Something to ponder!!.

[my_adonai_]

Why is that we can not have a simple discussion without arguments or any attacking against the post of the other, without that self righteousness tip, it is easier when you speak, but when you write? we have time to look at it again and again before posting it. Cant we just share what we know, with supporting evidence without being rude. ?.
Being gentle, kind is not weakness its strength. The Lord showed all these fruits and now HE is with the FATHER in heaven?
yes we all have that sense of trying to be prove ourselves right, but is it not high time we just put that aside? i mean we are not preaching what we know to be right, we are preaching CHRIST, and Christ told us to love one another, no division, no arguing, but showing the very civilized manner that the LORD would just agree when He sees from us.

i once asked the Lord to have be conscience of Him(i am not saying that yall dont), but i usually check what i write, if the peace of GOD is what, and then i write it. basically i just tell HIM to be my mouth and my thoughts when i write something, and i just draw from HIM, more and more that HE puts in my heart to speak or write.
And this happens when am closer to HIM, to get that perfect message.

The church is supposed to be closer than the people of the world, the church is supposed to be the refuge for people who SEEK truth and get it, and when they do get it, they would want to come back again and again, and not run from it.
a place where Love is shared freely, and from those who are young, babes, and old in the Lord just rest in the Truth that is Christ Jesus.

to be able to teach other what we can rightly discern that we missing, without creating a barrier where one sees the other as more righteous than the other. i just pray that i can see that here, and wherever the chance comes i may show it. It is joyful to Love, Joyful to share Christ, it should not feel like a burden, neither feel like a necessity to do it. and that CHRIST and HIM ALONE should increase, and we may decrease..

I pray for unity, and that the blood of Jesus may bring us even nearer than we are. and that we can share the word of GOD as the Spirit Leads..

God bless you all...

 

[my_adonai_]

Here is what i learnt.
- Respect , is knowing that everyone is entitled to their views, we can not force our views on them, only they can change them. and so we just have to tell them what we have been taught by God and are convicted to be true. and always be ready for correction, as WE KNOW IN PART.
- To prove a point, all we need is the LORD, He leads us to prove a certain point.
- Not everyone has those sharp ears (i am working on this) to listen to what GOD is speaking to people through them
- Love does not think any evil, i usually give people that benefit of the doubt since i do not know their thoughts, that is unless the Lord helps me discern their true nature. This helps when reading peoples posts, or listening to them. even when they put across a point that does not see right, we still try to prove its VALIDITY and not go straight for the NAY.
- Always trying to understand the nature of the heart behind a certain post
- Always trying to know the character of the person behind the post. When i know the character, then i know how to talk around them. To stand in truth, but only the TRUTH TO OFFEND THEM, not us.
- No matter the evil people have done, or the very nature that they are in, or the very character that they have, they are not demons, they can still repent as long as they are alive, at times the words we speak or write can make people feel like ITS TOO LATE for them. The bible does speak of condemnation to the unbelievers, their unbelief eats them from the inside out, we do not have to add to that.

there is so much more in our relationship with People. and the way we discuss things with them. and GOD knows the heart of man, so when we just tell HIM, let the meditations of my heart and the words of my heart be acceptable in your sight. He does something about even in the things we share with people

 

[RickShafer]

Because we are a bunch of boobs. - (Short answer)

 

[my_adonai_]

what does boobs mean??

 

[my_adonai_]

Not from the U.S, do not understand that saying .
"We are all a bunch of boobs"

 

[RickShafer]

what does boobs mean??

Well, - the term has various meanings, but the way I meant to use it is we tend to be bullheaded about our beliefs; - (who isn't)?

Mainly said in a joking manner.
I know what you are talking about.
- The worst is thinking out a very deep O.P. thread-(original poster); and have just a few people shoot it down as if you didn't put alot of thought into it.
This tends to happen often. - You try to be real, and people answer your diligence with a self righteous attitude.
That is much worse (to me), than being in a heated argument. - (Because when you are in a heated argument at least somebody cares).

The worst is baring your soul and having one or two off handed religious answers.

 

[my_adonai_]

Well, - the term has various meanings, but the way I meant to use it is we tend to be bullheaded about our beliefs; - (who isn't)?

