from our righteousness in Him, which is from "faith in Christ," just as Phil 3: 8-12 states
And, this is NOT just faith in His finished work, it is FAITH in His work that is yet to be finished in us, which will NOT be completed until we are in our glorified body. We are imperfect beings, covered by His blood, but still sinning and will until we get to heaven and this TOO is 'by grace,' but, it's through faith that we are able to understand His grace per Romans 6 and 7, talking about where SIN ABOUNDS, then, GRACE ABOUNDS MORE
Again, as I asked you and ohzone to do, post BOTH 'justified by grace' and 'justified by faith' verses. Don't just post the one.
The Lord leads..... but I am not saying that grace is by faith, it is THROUGH FAITH, that is HOW we are completely, complementary in our salvatiion
It's wrong to be selective in our approach to scripture, just like person who looks at my shirt and sees '666' and VA letter in Hebrew for 'number of the beast' because the power of the shirt is in aLSO seeing which is easy to see tooo, is it not, but was NOT selectED to speak on: The t-shirt has John 3:16 below the monster symbol and the verse is there too.
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever (whoever!) believes (Jesus is Lord !!! ) will not perish but have everlasting life .
You posted the Romans 3 verse of "justified by faith," but, the future of Scripture from there, per Philipians 3:8 ,which you 'liked' my post , not sure why, but you did, whatever. Anyway, the grace justification is followed by faith in Him .
Think of it like this, maybe, brother, for every action (God sent His Son to die for us, and, by His shed blood, or, grace, we are justified by grace) there is an equal opposite REaction . Grace is God's act toward us......
....so what's your reaction to God's move to save you. You ARE saved by grace, true, this is Scripture, you are 'justified by grace,' this is Scripture, but there is 'faith' too. There is no such thing as 'by grace alone are ye saved,' it's all about the chain of command that Paul directs to us AFTER Ephesians 2:8a, where the 2nd part of 2:8 says 'through faith' so, what is so hard to understand that:
By grace we are saved = action of God toward us.
through faith = reaction of us, at least, that is, it SHOULD be the reaction of us.
Now, is this being justified by the law? Of course, not, it's being justified by both His grace understanding of His Son dying on the cross and His shed blood covering our sins--all of them, past, present, future--AND also from our righteousness in Him, which is from "faith in Christ," just as Phil 3: 8-12 states
And, this is NOT just faith in His finished work, it is FAITH in His work that is yet to be finished in us, which will NOT be completed until we are in our glorified body. We are imperfect beings, covered by His blood, but still sinning and will until we get to heaven and this TOO is 'by grace,' but, it's through faith that we are able to understand His grace per Romans 6 and 7, talking about where SIN ABOUNDS, then, GRACE ABOUNDS MORE
Again, as I asked you and ohzone to do, post BOTH 'justified by grace' and 'justified by faith' verses. Don't just post the one.
The Lord leads..... but I am not saying that grace is by faith, it is THROUGH FAITH, that is HOW we are completely, complementary in our salvatiion
It's wrong to be selective in our approach to scripture, just like person who looks at my shirt and sees '666' and VA letter in Hebrew for 'number of the beast' because the power of the shirt is in aLSO seeing which is easy to see tooo, is it not, but was NOT selectED to speak on: The t-shirt has John 3:16 below the monster symbol and the verse is there too.
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever (whoever!) believes (Jesus is Lord !!! ) will not perish but have everlasting life .
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We are saved by grace, as its a gift from God. The problem with some if not many Christians today they seem to rely on God to do everything. God has given us tools, its up to us to use them, if we really wholeheartedly want to be saved. God does not work for us, We work with God. So if we want to be saved? we need to accept his grace, as the gift he has freely given to us. Only then we can see the benefits of seeing grace in action to being saved.
Grace through faith. Not just grace, that's all I'm saying, that's all that Scripture is saying, too, crossnoted
Yes and since Christ died for an individual yet that individual ends up rejecting Christ, does not mean grace did not exist apart from faith. Grace was born at Calvary, our faith partakes of that which is free.
Yes and since Christ died for an individual yet that individual ends up rejecting Christ, does not mean grace did not exist apart from faith. Grace was born at Calvary, our faith partakes of that which is free.
