Eve & the talking Snake

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Mo0448

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I was thinking of the scripture story of Adam & Eve and I got into some very deep thought (almost drowned in it :p) When the snake began to speak to Eve, it does not appear that Eve was shocked or surprised that it was speaking to her. If something that normally doesn't talk begins talking to you, you'd definitely be asking questions and not have such a casual conversation with it. Considering this thought, did snakes, or other animals have the ability to speak? From my understanding if they did not, how did Eve not act confused or surprised when the snake spoke to her? Or was she so naive (no offense ladies) that she didn't think about it? The second thing, I was considering that while this whole conversation was going on, where in the world was Adam? Was he hanging out at a different place in the garden? Scriptures clearly demonstrate that Eve was having a conversation with the snake, it does not specify Adam being present. Or was he there and as usual for men not listening? hahaha. I understand that this does not in any way add or take away from my salvation, it is just an interesting thought I had and I was wondering what other individuals thought.

God Bless!
 
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enoch1nine

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The serpent was inside Eve.
It's that thought process that a person goes through when they consider sinning vs. not sinning, and convince themselves that "it won't hurt anything"
Scapegoating.
Excusing one's self from responsibility.
Blaming one's transgressions on a literal snake or external Satan, instead of taking accountability.
The sin of Judah.

Same thing Judah did when he reasoned that selling Joseph into slavery would somehow free Judah and his brothers from being guilty of the sin of killing Joseph. He reasoned, "well, he's in that pit, he's gonna die anyway now, I can't get my brothers to change their mind, but if I can get them to sell him to somebody else, we'll get a little money and the slavers will be the ones that are responsible for killing him or whatever happens, not us."

Same thing Judas did when he reasoned that the pharisees were so determined to get Jesus, it was just a matter of time anyway, Judas might as well make a little money off of it, and since they're the ones that are actually going to do the killing, Judas "won't be guilty."

The serpent is us on the inside when we excuse our sin before we do it.
Satan is the part of our self that we hate and wish we could cast out. Our adversary. And God is going to cast Him out.
All of the physical stories teach us something about our selves. All the characters are ways we think and behave.

We can never make heads or tails of a literal talking snake. But to keep the one inside us in check, will change hearts.
Repentance and brotherly love, not biblical wisdom, for the win.

The bible says making perfume that smells like dead insects is more valuable than mixing folly with wisdom, like blaming our sin on Eve and a demon possessed talking snake. Folly.
 

Mo0448

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The serpent was inside Eve.
It's that thought process that a person goes through when they consider sinning vs. not sinning, and convince themselves that "it won't hurt anything"
Scapegoating.
Excusing one's self from responsibility.
Blaming one's transgressions on a literal snake or external Satan, instead of taking accountability.
The sin of Judah.

Same thing Judah did when he reasoned that selling Joseph into slavery would somehow free Judah and his brothers from being guilty of the sin of killing Joseph. He reasoned, "well, he's in that pit, he's gonna die anyway now, I can't get my brothers to change their mind, but if I can get them to sell him to somebody else, we'll get a little money and the slavers will be the ones that are responsible for killing him or whatever happens, not us."

Same thing Judas did when he reasoned that the pharisees were so determined to get Jesus, it was just a matter of time anyway, Judas might as well make a little money off of it, and since they're the ones that are actually going to do the killing, Judas "won't be guilty."

The serpent is us on the inside when we excuse our sin before we do it.
Satan is the part of our self that we hate and wish we could cast out. Our adversary. And God is going to cast Him out.
All of the physical stories teach us something about our selves. All the characters are ways we think and behave.

We can never make heads or tails of a literal talking snake. But to keep the one inside us in check, will change hearts.
Repentance and brotherly love, not biblical wisdom, for the win.

The bible says making perfume that smells like dead insects is more valuable than mixing folly with wisdom, like blaming our sin on Eve and a demon possessed talking snake. Folly.
Very interesting point I never looked at it that way.
 
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enoch1nine

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Very interesting point I never looked at it that way.
To find a needle in a haystack...

burn the haystack.
 

allaboutlove

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Its an interesting thought but the bible does seem to make it sound more like a literal snake because after the whole or deal he gives out diffrent pinishments to the snake an to eve i would think if it was just inside her head that God wouldnt have made the distinction.
 

Mo0448

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Genesis 4

13 Cain said to the Lord, “My punishment is more than I can bear. 14 Today you are driving me from the land, and I will be hidden from your presence; I will be a restless wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me.”

15 But the Lord said to him, “Not sow ; anyone who kills Cain will suffer vengeance seven times over.” Then the Lord put a mark on Cain so that no one who found him would kill him. 16 So Cain went out from the Lord’s presence and lived in the land of Nod,f east of Eden.