Mainly said in a joking manner.
I know what you are talking about.
- The worst is thinking out a very deep O.P. thread-(original poster); and have just a few people shoot it down as if you didn't put alot of thought into it.
This tends to happen often. - You try to be real, and people answer your diligence with a self righteous attitude.
That is much worse (to me), than being in a heated argument. - (Because when you are in a heated argument at least somebody cares).

The worst is baring your soul and having one or two off handed religious answers.

True brother, sometimes we just take it upon OURSELVES to do what GOD wants to do.
the word of GOD will judge us in the end, not us. we only need speak what the LORD wants us to in the manner showing WISDOM that is FROM above (first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy ) where at the end of it, people will just have to deal with whether they want to live or disbelieve it. We plant, and water, the LORD makes the increase.
and the LORD makes the increase when we continously go to HIM...

 

[my_adonai_]

and we usually complicate matters, saying we believe it when it is in the bible. yet the very same bible requires such good character from us.
is it not true that we need the fruits of The Holy Spirit to see the kingdom of GOD? At times we put it aside, and through our actions see like such fruits are nothing but in reality they are what show if a person has the Spirit of GOD or not. if they are Christians or not...
Running from the messages of trying earnestly to live blamelessness, crying and pleading with our Father in heaven to that of "GOD understands so we can just say what we please".

i believe we should all try to be conscience of everything we do, and i thank GOD for one thing HE taught me, to just think on what we want to say or said. to MEDITATE on the deeds that we have shown, the character that we show so we may know what we need to pray for, and strengthen IN HIM.

 

[RickShafer]

and we usually complicate matters, saying we believe it when it is in the bible. yet the very same bible requires such good character from us.
is it not true that we need the fruits of The Holy Spirit to see the kingdom of GOD? At times we put it aside, and through our actions see like such fruits are nothing but in reality they are what show if a person has the Spirit of GOD or not. if they are Christians or not...

Well, people are not perfect.
It's not anybodies place to judge a soul.
God has His hand on outright reprobates (in our eyes).
It is a work of the Lord.
I agree it is our duty to show love. - (Agape Love)
Sometimes tough love. People sometimes need to be rousted; - (see the prophets).

But I agree with you, we argue way too much. - (But again, it is because people on this site believe strongly in what they believe in).

 

[nathan3]

very good post my_adonai_
, really good post, I need to watch the way i treat others, and not be quick to judge even if it appears i may be being attacked. its not really the case. Regardless of my views, As you drew from the Bible to say, we must decrease and God/ Christ increase. Both of your post are very good with many good things to consider. It needed to be said and it was said well . thanks for reminding us. again good post.

 

[notuptome]

We must take what has been written and examine it in light of Jude 3-4. We contend for the faith against the creepers who bring in heresy. Compromise is difficult when the word of God is clear. It is possible where the word is silent.
Having one's speech seasoned with grace is always necessary. Problem is when those who are unskilled in the word make themselves to be teachers.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[my_adonai_]

Well, people are not perfect.
It's not anybodies place to judge a soul.
God has His hand on outright reprobates (in our eyes).
It is a work of the Lord.
I agree it is our duty to show love. - (Agape Love)
Sometimes tough love. People sometimes need to be rousted; - (see the prophets).

But I agree with you, we argue way too much. - (But again, it is because people on this site believe strongly in what they believe in).

And i respect that brother, and i appreciate the very few that have learnt to balance it out. Preaching truth, and letting TRUTH do its work, the apostle Paul said, that He wanted people to see none EXCEPT CHRIST JESUS, i think it is not how much we know that will save us, but how much of CHRIST we show that will.

Yes we are not perfect, Yes we make mistakes, but is it not bad that it has become a habit to bash, and continously show such character? Scriptures say that we should put aside the burdens and sins that easily beset us, that we should get off this level we in, this sin that we fall to daily and just press into GOD more that HE may take it out of our lives.

at times we say it is a "process" yes it is. but in Truth, somehow along the road, we have took longer than the LORD wants us to. that song by don moen "i believe there is more", should we not just cry out to HIM and tell HIM FATHER, i believe there is more than this SIN, there is more that this constant act of bashing, and self righteousness we often show"(habitually)", help us, give us strength to do the opposite of this sin.

i confess in the past i have been lazy, in the LORD. and because of this, i kept struggling with the same sin, over and over again. but when i just decided to force myself into HIM, and how glorious HIS timing is, and how constant He saved me from that sin. and how much daily my heart is forgetting that sin. i can speak that HE saves. and the more that the LORD has for me, i will receive.