Greenie,
It's best to keep your questions down to one or two with me as my time is limited. Here I'll take this one even though not a question it may be your sticking point.
When speaking of justification we are dealing mainly with God's work at Calvary...a work outside us.
When dealing with sanctification Rom 6-8 we are dealing with a work in us.
The first deals with the sufficiency of Christ's atonement in reconciling mankind to Himself.
The 2nd deals with the sufficiency of His Spirit molding and shaping us who are justified into His image using the Truth's of His Word.
All by Grace, all partaken of through faith.
It's best to keep your questions down to one or two with me as my time is limited. Here I'll take this one even though not a question it may be your sticking point.
Crossnoted, to you:
And, this is NOT just faith in His finished work, it is FAITH in His work that is yet to be finished in us, which will NOT be completed until we are in our glorified body. We are imperfect beings, covered by His blood, but still sinning and will until we get to heaven and this TOO is 'by grace,' but, it's through faith that we are able to understand His grace per Romans 6 and 7, talking about where SIN ABOUNDS, then, GRACE ABOUNDS MORE
And, this is NOT just faith in His finished work, it is FAITH in His work that is yet to be finished in us, which will NOT be completed until we are in our glorified body. We are imperfect beings, covered by His blood, but still sinning and will until we get to heaven and this TOO is 'by grace,' but, it's through faith that we are able to understand His grace per Romans 6 and 7, talking about where SIN ABOUNDS, then, GRACE ABOUNDS MORE
When dealing with sanctification Rom 6-8 we are dealing with a work in us.
The first deals with the sufficiency of Christ's atonement in reconciling mankind to Himself.
The 2nd deals with the sufficiency of His Spirit molding and shaping us who are justified into His image using the Truth's of His Word.
All by Grace, all partaken of through faith.
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We are not saved by faith, we are saved through faith, His faith to us, through this 'channel' we are saved.
"Faith" is such a word, crossnoted, and, it is not one bit legalism, it is simply a trust and a confidence in Christ's work in our life, we are His 'workmanship.' We are NOT partakers of grace through faith.
We ALL have God's grace, ALL of mankind, NOT just Christians, and, by accepting Christ into our heart, which does NOT happen by mere belief, right, even the demons believe in God, but, our acceptance of Christ happens by faith, God works His grace on our heart, and, understanding of His work in our life before being a Christian, which, this is the conviction of the Holy Spirit on the unbeliever.
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crossnoted: When speaking of justification we are dealing mainly with God's work at Calvary...a work outside us.
When dealing with sanctification Rom 6-8 we are dealing with a work in us.
The first deals with the sufficiency of Christ's atonement in reconciling mankind to Himself.
The 2nd deals with the sufficiency of His Spirit molding and shaping us using the Truth's of His Word.
All by Grace, all partaken of through faith.
^^^^^^^^^^^ No, crossnoted, we are not dealing "mainly" with justification being God's work on Calvary, for that is JUST 'grace.' We are mainly dealing with 'justification' equaling BOTH grace and faith. Both grace and faith are 'justified' in Scripture; we are 'justified by grace,' and, 'we are justified' by faith,' hence, we ARE justified by BOTH, not one alone from the other And, that grace is in His finished work on the cross and that faith is in Him. "Faith in Him" means we 'gain Christ.' Philipians 3:8 is clear on this.
When one is 'justified' in doing something, this means someone has just cause , fairness in doing what one has done, such as 'The stealing was justified by the fact that the store clerk, actually, robbed his blind dad earlier that year.' Now, I'm saying 'turn the other cheek,' as Jesus tells us, but this is JUST for the sake of example ,crossnoted
So, God's dying on the cross made us reconciled with God, just as you are saying, I agree, but, that is NOT where the reconciliation is to end, it is 'through faith,' that God asks of us, through understanding that we are His 'workmanship,' just as Ephesians 2:8-10 outlines.