Here's another interesting one. The fact that Cain indicates he will be hidden from God's presence and whoever finds him would kill him. Does that mean there was an indicator of God's presence that people could visually see or feel? Second thing which is even more interesting, is what kind of 'mark' did God put on cain? I've thought maybe a visual mark or else how would they know that God had marked him. Perhaps a scar, but he could hide the scar and people wouldn't know he was marked by God. I want answers!!! hahaha
 
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nathan3

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I was thinking of the scripture story of Adam & Eve and I got into some very deep thought (almost drowned in it :p) When the snake began to speak to Eve, it does not appear that Eve was shocked or surprised that it was speaking to her. If something that normally doesn't talk begins talking to you, you'd definitely be asking questions and not have such a casual conversation with it. Considering this thought, did snakes, or other animals have the ability to speak? From my understanding if they did not, how did Eve not act confused or surprised when the snake spoke to her? Or was she so naive (no offense ladies) that she didn't think about it? The second thing, I was considering that while this whole conversation was going on, where in the world was Adam? Was he hanging out at a different place in the garden? Scriptures clearly demonstrate that Eve was having a conversation with the snake, it does not specify Adam being present. Or was he there and as usual for men not listening? hahaha. I understand that this does not in any way add or take away from my salvation, it is just an interesting thought I had and I was wondering what other individuals thought.

God Bless!

When are we going to mature as Christians ? When will we listen to God's words rather then men, that are lead by Satan ?
 

Mo0448

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come again? I'm confused by your statement. Are you claiming I am being led by the devil? Just want to make sure I am not passing incorrect judgement here...
 
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nathan3

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come again? I'm confused by your statement. Are you claiming I am being led by the devil? Just want to make sure I am not passing incorrect judgement here...
I said Christians should mature. Or remain in the dark concerning God's word.
 

Mo0448

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Yes I got that part. I know the question I pose will do nothing to better or hinder my salvation it was just something interesting that I thought about. If you had a literal snake start talking to you if you're like me you'd be like Wow a talking snake...wait a minute something is not right about this. Now if it was normal for snakes to talk then you wouldn't think anything of it. That's the meat of the question I am posing could snakes talk? Biblicaly it is said that snakes were very majestic creatures so maybe they could speak who knows? I'll have to ask the Lord someday.

Other things like the Cain case is interesting what kind of mark would show everyone that it was a mark of God? It was not like he had a neon sign or something? haha

I don't know just random thoughts I guess
 
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enoch1nine

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Genesis 4

13 Cain said to the Lord
Cain is the part of each of us that is interested in "getting things" from God.
Namely, approval. It's smeared all over his story from name at birth onward.

He finally gets it the correct way, after repentance, illustrated by a "mark" in his forehead.
The promise that he will receive the salvation he cried out for, because he changed his ways when he said

"My punishment is greater than I can bear."

You know, when you beat yourself up over a sin and wish you could take it back.
That's a punishment too great to bear, for a person who is truly sorry.
When a person gets to this point, they change their ways, they "repent", they stop the sin.

Having your "name" written in the Lamb's book of life as "Adam", "Eve", "Cain", "Daniel", "Nebuchadnezzar", etc., is much much more than scribble on a literal santa claus list.
You gotta try to feel what they felt in the story.
 
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Shiloah

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Cain is the part of each of us that is interested in "getting things" from God.
Namely, approval. It's smeared all over his story from name at birth onward.

He finally gets it the correct way, after repentance, illustrated by a "mark" in his forehead.
The promise that he will receive the salvation he cried out for, because he changed his ways when he said

"My punishment is greater than I can bear."

You know, when you beat yourself up over a sin and wish you could take it back.
That's a punishment too great to bear, for a person who is truly sorry.
When a person gets to this point, they change their ways, they "repent", they stop the sin.

Having your "name" written in the Lamb's book of life as "Adam", "Eve", "Cain", "Daniel", "Nebuchadnezzar", etc., is much much more than scribble on a literal santa claus list.
You gotta try to feel what they felt in the story.
That's an interesting point. It makes me wonder what the purpose of punishment is for if not to save a person from hell fire? Because the punishment of hell fire is never-ending with no hope of ever being saved? Does that make sense to you?
 
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Shiloah

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Yes I got that part. I know the question I pose will do nothing to better or hinder my salvation it was just something interesting that I thought about. If you had a literal snake start talking to you if you're like me you'd be like Wow a talking snake...wait a minute something is not right about this. Now if it was normal for snakes to talk then you wouldn't think anything of it. That's the meat of the question I am posing could snakes talk? Biblicaly it is said that snakes were very majestic creatures so maybe they could speak who knows? I'll have to ask the Lord someday.