and i believe the truth should be spoken, and you indeed have seen that in many forums, the bashing, the hate, the lies at times. you have seen that. if i point that out, i believe it is Good. The Lord would ask of me about it before HIM on that great day, the day where Every thought and deed i have done will just be revealed to me.

people believe strongly what they have, and you know when you believe something strongly attacking people with it shows a bit of insecurity on what you believe. when you are gentle, and kind, and unstirred by the comments people have against what you believe. going through what they speak point by point, and having knowledge on what you believing, always asking the LORD for wisdom to share it in Love. Earnestly defending the TRUTH, and humbling oneself to that truth.

the image of Christ described in Isaiah 53 does not really show a great man, the size and strength of Goliath. but a man many will easily (by appearance) brush off (evidence of how the jews exclaimed saying, IS THIS NOT THE SON OF JOSEPH, the "CARPENTER").. yet the very things that came out of His mouth, and the authority, power, obedience, gentle, kindness shook the very foundation of the world, and even heaven. like that statement "big things come in small packages", by appearance a simple man, but what HE CARRIED saved me and you. and HE showed nothing but awesome, did He force people to believe? He is the sower, and all HE did was go out and just have the seeds at it in the different places He mentions in the parable of the sower.

 

[my_adonai_]

We must take what has been written and examine it in light of Jude 3-4. We contend for the faith against the creepers who bring in heresy. Compromise is difficult when the word of God is clear. It is possible where the word is silent.
Having one's speech seasoned with grace is always necessary. Problem is when those who are unskilled in the word make themselves to be teachers.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

True, but contention for the faith does show CHRIST JESUS.

 

[my_adonai_]

very good post my_adonai_
, really good post, I need to watch the way i treat others, and not be quick to judge even if it appears i may be being attacked. its not really the case. Regardless of my views, As you drew from the Bible to say, we must decrease and God/ Christ increase. Both of your post are very good with many good things to consider. It needed to be said and it was said well . thanks for reminding us. again good post.

Glory to GOD........

Glad to help.

 

[my_adonai_]

Compromise is searching for truth outside the word of GOD. Trying to condition the word of GOD to only certain parts of our lives, it basically involves putting forth what we feel, or think above the conviction and Revelation from the Holy Ghost.
When the situation comes to do the word of GOD, and the Spirit of GOD reminds us of scripture, we put in an excuse even after PROVING it is from GOD.
Compromise as i have learnt involves looking at the very environment we are in instead of the truth that is CHRIST JESUS.

 

[my_adonai_]

and pondering this, i find the need to truly sit down and study the word of GOD, extensively and intensively and the teaching, leading of the Holy Ghost.
Put me in your prayers for this one, brothers and sisters in the LORD.

 

[notuptome]

Compromise is searching for truth outside the word of GOD. Trying to condition the word of GOD to only certain parts of our lives, it basically involves putting forth what we feel, or think above the conviction and Revelation from the Holy Ghost.
When the situation comes to do the word of GOD, and the Spirit of GOD reminds us of scripture, we put in an excuse even after PROVING it is from GOD.
Compromise as i have learnt involves looking at the very environment we are in instead of the truth that is CHRIST JESUS.

The compromise I am discussing is the sugar coating of the truth of Gods word. Many fear persecution if they declare the word of God contending for the faith and rebuking and exhorting others to turn from their wicked ways. Apostates know the truth of Gods word, they know what they ought to preach but for worldly gain they preach what the audience wants to hear. We are told that we will suffer persecution if we stand for the Lord. 1 Peter 4:14

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[sunshinelovin1700]

The thing is there's different beliefs on CC. Different denominations. Which of course causes animosity towards one another.
One believes this and that while another believes this so back and forth back and forth because they both feel they are right.
I can't stand all the arguing. I used to go to the chat more and thought I'de check out the forums. Yeah it is a lot of quarreling. Perhaps rooms should be created for specific denominations? wonder if that was ever a suggestion?

 

[RickShafer]

And i respect that brother, and i appreciate the very few that have learnt to balance it out. Preaching truth, and letting TRUTH do its work, the apostle Paul said, that He wanted people to see none EXCEPT CHRIST JESUS, i think it is not how much we know that will save us, but how much of CHRIST we show that will.