So.... And, how are we justified in His image ??? We are MADE in His image, but we are NOT justified by His image, we are justified BY His GRACE, AND, we have His righteousness imputed us, Christ SEES US as righteous once we accept Him into our hearts and are born again, all this comes through faith, BECAUSE of God's grace . Can you see this channel of by grace we are saved through faith ? Through........ We are justified BY faith, but it is only through faith in Him that we are saved. This has ABSOLUTELY postively NOTHINg TO DO WITH wORKS; it simply has to do with faith in Him leading our life, crossnoted, the Lord leads . "...you follow Me." John 21:22
"Faith" is such a word, crossnoted, and, it is not one bit legalism, it is simply a trust and a confidence in Christ's work in our life, we are His 'workmanship.' We are NOT partakers of grace through faith.
We ALL have God's grace, ALL of mankind, NOT just Christians, and, by accepting Christ into our heart, which does NOT happen by mere belief, right, even the demons believe in God, but, our acceptance of Christ happens by faith, God works His grace on our heart, and, understanding of His work in our life before being a Christian, which, this is the conviction of the Holy Spirit on the unbeliever.
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crossnoted: When speaking of justification we are dealing mainly with God's work at Calvary...a work outside us.
When dealing with sanctification Rom 6-8 we are dealing with a work in us.
The first deals with the sufficiency of Christ's atonement in reconciling mankind to Himself.
The 2nd deals with the sufficiency of His Spirit molding and shaping us using the Truth's of His Word.
All by Grace, all partaken of through faith.
^^^^^^^^^^^ No, crossnoted, we are not dealing "mainly" with justification being God's work on Calvary, for that is JUST 'grace.' We are mainly dealing with 'justification' equaling BOTH grace and faith. Both grace and faith are 'justified' in Scripture; we are 'justified by grace,' and, 'we are justified' by faith,' hence, we ARE justified by BOTH, not one alone from the other
And, that grace is in His finished work on the cross and that faith is in Him. "Faith in Him" means we 'gain Christ.' Philipians 3:8 is clear on this. When one is 'justified' in doing something, this means someone has just cause , fairness in doing what one has done, such as 'The stealing was justified by the fact that the store clerk, actually, robbed his blind dad earlier that year.' Now, I'm saying 'turn the other cheek,' as Jesus tells us, but this is JUST for the sake of example ,crossnoted
So, God's dying on the cross made us reconciled with God, just as you are saying, I agree, but, that is NOT where the reconciliation is to end, it is 'through faith,' that God asks of us, through understanding that we are His 'workmanship,' just as Ephesians 2:8-10 outlines.
So....
And, how are we justified in His image ??? We are MADE in His image, but we are NOT justified by His image, we are justified BY His GRACE, AND, we have His righteousness imputed us, Christ SEES US as righteous once we accept Him into our hearts and are born again, all this comes through faith, BECAUSE of God's grace . Can you see this channel of by grace we are saved through faith ? Through........ We are justified BY faith, but it is only through faith in Him that we are saved. This has ABSOLUTELY postively NOTHINg TO DO WITH wORKS; it simply has to do with faith in Him leading our life, crossnoted, the Lord leads . "...you follow Me." John 21:22
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We are not saved by faith, we are saved through faith, His faith to us, through this 'channel' we are saved.
"Faith" is such a word, crossnoted, and, it is not one bit legalism, it is simply a trust and a confidence in Christ's work in our life, we are His 'workmanship.' We are NOT partakers of grace through faith.
We ALL have God's grace, ALL of mankind, NOT just Christians, and, by accepting Christ into our heart, which does NOT happen by mere belief, right, even the demons believe in God, but, our acceptance of Christ happens by faith, God works His grace on our heart, and, understanding of His work in our life before being a Christian, which, this is the conviction of the Holy Spirit on the unbeliever.
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crossnoted: When speaking of justification we are dealing mainly with God's work at Calvary...a work outside us.
When dealing with sanctification Rom 6-8 we are dealing with a work in us.
The first deals with the sufficiency of Christ's atonement in reconciling mankind to Himself.
The 2nd deals with the sufficiency of His Spirit molding and shaping us using the Truth's of His Word.
All by Grace, all partaken of through faith.
