The Accuracy of the Four Gospels
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Well, I do think that the Gospels were written under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, but I also believe as times change, the Holy Spirit guides us to make changes, too. I don't think all of what is written in the Gospel was designed to carry on for so long, especially with the changes in social customes, and laws. I personally believe that women are called to God to speak and hold positions of authority in the church. Why would satan call a woman to preach? It doesn't make sense for him to want a woman to study the word of God and lead Christians in love and unity does it? The bible is an EXCELLENT tool to start your faith, to find out who Jesus is and to see what his great commandments are to us. My priest once told me, anything that doesn't go directly against the Nicene or the Apostles Creed is open to interpretation and change with the guidance and discernment of the Holy Spirit. Because the Bible is so old, so much context is missing when we read it, things we don'tunderstand because they aren't norms of our society. That's why God gave us the Holy Spirit, so we could follow what He was saying to us, and so we can listen to Him every day. God and Jesus aren't captured in the Bible, it's not some boundary that keeps all the rules and laws. God can change anything he wants, and he gave us a very powerful tool (the Holy Spirit) to hear what he wants changed.
There were two great commandments, Love God with all your heart, and love your neighbor like you would yourself. If you follow those rules, I dont' think you can disobey Jesus.
There were two great commandments, Love God with all your heart, and love your neighbor like you would yourself. If you follow those rules, I dont' think you can disobey Jesus.
Yeah, in response to Harley_Angel's comment about women being led to serve in the church, I personally agree, that G-d uses all people, according to HIS purposes, not according to our own limited understanding of who should be doing what.
But to my knowledge, the 4 gospels do not contain any prohibitions against such things anyway.
But to my knowledge, the 4 gospels do not contain any prohibitions against such things anyway.
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I've been told that it’s okay to disobey Jesus, because the four Gospels were written so long after Jesus died that it was impossible for the writers to remember exactly what Jesus said. I would argue that Jesus certainly had people writing his teachings down before he died. What do you think?
Believe God over what man says:
"It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man." Psalm 118:8
Why would anyone even remotely consider it ok to disobey Jesus in spite of what the Word says?
"That thou mayest love the LORD thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them." Deuteronomy 30:20
If man disobeys the Lord's gospel(by not believing it) it will cost them eternity in the lake of fire:
"In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power" 2 Thess. 1:8-9
Writers didn't write whatever they felt like. The Word is clear:
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:" 2 Tim 3:16
"Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost." 2 Peter 1:20-21
Believe God over what man says:
"It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man." Psalm 118:8
Why would anyone even remotely consider it ok to disobey Jesus in spite of what the Word says?
"That thou mayest love the LORD thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them." Deuteronomy 30:20
If man disobeys the Lord's gospel(by not believing it) it will cost them eternity in the lake of fire:
"In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power" 2 Thess. 1:8-9
Writers didn't write whatever they felt like. The Word is clear:
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:" 2 Tim 3:16
"Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost." 2 Peter 1:20-21
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No women are to lead men btw....Good thread to check out:
http://christianchat.com/showthread.php?t=2982
http://christianchat.com/showthread.php?t=2982
It is fun reading your comments.
I think there is a misconception among some. In my opinion, churches are not run by pastors, and therefore a woman pastor has no authority over a man. Churches should be run democratically. In the United Methodist Church, to which I belong, we have an administrative council, elected by the congregation, that runs the church.
I think there is a misconception among some. In my opinion, churches are not run by pastors, and therefore a woman pastor has no authority over a man. Churches should be run democratically. In the United Methodist Church, to which I belong, we have an administrative council, elected by the congregation, that runs the church.
what you just said about the devil very much conflicts what the Bible says about him
2co 11:12But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we.2co 11:13For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.2co 11:14And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.2co 11:15Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
He deceived woman into going against the Word of God in the beginning and he is still up to his ole tricks, and I am not the one that started this topic in here someone else did.
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A close reading of John 14-16 will inform the ignorant that Jesus did not depend upon their memories. He stated that it was the role of the Holy Spirit to teach them, guide them, and bring to their remembrance what he did and said.
