Christian or Secular Counseling?

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Which is Most Effective: Christian or Secular Counseling?


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NiceneCreed

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This is an article I wrote that gives us a brief look into the purpose of Christian counseling. What type of counseling do you feel is more effective; Secular or Christian? Can secular counseling truly heal a person?


There are many problems Christians are faced with, as they are exposed to “distresses like father absence, abuse, violence, marital discord, and emotional problems,” and while some may argue these problems stem from or affect only the secular world, it is evident Christians, too, are not immune to these types of problems (Clinton, T., Ohlschlager, G., & Hart, A. (2009).[FONT="Times New Roman" ][1][/FONT][/URL] It is the role of Christian counselors to therefore address specific problems Christian individuals may face, by guiding the individuals with proper application of Scripture in their lives to produce positive change. This task can be accomplished by individuals who are facing spiritual and psychological problems, who first recognize and acknowledge they need help that only God can provide and ask a Christian counselor for proper guidance. This does not mean, however, that individuals who suffer from mental illness should not seek out professional secular counseling (Medication in some cases) to facilitate the healing as it were, of the whole person. [FONT="Times New Roman" ] Mental illnesses vary in degrees of an individual’s ability to process guidance from a counselor. An example of this would be someone suffering from bipolar disorder that is cognizant of the direction being provided by the Christian counselor, whereas someone with schizophrenia would struggle with determining the direction of the Christian counselor until treated with medication, as schizophrenics often suffer from auditory hallucinations and the inability to perceive environmental occurrences appropriately, rendering their cognitive capabilities ineffective. This could potentially lead to detrimental effects, as an individual may misperceive the direction being given by a Christian counselor. Professional secular counseling is therefore useful as an aid to help an individual who may otherwise, if left untreated, potentially unable to process the guidance of a Christian counselor. Yet this view does not denote the healing power of Christ.[/FONT]
[FONT="Times New Roman" ] [/FONT][FONT="Times New Roman" ] Effective Christian counseling does indeed support a “curative theology” and biblical sanctification, and secular counseling is ineffective in truly healing an individual (Even in cases where an individual is suffering from mental illness). What makes Christian counseling more effective than secular counseling is that it does not attempt to negate the healing power of Christ. As stated in [I]Caring for People God’s way[/I], “. . . when God is truly present in counseling, sin can be redemptively accepted and honestly disclosed – as the Holy Spirit leads us. Wounds and traumas that still bind us – things we thought were resolved or that we simply live in denial about – can be revealed and washed away in supernatural healing” (Clinton, T., Ohlschlager, G., & Hart, A. (2009).[URL="http://bb7.liberty.edu/webapps/discussionboard/do/message?action=create&do=create&postfirstedit=true&requestType=thread&forum_id=_2562105_1&nav=discussion_board&conf_id=_964857_1&course_id=_1992504_1#_ftn2"][FONT="Times New Roman" ][2][/FONT][/URL] This is something which occurs when one has a deep and meaningful relationship with Christ and is sanctified (sanctification literally means, “To make holy”) through obedience, prayer, and living a righteous life.[URL="http://bb7.liberty.edu/webapps/discussionboard/do/message?action=create&do=create&postfirstedit=true&requestType=thread&forum_id=_2562105_1&nav=discussion_board&conf_id=_964857_1&course_id=_1992504_1#_ftn3"][3]
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As the apostle Paul said, “Therefore, since we have these promises, dear friends, let us purify ourselves from everything that contaminates body and spirit, perfecting holiness out of reverence for God” (2 Corinthians 7:1, New International Version, 2011). If “curative theology” and sanctification are absent in counseling, it renders the counseling ineffective, as it cannot truly heal the individual. Although this topic needs to be studied further on my part, it is apparent Christian counseling is effective because it provides the only true remedy to life’s problems; Jesus Christ.
 
