An Interesting Thought

[JaumeJ]

Rom 11:25
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Rom 11:26
And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

Rom 11:27
For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

Rom 11:28
As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.

Rom 11:29
For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

Please ask yourself when this has all come about does anyone seriously entertain the Children of Israel will adopt the customs of the gentiles? Is this not teaching the branch to lord it over the original tree and root? Is this not puffed up and conceited?

I should think in all humility in the sight of the Father that we should be as much like the faith of Abraham as is possible, after all we are joined to him by the Messiah in faith.

Spiritually we are joined together, so why should there be a question about being "too Jewish" or "too Gentile?" We are one family in Yeshua, Jesus, though for now Jacob may not recognize this.

 

[4enlightment]

All of the Jews names were in Greek words in the N.T.

Proverbs 10:21The lips of the righteous nourish many, but fools die for lack of sense.

Hosea 4:6my people are destroyed from lack of knowledge. “Because you have rejected knowledge, I also reject you as my priests; because you have ignored the law of your God, I also will ignore your children.

[h=3]1 Corinthians 1:22[/h]
22 Jews demand signs and Greeks look for wisdom,

 

[Shiloah]

Rom 11:25
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Rom 11:26
And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

Rom 11:27
For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

Rom 11:28
As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.

Rom 11:29
For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

Please ask yourself when this has all come about does anyone seriously entertain the Children of Israel will adopt the customs of the gentiles? Is this not teaching the branch to lord it over the original tree and root? Is this not puffed up and conceited?

I should think in all humility in the sight of the Father that we should be as much like the faith of Abraham as is possible, after all we are joined to him by the Messiah in faith.

Spiritually we are joined together, so why should there be a question about being "too Jewish" or "too Gentile?" We are one family in Yeshua, Jesus, though for now Jacob may not recognize this.

Romans 11:18 Do not be arrogant toward the branches. If you are, remember it is not you who support the root, but the root that supports you.

 

[psychomom]

Romans 11:18 Do not be arrogant toward the branches. If you are, remember it is not you who support the root, but the root that supports you.

And Who is the Root?

 

[JaumeJ]

Rom 11:13
For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:

Rom 11:14
If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.

Rom 11:15
For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?

Rom 11:16
For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.

Rom 11:17
And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

Rom 11:18
Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.

Rom 11:19
Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.

Rom 11:20
Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

Rom 11:21
For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

Rom 11:22
Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

And Who is the Root?

Here the reference, root, is to Israel in the flesh. It is in plain words from Paul.

 

[psychomom]

Rom 11:16
For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.

Rom 11:17
And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

Rom 11:18
Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.

Here the reference, root, is to Israel in the flesh. It is in plain words from Paul.

"If the Root be Holy"...cannot refer to anyone but God.
How can Israel be both Root and branches?
The whole passage calls them branches (and firstfruits), just as we are.

 

[JaumeJ]

The teaching is direct, with no dark sayings. However it is always possible there are multiple meanings to any writing in the Word. The people chose by Yahweh were to be a separate people, that is holy. The people of Israel were certainly separate from the nations, there can be no denying this for their nation was their faith. This by no means is even beginning to say they were perfect but they were holy in the pure sense of the Word.
This should not be argued since both views are explained rather well I believe.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

The root is Jesus, not Israel

I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. Revelation 22:16
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[JaumeJ]

Yes, about Jesus, Yeshua being the Root, He is, and He is also the Branch. Now how about that? You must read the context of the particular Holy Scripture with the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

Zec 3:8
Hear now, O Joshua the high priest, thou, and thy fellows that sit before thee: for they are men wondered at: for, behold, I will bring forth my servant the BRANCH.
Zec 3:9
For behold the stone that I have laid before Joshua; upon one stone shall be seven eyes: behold, I will engrave the graving thereof, saith the LORD of hosts, and I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day.

You see Yeshua was a Nazar, Nazarite. He was the Branch. This does not preclude His being the Root of Jesse, you see He is from Jesse then David on down. Always read in context if you do not truly understand, wait, the Holy Spirit teaches the Word. The Holy Spirit gives the dead script life.

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

i think it is a 'family tree' and the root is abraham

 

[JaumeJ]

This seems more than adequate to apply, and very beautiful too. As you know from your own studies, the word, root, is used in reference to multiple subjects, but this one is really refreshing to hear.............thanks!
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QUOTE=RachelBibleStudent;1101563]i think it is a 'family tree' and the root is abraham [/QUOTE]

 

[loveme1]

Of late, i have been considering how we each have a personal relationship with Heavenly Father and Yahshua the Messiah.

Of course it should all be on the Teachings and Commands we are given.

We will be united in Spirit and Truth and not by agreeing with one and other.

i can not deny what was given to me and will share it freely for His Glory.

if it is not for the Glory of GOD then anything i do or say will be in vain.

not to exalt myself against those who remain married the the Old Covenant but to be an example of the New Covenant of GOD.

The Messiah Yahshua is our example and we are to Follow Him for everlasting life.

The problem we face is that some of those married to the Old prefer being under bondage and will compel us to circumcise our sons, for me to do this to keep the Law of Moses i would feel a lack of Faith in the Words of the Messiah Yahshua.

I either have faith or i mix and break the bottle.

By the Grace of GOD i have tasted the New wine and know it is of GOD.

We will each have personal sacrifice between ourselves and GOD.


Our personal custom should not become a burden for others to keep.


Let all things be of GOD for GOD.

Peace and Blessings.

i believe in the Liberty of the Messiah and if love is the force then it will be pleasing to Heavenly Father.