Other things like the Cain case is interesting what kind of mark would show everyone that it was a mark of God? It was not like he had a neon sign or something? haha

I don't know just random thoughts I guess
I'm naive, but hey... I'd notice if a snake was talking to me. ;) I've always wondered about this myself. I think much more went on in that Garden of Eden than we'll know until Christ comes again. And as for questions like this having to do with salvation? I'd like to think God wants us to get to the place we can think beyond that, what about you? Is it like - "I gotta get through those pearly gates, so let's not bother with anything but that?" Unfortunately, that is often said in arguments though, that if this doesn't apply to salvation, let's not bother with it. Of course, there's no reason for people to get all heated and start fighting over non-salvation issues either, I understand.
 
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I was thinking of the scripture story of Adam & Eve and I got into some very deep thought (almost drowned in it :p) When the snake began to speak to Eve, it does not appear that Eve was shocked or surprised that it was speaking to her. If something that normally doesn't talk begins talking to you, you'd definitely be asking questions and not have such a casual conversation with it. Considering this thought, did snakes, or other animals have the ability to speak? From my understanding if they did not, how did Eve not act confused or surprised when the snake spoke to her? Or was she so naive (no offense ladies) that she didn't think about it? The second thing, I was considering that while this whole conversation was going on, where in the world was Adam? Was he hanging out at a different place in the garden? Scriptures clearly demonstrate that Eve was having a conversation with the snake, it does not specify Adam being present. Or was he there and as usual for men not listening? hahaha. I understand that this does not in any way add or take away from my salvation, it is just an interesting thought I had and I was wondering what other individuals thought.

God Bless!
Things were different before they were casted out from the garden. Eve was barely born and if something comes up to her and started talking to her, it wouldn't be surprise.
 
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Jorina

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I was thinking of the scripture story of Adam & Eve and I got into some very deep thought (almost drowned in it :p) When the snake began to speak to Eve, it does not appear that Eve was shocked or surprised that it was speaking to her. If something that normally doesn't talk begins talking to you, you'd definitely be asking questions and not have such a casual conversation with it. Considering this thought, did snakes, or other animals have the ability to speak? From my understanding if they did not, how did Eve not act confused or surprised when the snake spoke to her? Or was she so naive (no offense ladies) that she didn't think about it? The second thing, I was considering that while this whole conversation was going on, where in the world was Adam? Was he hanging out at a different place in the garden? Scriptures clearly demonstrate that Eve was having a conversation with the snake, it does not specify Adam being present. Or was he there and as usual for men not listening? hahaha. I understand that this does not in any way add or take away from my salvation, it is just an interesting thought I had and I was wondering what other individuals thought.

God Bless!
Why would Eve be thinking it was weird that there was a talking snake when there is nothing written in the Bible about her being thinking how weird it was that 'plop' there she is; next to a man who is talking to her, surrounded by an incredible amount of animals and in the presence of a God? It either must all have been a great shock to her or it must all have been kind of normal for her..

Anyway there are many things like these that have happened but where not all that happened is been written down. So maybe she thought it was strange to meet a talking snake but has it just not been written down.

Its an interesting question though, i like it :).
 
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nathan3

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She was not talking to a snake: We should all know by now, unless your new to the faith, that the serpent is one of Satan's names ( Rev 12:9 kjv ) If you don't know this , how can anyone understand any of the figures of speech used in the Bible? The answer is you can't .If you have been a Christian for some time, and have not bothered to read what is written in there yourself, about these things then it ends up being a shame in the end.
 
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Jorina

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The serpent was inside Eve.
The serpent was NOT inside Eve. Please read your Bible carefully:

Genesis 3:1 'Now the serpent was more subtil than any other beast of the field which the Lord God has made.'
So the serpent is a beast of the field, like the other beasts of the field: not something inside Eve.
 

Mo0448

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there is nothing written in the Bible about her being thinking how weird it was that 'plop' there she is
I mean God gave her the 411 didn't he? Interesting point. Here's an even more interesting point...did Adam and Eve have belly buttons if they weren't 'conceived'?
 
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Jorina

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She was not talking to a snake: We should all know by now, unless your a new to the faith, that the serpent is one of Satan's names ( Rev 12:9 kjv ) If you don't know this , how can anyone understand any of the figures of speech used in the Bible? The answer is you can't .
Hi Nathan, well she was talking to a snake. God Himself talks to the snake as we can read in Genesis 3:14 'And the Lord God said unto the serpent..'

Ofcourse its true that the real one who was talking to Eve (through the snake) was the Devil. But Eve didnt know that it wasnt really the snake that was talking so she was actually talking to the snake.