This is fun on our KJV only basis

[thecreationtutor]

King James Only Debate (This actually changed my mind on this subject) - YouTube it's long - you can always just listen to both sides. The guy arguing Jack Moorman and James White

I'm sorry but Moorman does not know what he's talking about

 

[Agricola]

James White gives a superb account and rips apart the King James Only Cult claims.

 

[4enlightment]

I do believe that the KJV should be translated into modern English but not have been paraphrase unless it has been divinely inspired.

John 6:63 (NIV)The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you—they are full of the Spirit and life.

John 6:63 (KJV)It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

This verse which I believe is speaking about that we should perceive His word spiritually, but not by human understanding.

Matthew 21:13 (KJV)And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.

Matthew 21:13 (NIV)“It is written,” he said to them, “‘My house will be called a house of prayer,’ but you are making it ‘a den of robbers.’”

This verse is saying that the priest were behaving like hustling scoundrels in the house of God, because they were hustling for money or widows properties by giving them extra long prayers and which they were pulling a con-job. so basically they were acting like a den full of thieves.

Mark 12:40They devour widows’ houses and for a show make lengthy prayers. These men will be punished most severely.”

Mark 12:42But a poor widow came and put in two very small copper coins, worth only a few cents.


But the Holy Spirit knows how to weed out the bad.

 

[thecreationtutor]

Yeah, there are better translations. ESV, NASB, I like KJV actually because I can read at a College level. There are certain ones - message and all them that are paraphrases, and should be treated as such. Serious students of the word, need to have multiple versions, read them, know them, but also know the rhema - or voice of the Holy Spirit, however He speaks to your love language

 

[ChosenbyHim]

James White gives a superb account and rips apart the King James Only Cult claims.

And Will Kinney soundly refutes James White in this video here:

James White's Shell Game: Now You See it... by Will Kinney

[video=youtube;1qM-XkAcMzI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qM-XkAcMzI[/video]

 

[ChosenbyHim]

And this is another good video where again, Will Kinney refutes James White's silly arguments:


James White's Bible Blunders Book by Will Kinney

[video=youtube;yLOhkTUaWZE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLOhkTUaWZE[/video]

 

[Agricola]

Yes its easy to attack someone in the comfort of your own club without anyone to challenge, but in that debate video the King James Only Cult was shown up for what it was, a pathetic cult. SOrry Chosenbyhim, but your cult sucks and has been continually exposed as a cult. I have exposed your flaws and lies numerous times, yet you ignore most of it, and when you do half reply, its with a totally different topic and usually another cut and paste job, behaviour of which is another indicator of a cult.

 

[ChosenbyHim]

Yes its easy to attack someone in the comfort of your own club without anyone to challenge, but in that debate video the King James Only Cult was shown up for what it was, a pathetic cult. SOrry Chosenbyhim, but your cult sucks and has been continually exposed as a cult. I have exposed your flaws and lies numerous times, yet you ignore most of it, and when you do half reply, its with a totally different topic and usually another cut and paste job, behaviour of which is another indicator of a cult.

Well yeah I share other Bible believer's works in addition to posting my own threads. That way, no one is looking to me as the answer man, because I do not have all the answers. And I don't pretend to have all the answers. But in the video I posted, Will Kinney shows the fickle nature of James White and he shows how Mr. Kinney also shows how James contradicts himself in his own book.

And by the way Agrcola, Will Kinney called into the Dividing Line to discuss the issue with James White over the phone. So no, Brother Will Kinney is not one to hide behind some room when challenged for a discussion on the Bible Version Issue. James White invited Will Kinney to call into his show and Will Kinney called in.

You see Agricola, Mr. Kinney knows what he has documented is true. And he ain't afraid to back up what he says.

One other thing that is interesting to note is how James White kept interrupting Will Kinney as Will was asking him a simple question. Of course, James White being the professional liar that he is, he just danced around the issue the whole time. Without ever giving Will Kinney an honest answer to his question. And with James White's constant interruptions and with him raising his voice, Will Kinney was clearly in control of the whole conversation. Mr. Kinney kept his cool the whole time. And this was on James White's call in program! Go figure.

So please don't talk about anyone being in the comfort of their own club. Or any other nonsense.

At least go watch the video. At least take the time to hear the matter.