3 if not all 4 of the gospels were written within the time from of the generation then living, possible within 25 years. Lots of people write biographies or even their own autobiographies YEARS after the events. With the help of the Holy Spirit getting an accurate record of Jesus' life and teachings is no problem.
3 if not all 4 of the gospels were written within the time from of the generation then living, possible within 25 years. Lots of people write biographies or even their own autobiographies YEARS after the events. With the help of the Holy Spirit getting an accurate record of Jesus' life and teachings is no problem.
who has the misconception here :
1co 14:34Let your women keep SILENCE in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
who said that the methodist had everything down pact. show me councils in the Church of Bible times show me co-pastors in the Bible
if you have more than one making the decisions of the way of the Church then you have confusion and a lot of splits such as the one that the methodist and alot of other churches are having splits now even over the Homosexual issues, so which one of the metthodist are you part of the ones that believe that it is ok for the pastor of the Flock to be living in open sin are the ones that still hold on to holiness,
Bob1953 The exact time the gospels were written is a mystery and has never been resolved. Some say that all the gospels were destroyed in 70 AD and had to be re-written. I can see this view, but not necessarily agree with it. Some think the gospels were written around 70 AD - 140 AD. Which would make the apostles very old when they were written.
I notice first of all that the gospels are written in third party, they are not written in first hand like the letters of Paul, James, Peter and so forth. This concerns me because there must be a reason for this or they were in fact opinion of events. I tend to think they were instructed to write them in third party to force a seeker to seek rather than openly tell how to find salvation.
I also think since the Man of Sin, (satan) has been given authority to deceive the world that writing them in third party allows for the deception and the truth at the same time, revealing the truth to Gods children while leaving the deception to Satan's.
Something not often considered is the strong possibility that some of the Apostles are still among us today. They may have helped to form the bible and keep records straight until they become revealed as the last two witnesses.
Harley_Angel Women can speak on the word of God. One reason scriptures change for a person is the understanding they develop that changes constantly. I cannot read the bible the same as I read it 30 years ago, plus, my understanding exceeds the understanding of what is most commonly taught. So who can teach me when I know what they teach is not correct? And I mean the most prominent claimed scholars do not know what I know. The word or bible does not change, it's the understanding one has that does, which looks like the words change.
I notice first of all that the gospels are written in third party, they are not written in first hand like the letters of Paul, James, Peter and so forth. This concerns me because there must be a reason for this or they were in fact opinion of events. I tend to think they were instructed to write them in third party to force a seeker to seek rather than openly tell how to find salvation.
I also think since the Man of Sin, (satan) has been given authority to deceive the world that writing them in third party allows for the deception and the truth at the same time, revealing the truth to Gods children while leaving the deception to Satan's.
Something not often considered is the strong possibility that some of the Apostles are still among us today. They may have helped to form the bible and keep records straight until they become revealed as the last two witnesses.
Harley_Angel Women can speak on the word of God. One reason scriptures change for a person is the understanding they develop that changes constantly. I cannot read the bible the same as I read it 30 years ago, plus, my understanding exceeds the understanding of what is most commonly taught. So who can teach me when I know what they teach is not correct? And I mean the most prominent claimed scholars do not know what I know. The word or bible does not change, it's the understanding one has that does, which looks like the words change.
This is ridiculous.
Let me get this straight - we are saying that we can go against the word of God as outlined in the bible if we are feeling led to do so by the holy spirit?
If that was happening to me, I would question what it really was that I was being led by.
God chose to make these events happen when they did. So what. Doesn't mean we should go against God's word because it doesn't fit in with the standards of modern society.
Christianity is counter-cultural. Get used to it.
Let me get this straight - we are saying that we can go against the word of God as outlined in the bible if we are feeling led to do so by the holy spirit?
If that was happening to me, I would question what it really was that I was being led by.
God chose to make these events happen when they did. So what. Doesn't mean we should go against God's word because it doesn't fit in with the standards of modern society.
Christianity is counter-cultural. Get used to it.
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