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Tintin

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#2
Your article is difficult to read in that format, so I'll just post my quick thoughts. A qualified non-Christian counsellor would be much more effective than a mediocre to poor Christian counsellor. But a qualified Christian counsellor who works in partnership with the Holy Spirit (the ultimate Counsellor) would be the most effective, because they would treat you as a holistic person, with a spiritual component to your identity. That said, God is Lord of all, so he can work through anyone he pleases, and he does.
 

crossnote

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I've studied secular psychology and the theories are in constant flux. From the Christian side it seems that noeuthetic approach with the guidance of the Holy Spirit is best.
 
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megaman125

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#4
When I was suicidal for a short time, I went to secular counseling, before I was a Christian. The thing I took away from it was that I shouldn't take out my frustrations/hurt on myself, and I extended that to mean I should take them out on other people (they didn't teach that last part). The result, I wasn't suicidal, but I was still miserable, and I made sure those around me were too, especially those trying to interact with me.

Yeah, if I even need counseling for something again, it's going to be Christian counseling or nothing at all.
 
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Tintin

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#5
Sounds like a pretty poor non-Christian counsellor to me! They should totally know to cover that side of the issue.
 

maxwel

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Apr 18, 2013
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Secular counseling is sometimes effective because sometimes is draws from simple, observable things, and accidentally stumbles upon biblical principles. If you use biblical principles about how the heart and mind work, even if you are an atheist, those principles will still be effective.

But I agree with Tintin, a qualified, intelligent Christian counselor is the best way to go.
Always.
 

Elizabeth619

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Theories in secular psychology change all the time. One example is that not to many years ago secular psychologists said homosexuality is a mental disorder and can be treated. Now psychologists say an individual is born with it.
Christian psychology doesn't change. It's been the same for 2000+ years. For this very reason is why I prefer Christian over secular.
 

Angela53510

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I have been to a number of counselors over the years, and the best one was a secular counselor who saved my marriage, by not blaming us, but addressing the issue of my husband's severe depression. Not one Christian counsellor picked up on that. He got on medications, and our marriage has been awesome for the last 8 years, as opposed to a nightmare for the preceding 25 years.

I think a good counselor needs to draw on a lot of resources, Christian or otherwise. A good Christian counsellor would know the DSM IV and be willing to send the person for psychiatric counseling. They would be able to use a variety of methods, and be directed by the Holy Spirit.

Most of the Christian counsellors my husband and I went to just parroted a line about being good little Christians and never addressed the elephant in the room. It took 4 sessions to put my marriage in order, with a visit to a psychiatrist for my husband after the first interview.

I know and believe the Bible has all the answers for therapy. And God can help us. But sometimes, he chooses a slower path of transformation, including learning humility and self discipline. Developing those qualities takes time and a deep relationship with God. No counselor can impart that. Except the Counsellor who is the Holy Spirit.

So deal with the body, the mind with someone qualified, and deal with the spirit with the only one qualified - the Holy Spirit.
 
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megaman125

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Sounds like a pretty poor non-Christian counsellor to me! They should totally know to cover that side of the issue.
He was a decent counselor from the few times I met with him. And he did cover that side, I just didn't care for what he was putting forth because it didn't fit with my self-centered view (and my version did). So then I just nodded and changed the subject quickly, and he just went along with it. Yeah, I was also into manipulating people too.
 
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Tintin

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#10
Oh, okay. Apologies.
 
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megaman125

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#11
Oh, okay. Apologies.
No problem. I can't blame you, your response was based on the few lines of text that I posted, whereas my few lines of text was based on my entire experience of the thing.
 
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Tintin

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#12
Cheers, mate. There are a quite a few frustrating people here on CC, but you're not one of them.
 
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NiceneCreed

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Your article is difficult to read in that format, so I'll just post my quick thoughts. A qualified non-Christian counsellor would be much more effective than a mediocre to poor Christian counsellor. But a qualified Christian counsellor who works in partnership with the Holy Spirit (the ultimate Counsellor) would be the most effective, because they would treat you as a holistic person, with a spiritual component to your identity. That said, God is Lord of all, so he can work through anyone he pleases, and he does.

Sorry about the format issue. I will repost the short article below.




