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*eyeroll* Hello pot. meet kettle.
a strict moral standard is not akin to being stupid. What is stupid is over-generalizing and saying Baptists are stupid for believing that drinking and dancing is a sin when you don't have a personal relationship with every Baptist alive to see if they truly are stupid.
I attend a Southern Baptist church, and from what I can tell there are some rather intelligent people who attend that church.
a strict moral standard is not akin to being stupid. What is stupid is over-generalizing and saying Baptists are stupid for believing that drinking and dancing is a sin when you don't have a personal relationship with every Baptist alive to see if they truly are stupid.
I attend a Southern Baptist church, and from what I can tell there are some rather intelligent people who attend that church.
why do people think that beards are a sin, why do people preach against women wearing pants. I had a pentecosta preacher tell me one time that a man would burn in hell for having earrings and then let's not mention tattoos, some preach against the web saying that www is 666. some preach against TV's, and so on and so on and so on!!!! we really shouldn't just single out one denomination here. they all see the scripture through denominational eyes
Ro 3:3For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?Ro 3:4God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
Ro 3:3For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?Ro 3:4God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
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I don't understand that either. I have experienced that at a wedding that where 1/2 the guests were Baptists and 1/2 non denominational, all born again Christians. There was wine served for the toasts, no open bar, just a bottle of either red or white, one per table for the toasts and dancing after. All songs selected were honoring to God. The wine was optional, but still frowned on and 1/2 the guests (the baptists guests) all got up at the same time as the bride and grooms first waltz and left. Because it was all at the same time there was an actual line up at the door. It was very visible to all there and kind of sad.
Is everything Pagan? I don't know why everytime someone mentions anything as being slightly controversial the Pagans come up. I'm not pickin' on ya I just don't know where the Pagan influence fact books are published. What if it turns out that paper is pagan or the Pagans invented ice-cream?
I had to check the dictionaries because maybe Pagan just means someone having a good time.
Main Entry: pa·gan
Pronunciation: \ˈpā-gən\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Late Latin paganus, from Latin, civilian, country dweller, from pagus country district; akin to Latin pangere to fix — more at pact
Date: 14th century
1 : heathen 1; especially : a follower of a polytheistic religion (as in ancient Rome)
2 : one who has little or no religion and who delights in sensual pleasures and material goods : an irreligious or hedonistic person
Ahhhhh, there's the culprit.
Main Entry: he·do·nism
Pronunciation: \ˈhē-də-ˌni-zəm\
Function: noun
Etymology: Greek hēdonē pleasure; akin to Greek hēdys sweet — more at sweet
Date: 1856
1 : the doctrine that pleasure or happiness is the sole or chief good in life
2 : a way of life based on or suggesting the principles of hedonism
If we rip that out of context then all the pleasures of this world are pagan. Ugh. We're doomed. I'm eating ice-cream as I type.
Seriously. Can we just get over the whole pagan boogie man? Anyone up for it?
God's Wrath Against Mankind
18The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse. 21For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.
24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.
If we look at these verses from Romans we can see that it makes total sense that all these other religions and cultures that are completely foreign to Christianity (which at one time all cultures, save one, were pretty much foreign to Christianity/Judaism) somehow still have similarities with Christianity. Just because people sing and dance doesn't mean anything but that they sing and dance...
I had to check the dictionaries because maybe Pagan just means someone having a good time.
Main Entry: pa·gan
Pronunciation: \ˈpā-gən\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Late Latin paganus, from Latin, civilian, country dweller, from pagus country district; akin to Latin pangere to fix — more at pact
Date: 14th century
1 : heathen 1; especially : a follower of a polytheistic religion (as in ancient Rome)
2 : one who has little or no religion and who delights in sensual pleasures and material goods : an irreligious or hedonistic person
Ahhhhh, there's the culprit.