^^^^^^^^^^^ No, crossnoted, we are not dealing "mainly" with justification being God's work on Calvary, for that is JUST 'grace.' We are mainly dealing with 'justification' equaling BOTH grace and faith. Both grace and faith are 'justified' in Scripture; we are 'justified by grace,' and, 'we are justified' by faith,' hence, we ARE justified by BOTH, not one alone from the other And, that grace is in His finished work on the cross and that faith is in Him. "Faith in Him" means we 'gain Christ.' Philipians 3:8 is clear on this.
When one is 'justified' in doing something, this means someone has just cause , fairness in doing what one has done, such as 'The stealing was justified by the fact that the store clerk, actually, robbed his blind dad earlier that year.' Now, I'm saying 'turn the other cheek,' as Jesus tells us, but this is JUST for the sake of example ,crossnoted
So, God's dying on the cross made us reconciled with God, just as you are saying, I agree, but, that is NOT where the reconciliation is to end, it is 'through faith,' that God asks of us, through understanding that we are His 'workmanship,' just as Ephesians 2:8-10 outlines.
So.... And, how are we justified in His image ??? We are MADE in His image, but we are NOT justified by His image, we are justified BY His GRACE, AND, we have His righteousness imputed us, Christ SEES US as righteous once we accept Him into our hearts and are born again, all this comes through faith, BECAUSE of God's grace . Can you see this channel of by grace we are saved through faith ? Through........ We are justified BY faith, but it is only through faith in Him that we are saved. This has ABSOLUTELY postively NOTHINg TO DO WITH wORKS; it simply has to do with faith in Him leading our life, crossnoted, the Lord leads . "...you follow Me." John 21:22
"Faith" is such a word, crossnoted, and, it is not one bit legalism, it is simply a trust and a confidence in Christ's work in our life, we are His 'workmanship.' We are NOT partakers of grace through faith.
We ALL have God's grace, ALL of mankind, NOT just Christians, and, by accepting Christ into our heart, which does NOT happen by mere belief, right, even the demons believe in God, but, our acceptance of Christ happens by faith, God works His grace on our heart, and, understanding of His work in our life before being a Christian, which, this is the conviction of the Holy Spirit on the unbeliever.
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crossnoted: When speaking of justification we are dealing mainly with God's work at Calvary...a work outside us.
When dealing with sanctification Rom 6-8 we are dealing with a work in us.
The first deals with the sufficiency of Christ's atonement in reconciling mankind to Himself.
The 2nd deals with the sufficiency of His Spirit molding and shaping us using the Truth's of His Word.
All by Grace, all partaken of through faith.
^^^^^^^^^^^ No, crossnoted, we are not dealing "mainly" with justification being God's work on Calvary, for that is JUST 'grace.' We are mainly dealing with 'justification' equaling BOTH grace and faith. Both grace and faith are 'justified' in Scripture; we are 'justified by grace,' and, 'we are justified' by faith,' hence, we ARE justified by BOTH, not one alone from the other
And, that grace is in His finished work on the cross and that faith is in Him. "Faith in Him" means we 'gain Christ.' Philipians 3:8 is clear on this. When one is 'justified' in doing something, this means someone has just cause , fairness in doing what one has done, such as 'The stealing was justified by the fact that the store clerk, actually, robbed his blind dad earlier that year.' Now, I'm saying 'turn the other cheek,' as Jesus tells us, but this is JUST for the sake of example ,crossnoted
So, God's dying on the cross made us reconciled with God, just as you are saying, I agree, but, that is NOT where the reconciliation is to end, it is 'through faith,' that God asks of us, through understanding that we are His 'workmanship,' just as Ephesians 2:8-10 outlines.
So....
And, how are we justified in His image ??? We are MADE in His image, but we are NOT justified by His image, we are justified BY His GRACE, AND, we have His righteousness imputed us, Christ SEES US as righteous once we accept Him into our hearts and are born again, all this comes through faith, BECAUSE of God's grace . Can you see this channel of by grace we are saved through faith ? Through........ We are justified BY faith, but it is only through faith in Him that we are saved. This has ABSOLUTELY postively NOTHINg TO DO WITH wORKS; it simply has to do with faith in Him leading our life, crossnoted, the Lord leads . "...you follow Me." John 21:22
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Ok, I am simply speaking my understanding of what you are saying, and, I KNOW what I believe and whom I have believed and it is Jesus Christ as I saved, by grace, through faith. They are an action by God and a reaction by me. Very simple. So, if you have to, just throw out eveything else I say and remember this, we are JUSTIFIED by both for salvation.