There are many problems Christians are faced with, as they are exposed to “distresses like father absence, abuse, violence, marital discord, and emotional problems,” and while some may argue these problems stem from or affect only the secular world, it is evident Christians, too, are not immune to these types of problems (Clinton, T., Ohlschlager, G., & Hart, A. (2009).[1] It is the role of Christian counselors to therefore address specific problems Christian individuals may face, by guiding the individuals with proper application of Scripture in their lives to produce positive change. This task can be accomplished by individuals who are facing spiritual and psychological problems, who first recognize and acknowledge they need help that only God can provide and ask a Christian counselor for proper guidance. This does not mean, however, that individuals who suffer from mental illness should not seek out professional secular counseling (Medication in some cases) to facilitate the healing as it were, of the whole person.
Mental illnesses vary in degrees of an individual’s ability to process guidance from a counselor. An example of this would be someone suffering from bipolar disorder that is cognizant of the direction being provided by the Christian counselor, whereas someone with schizophrenia would struggle with determining the direction of the Christian counselor until treated with medication, as schizophrenics often suffer from auditory hallucinations and the inability to perceive environmental occurrences appropriately, rendering their cognitive capabilities ineffective. This could potentially lead to detrimental effects, as an individual may misperceive the direction being given by a Christian counselor. Professional secular counseling is therefore useful as an aid to help an individual who may otherwise, if left untreated, potentially unable to process the guidance of a Christian counselor. Yet this view does not denote the healing power of Christ.

Effective Christian counseling does indeed support a “curative theology” and biblical sanctification, and secular counseling is ineffective in truly healing an individual (Even in cases where an individual is suffering from mental illness). What makes Christian counseling more effective than secular counseling is that it does not attempt to negate the healing power of Christ. As stated in Caring for People God’s way, “. . . when God is truly present in counseling, sin can be redemptively accepted and honestly disclosed – as the Holy Spirit leads us. Wounds and traumas that still bind us – things we thought were resolved or that we simply live in denial about –can be revealed and washed away in supernatural healing” (Clinton, T., Ohlschlager, G., & Hart, A. (2009).[2] This is something which occurs when one has a deep and meaningful relationship with Christ and is sanctified (sanctification literally means, “To make holy”) through obedience, prayer, and living arighteous life.[3]
As the apostle Paul said, “Therefore, since we have these promises, dear friends, let us purify ourselves from everything that contaminates body and spirit, perfecting holiness out of reverence for God” (2 Corinthians 7:1, New InternationalVersion, 2011). If “curative theology”and sanctification are absent in counseling, it renders the counseling ineffective, as it cannot truly heal the individual. Although this topic needs to be studied further on my part, it is apparent Christian counseling is effective because it provides the only true remedy to life’s problems; Jesus Christ.















References
Clinton, T., Ohlschlager, G., & Hart, A. (2009). Caringfor People God's Way: Personal and Emotional Issues, Addictions, Grief, andTrauma. Thomas Nelson Inc. pp. 3&19.
Sanctification -Baker's Evangelical Dictionary of Biblical Theology Online. (n.d.). Retrievedfromhttp://www.biblestudytools.com/dictionaries/bakers-evangelical-dictionary/sanctification.html


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Clinton, T., Ohlschlager, G., & Hart, A. (2009).Caring for People God's Way: Personal and Emotional Issues, Addictions, Grief,and Trauma. Thomas Nelson Inc. p. 3.

[2]Clinton, T., Ohlschlager, G., & Hart, A. (2009). Caring for People God'sWay: Personal and Emotional Issues, Addictions, Grief, and Trauma. ThomasNelson Inc. p. 19

[3]http://www.biblestudytools.com/dictionaries/bakers-evangelical-dictionary/sanctification.html




 
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NiceneCreed

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I am happy to hear you have found Christ! Your story is truly inspirational to myself and others. Thank you, and God Bless!
 

Angela53510

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I've read all those books when I took Biblical Counseling. I think we need to define the difference between counseling and psychiatric care.