Yes we are not perfect, Yes we make mistakes, but is it not bad that it has become a habit to bash, and continously show such character? Scriptures say that we should put aside the burdens and sins that easily beset us, that we should get off this level we in, this sin that we fall to daily and just press into GOD more that HE may take it out of our lives.

at times we say it is a "process" yes it is. but in Truth, somehow along the road, we have took longer than the LORD wants us to. that song by don moen "i believe there is more", should we not just cry out to HIM and tell HIM FATHER, i believe there is more than this SIN, there is more that this constant act of bashing, and self righteousness we often show"(habitually)", help us, give us strength to do the opposite of this sin.

i confess in the past i have been lazy, in the LORD. and because of this, i kept struggling with the same sin, over and over again. but when i just decided to force myself into HIM, and how glorious HIS timing is, and how constant He saved me from that sin. and how much daily my heart is forgetting that sin. i can speak that HE saves. and the more that the LORD has for me, i will receive.

and i believe the truth should be spoken, and you indeed have seen that in many forums, the bashing, the hate, the lies at times. you have seen that. if i point that out, i believe it is Good. The Lord would ask of me about it before HIM on that great day, the day where Every thought and deed i have done will just be revealed to me.

people believe strongly what they have, and you know when you believe something strongly attacking people with it shows a bit of insecurity on what you believe. when you are gentle, and kind, and unstirred by the comments people have against what you believe. going through what they speak point by point, and having knowledge on what you believing, always asking the LORD for wisdom to share it in Love. Earnestly defending the TRUTH, and humbling oneself to that truth.

the image of Christ described in Isaiah 53 does not really show a great man, the size and strength of Goliath. but a man many will easily (by appearance) brush off (evidence of how the jews exclaimed saying, IS THIS NOT THE SON OF JOSEPH, the "CARPENTER").. yet the very things that came out of His mouth, and the authority, power, obedience, gentle, kindness shook the very foundation of the world, and even heaven. like that statement "big things come in small packages", by appearance a simple man, but what HE CARRIED saved me and you. and HE showed nothing but awesome, did He force people to believe? He is the sower, and all HE did was go out and just have the seeds at it in the different places He mentions in the parable of the sower.

Yes, and Amen!
We are to continually see Jesus in the faces(or 'avatars') that we answer.
People are pigheaded though.
The Apostles often were strong in rebuke for heresy that entered into the flock.
We(on this site), as many of us that are able, use scripture to show truth.
Some are set in their ways.
Some are like old wineskins.
When dealing with these types of people it is easy to get emotionally involved.
But as you say, we should just state the truth, and leave it.
As you say, there is no good thing coming from a continual brow beating by both sides.
The truth IS important though (for the readers), so sometimes we overstate our case.
It is a common folly of the soul of mankind.
Not to excuse it, just reality.
God's grace is sufficient for this too.
- (See Martin Luther, - Council of Worms)
Standing up for the truth can get you killed, (not on this site); - but that is what the crown of martyrdom is for.
- So the truth IS important to God.

 

[my_adonai_]

The compromise I am discussing is the sugar coating of the truth of Gods word. Many fear persecution if they declare the word of God contending for the faith and rebuking and exhorting others to turn from their wicked ways. Apostates know the truth of Gods word, they know what they ought to preach but for worldly gain they preach what the audience wants to hear. We are told that we will suffer persecution if we stand for the Lord. 1 Peter 4:14

For the cause of Christ
Roger

If there is rebuke i will, if there is exhortation i will. i believe everything GOD says about sin, and how we should reprove the works of darkness.
and if preaching Christ brings in division, strife, and other fleshly fruits, then that is the work of darkness and should be pointed out clearly as WRONG.!!. thank you bro for reminding me on this though. God bless you much..
and true, if i speak the truth in Love, and yet people persecute or hate me for it. then thats their choice, Jesus warns about men pleasers, and those that teach doctrines of men, and also those want to please everyone.
i believe all that. but what really troubles me is that we forget that When we are in the family, and have decided to give our lives to Christ we are one, and should be a family, submitting to one another in the FEAR OF GOD, loving each other as the Lord commanded, and not the opposite.
But even in CC they are already groups. I see that, people defend people, and not CHRIST.