That is how simple it is, it's not complicated , crossnoted. We are to be partakers of one thing: His suffering . God bless you, brother, be led by Him, faith in Him, who leads, lives, and, learns you things inside you, as you worship in your spirit and read His truth revealed
That is how simple it is, it's not complicated , crossnoted. We are to be partakers of one thing: His suffering . God bless you, brother, be led by Him, faith in Him, who leads, lives, and, learns you things inside you, as you worship in your spirit and read His truth revealed
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Grace through faith. Not just grace, that's all I'm saying, that's all that Scripture is saying, too, crossnoted
Yes and since Christ died for an individual yet that individual ends up rejecting Christ, does not mean grace did not exist apart from faith. Grace was born at Calvary, our faith partakes of that which is free.
Yes and since Christ died for an individual yet that individual ends up rejecting Christ, does not mean grace did not exist apart from faith. Grace was born at Calvary, our faith partakes of that which is free.
Ok, I am simply speaking my understanding of what you are saying, and, I KNOW what I believe and whom I have believed and it is Jesus Christ as I saved, by grace, through faith. They are an action by God and a reaction by me. Very simple. So, if you have to, just throw out eveything else I say and remember this, we are JUSTIFIED by both for salvation.
That is how simple it is, it's not complicated , crossnoted. We are to be partakers of one thing: His suffering . God bless you, brother, be led by Him, faith in Him, who leads, lives, and, learns you things inside you, as you worship in your spirit and read His truth revealed
That is how simple it is, it's not complicated , crossnoted. We are to be partakers of one thing: His suffering . God bless you, brother, be led by Him, faith in Him, who leads, lives, and, learns you things inside you, as you worship in your spirit and read His truth revealed
A) am accusing you of what you just, or, how you put it.
B)am twisting what you just said.
Again, I am not after you, brother, I am simply holding true to the doctrine received from Him for me. Again, God reaches us all differently, and, reveals things to us all differently, He knows that, we should know that, too, and, we should understand our weaknesses of our flesh, too, and, Satan's advances should be understood as well. But, God rules, reigns, and He wins in the end
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This is the most troubling thing, to my way of understanding Christ's grace in our life, brother:
crossnoted: our faith partakes of that which is free.
How so? Our faith, in the first place, is NOT our faith, it's His faith having been given us, there is a difference in the two, right? "By grace you are saved, through faith, and that not of yourself; it is a free gift of God, that no on should boast.
So, our faith does NOT partake in that which is free, it RECEIVES that which is free, that which is 'grace.' This receiving of grace, through faith, is how we ARE SAVED, brother
It's not believing either, it's not partaking, we partake of communion, but, sorry, we do NOT partake of grace. That is a given, and, it's given by God. THROUGH FAITH, we RECEIVE grace. FAith is the 'channel' through which we receive God's grace of salvation. Does this make sense? There is NO passive correlation of the two words, there is a direct channel from grace to faith BACK to grace, we are saved by faith in God's grace. "Faith" is such a marvelous word, it's ACTIVE. Grace is 'passive,' it's what we don't deserve that we get for free. But, getting eternal life, HAS A PRICE, and, that price is believing in His grace, through FAITH
Crossnoted, there is really only one question you have to answer.BECAUSE of God's grace, will YOU live your life through faith , and, that faith is 'faith in Him.' Philipians 3:8 ...
Blessings, bro, and, sorry, again, for your having to think I was accusing you of things or twisting things you said, NEVER my intent to have my words received that way
The Lord leads
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For by the grace given me I say to every one of you: Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought, but rather think of yourself with sober judgment, in accordance with the faith God has distributed to each of you. Romans 12:3
Because of His grace, the Spirit's leading us unto understanding, we use our faith, increase our faith, which He grows as we know to just obey, go His way, faith-fully following Him within our own accord He's planned out for us
Because of His grace, the Spirit's leading us unto understanding, we use our faith, increase our faith, which He grows as we know to just obey, go His way, faith-fully following Him within our own accord He's planned out for us