A person with an Axis I disorders like bipolar disorder, schizophrenia and depression with psychosis need to be dealt with in a medical setting. No amount of counseling is going to change the neurotransmitters which are doing strange things to the person's perception of living, be it mood issues or hallucinations, or flat affect.

Axis II - not really a lot you can do for mentally challenged in a psychiatric way. Counseling might help with the stigma, if they are able to cognitively understand the issues. As for personality disorders, a very difficult issue to deal with. Probably Christian counseling might help, but you need a very committed person to actually be able to change a personality disorder. I have a brother with Borderline, and he made a commitment to Christ, then just walked away when he didn't get his way one day.

As for people without life strategies or in difficult circumstances, Christian counseling is definitely a good approach. Following God's plan for our lives, even if it gets tough, is always the way to grow and find the joy of the Lord, even if not the happiness we somehow feel entitled to.

So please everyone, do not confuse mental illness (a brain disorder) with someone suffering from difficult circumstances and needing some direct and correct advice on how to get through these difficulties.

Reading the article in the new format NC, really helped me!

One of the best books I have read on Christian counseling is Larry Crabb's book "Understanding People: Why We Long For Relationship" He deals with the hard issues in a very Biblical manner.

For a more noetic approach, "Seeing With New Eyes: Counseling and the Human Condition Through the Lens of Scripture" by David Powlison really inspired me!
 
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MaggieMye

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I know this will draw a LOT of flack from certain people, but I am going to say it anyway: People needing 'counseling' of any kind need
First: to KNOW the word of God.
Second: Deliverance. There is not a person born that does not need deliverance to one degree or another. The KEY is that if one gets it early in life and then learns the Word of God, they WILL BE the OVERCOMER that He created us to be and the 'need' for counseling simply evaporates.
Maggie
 

maxwel

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I know this will draw a LOT of flack from certain people, but I am going to say it anyway: People needing 'counseling' of any kind need
First: to KNOW the word of God.
Second: Deliverance. There is not a person born that does not need deliverance to one degree or another. The KEY is that if one gets it early in life and then learns the Word of God, they WILL BE the OVERCOMER that He created us to be and the 'need' for counseling simply evaporates.
Maggie
MaggieMye,

I'm sure you are a very kind, sincere Christian, and you're only voicing your heartfelt beliefs,
so I don't want to be unkind.

Nonetheless, I can't think of any place in scripture that says EVERY SAVED BELIEVER needs personal deliverance from demons - especially if this "deliverance" is thought of as deliverance from demons actually "indwelling" a believer, which also has no foundation in scripture.

I can't think of any scripture to support any of this.

It doesn't sound like scripture; it sounds like something taught by guys doing deliverance ministries, who only make money if they have people to deliver from demons... over and over and over.

MaggieMye, I don't dislike you in any way... I just disagree with you.
 
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The Secular counselor will not give any lasting change, he/sh views it as bad information, or maybe your chemicals are messed up. What is interesting in the past 100 years of research, they really don't know if it's the presence or absence of these chemicals that makes things happen. It's a fallen head trying to help another fallen head, that really only puts a patch on the wound

A Christian counselor, by God's grace, gets to the root of the matter, and points it out, and believes only God can heal the hurts and hangups, and behavioral problems.

I don't think a Christian can be demon possessed if they are indwelt by the Holy Spirit. You can however be influenced by demons, and be controlled by them in certain areas. A foothold by Satan - a place where he can attack you, that you have personally given to satan.
Possession - actually means ownership - can a believer be owned by satan?

If you hold onto your sin, if you don't want what God wants for you in this area and you are not going to repent, that demon still has legal right over that area in your life.

If you are so given over to the power of the demonic, you probably need help of your elders and pastors, and be discipled closely


I know that God has been healing many areas in my life, over time, and the consistent pursuit on my part of Him.
 
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Graybeard

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I'v been suicidal a few times in the past, have had severe depression, never been to secular counselling or Christian counselling as I mostly hid my feelings. When I was in severe depression I would simply withdraw from everyone.
I'm still here and coping, I credit it to God's Grace and the ever guidance of The Holy Spirit.