Main Entry: he·do·nism
Pronunciation: \ˈhē-də-ˌni-zəm\
Function: noun
Etymology: Greek hēdonē pleasure; akin to Greek hēdys sweet — more at sweet
Date: 1856
1 : the doctrine that pleasure or happiness is the sole or chief good in life
2 : a way of life based on or suggesting the principles of hedonism
If we rip that out of context then all the pleasures of this world are pagan. Ugh. We're doomed. I'm eating ice-cream as I type.
Seriously. Can we just get over the whole pagan boogie man? Anyone up for it?
God's Wrath Against Mankind
18The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse. 21For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.
24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.
If we look at these verses from Romans we can see that it makes total sense that all these other religions and cultures that are completely foreign to Christianity (which at one time all cultures, save one, were pretty much foreign to Christianity/Judaism) somehow still have similarities with Christianity. Just because people sing and dance doesn't mean anything but that they sing and dance...
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Hey Ryan, just so you know, I don't think everything is pagan. BUT, let's face it, dancing is used as a ritual in a LOT of religions. Dancing as entertainment happened way after dancing for ritual was going on. I'm not saying it IS pagan, I dance all the time. I was giving a list of explainations as to why maybe Baptists are against it.
Drinking and dancing are two of my favourite things to do......often simultaneously....I don't think I'd be welcome in a southern baptist church.
However in saying that, both should be done in moderation and restraint, as they can lead to sin if done with the wrong intent. I can understand why churches ban them, to reduce the risk that their congregation would be affected by temptations to sin....actually come to think of it the church I've been going to lately bans both...hmmm.
However in saying that, both should be done in moderation and restraint, as they can lead to sin if done with the wrong intent. I can understand why churches ban them, to reduce the risk that their congregation would be affected by temptations to sin....actually come to think of it the church I've been going to lately bans both...hmmm.
No, I know. I typed that in a hurry last night and should have let you know that the comment was totally unrelated to your comment. I'm suffering from Pagan overload. I knew you were only trying to explain why dancing might be considered a no no.
The reasons why Baptists don't allow dancing and all that stuff is because they are actually the mutated version of what happened to the Puritans. If you ever wondered what happened to the Puritans (no they didn't become extinct) they mutated like the Toxic Avenger and became Baptists.
Puritans were the folks that also had the Scarlet letter and public shackles dealio, right? I don't know. They also canceled Christmas. They didn't have Christmas trees (they were super pagan-phobic). They lived very spare lives. They are also the ones responsible for getting rid of the sign of the cross. Christians (even protestants) were making the sign of the cross aaaaaaaaaaaall the way up to the seventeen hundreds. The Puritans felt they were better informed and didn't need to be like all the other Christians and yet put a bizarre emphasis on uniform conformity and they ditched the sign of the cross and now because of the Puritan influence on many denominations and cultural shifts, bye-bye sign of the cross (for Protestants anyway).
Oh, please, they didn't "cancel" Christmas.
My understanding is they took most of these beliefs TO the "new world" from Europe, with them, rather than making them up here.
They recognized, as many are starting to realize again today, that Christmas was neither a biblical holiday, nor the true timing of Messiah's brith. Rather, it was an assimilation of the Roman tradition of Saturnalia, during which many got involved in drinking to excess, homosexual behavior, beating their wives, masters and slaved swapping roles, and all sorts of craziness.
And why SHOULD the cross be the symbol of faith in Messiah? Isn't that precisely why we have so many different denominations today? Because people want to focus on how He died, instead of the way that He lived, and the things He taught us while He was here?
My understanding is they took most of these beliefs TO the "new world" from Europe, with them, rather than making them up here.
They recognized, as many are starting to realize again today, that Christmas was neither a biblical holiday, nor the true timing of Messiah's brith. Rather, it was an assimilation of the Roman tradition of Saturnalia, during which many got involved in drinking to excess, homosexual behavior, beating their wives, masters and slaved swapping roles, and all sorts of craziness.
And why SHOULD the cross be the symbol of faith in Messiah? Isn't that precisely why we have so many different denominations today? Because people want to focus on how He died, instead of the way that He lived, and the things He taught us while He was here?
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