 

[thecreationtutor]

I am sorry by Jesus didn't speak KJV, like I said before, He used modern translations of the Hebrew scriptures - but then again if you put the KJV above God Himself, which for the most part, sounds like what KJV onlyists do

This also reasoning that KJV onlyists do, also assists in making Christians out to be the people who throw their mind out the door, and have little reasoning capacity. Usually it's from crappy fundamentalism of the past one hundred years whch many times is based on don't steal, lie, drink, smoke, dance, etc rather that peace, righteousness, love, and joy in the Holy Spirit. Not to mention to them for the most part their version of the Holy Spirit is more like JW's version where He doesn't really do anything for you, he's more like a force

I like fundamentalism prior to the past 100 years, where they actually believed the whole counsel of God's word, and walked in the power of the Holy Spirit, they actually Met God - not heard about him through other people, and what other people tell them through the KJV only

 

[RickShafer]

Some would say there are verses missing from the NIV.
Such as fasting as a necessary ingredient to expel a demon.
Anyone who has been under the influence of a certain ungodly thing knows that you must quit it before you can be freed from it.
"This kind doesn't come out except through prayer and fasting." - Verse missing in the NIV.

 

[thecreationtutor]

Some would say there are verses missing from the NIV.
Such as fasting as a necessary ingredient to expel a demon.
Anyone who has been under the influence of a certain ungodly thing knows that you must quit it before you can be freed from it.
"This kind doesn't come out except through prayer and fasting." - Verse missing in the NIV.

Personally could care less for the NIV. Think it's reading level is for middleschoolers

 

[Agricola]

Well yeah I share other Bible believer's works in addition to posting my own threads.

This is what I object to, this type of language, I am a Bible beleiver, but of course you mean a 1611 bible beleiver, so please say that instead.

That way, no one is looking to me as the answer man, because I do not have all the answers.

And I don't pretend to have all the answers.

That is obvious because when I challenge you on your cults teaching you do not think for youself, but run straight to your cults teachers and copy and paste a ton of crap along with these videos. Please, think for yourself and try and find answers for youself. Did you not listen to the explination of what really happened with the translation of the 1611 and events around it?

But in the video I posted, Will Kinney shows the fickle nature of James White and he shows how Mr. Kinney also shows how James contradicts himself in his own book.

Yes contridictions are what the King James Only Cult are good at, picking things that are not there and making out that there are conspiracies when there are none.

And by the way Agrcola, Will Kinney called into the Dividing Line to discuss the issue with James White over the phone, so no Brother Will Kinney is not one to hide behind some room when challenged for a discussion on the Bible Version Issue. James White invited Will Kinney to call into his show and Will Kinney called in.

And?

You see Agricola, Mr. Kinney knows what he has documented is true. And he ain't afraid to back up what he says.

True in his own head, if it was "true" we would not be having this discussion. There are countless cults who have strange takes on things and claim they have the ultimate truth and can prove it. Ask yourself, why do pre trib and mid trib people use the same verses for both arguments? Its no different here.

One other thing that is interesting to note is how James White kept interrupting Will Kinney as Will was asking him a simple question. Of course, James White being the professional liar that he is, he just
danced around the issue the whole time. Without ever giving Will Kinney an honest answer to his question.

You do realise that you are slandering someone and can be prosecuted for it?

And with James White's constant interruptions and with him raising his voice, Will Kinney was clearly in control of the whole conversation. Mr. Kinney kept his cool the whole time. And this was on James White's call in program! Go figure.

So what White Owned Kinney and now you have a tantrumn over loosing the debate.

So please don't talk about anyone being in the comfort of their own club. Or any other nonsense.

At least go watch the video. At least take the time to hear the matter.

I have watched it and its all a load of crap.

King James Onlists, look like a cult, sound like a cult, act like a cult, read like a cult and smell like a cult, that in my book makes this a cult and a dangerous one too, the sooner they are silenced the better, i suggest you wake up and leave this cult before it destroys you, but the crap you post on here suggests it is too late to save yourself from the cult.

 

[ChosenbyHim]

This is what I object to, this type of language, I am a Bible beleiver, but of course you mean a 1611 bible beleiver, so please say that instead.

Yep, I believe that the Bible is the perfect and inerrant word of God. The Authorized King James Bible.

Now Agricola, do you have a perfect Bible that you believe in?

Or do you just have some type of mystical, phantom bible that you can't hand to anybody?

That is obvious because when I challenge you on your cults teaching you do not think for youself, but run straight to your cults teachers and copy and paste a ton of crap along with these videos. Please, think for yourself and try and find answers for youself. Did you not listen to the explination of what really happened with the translation of the 1611 and events around it?

What events around it are you even talking about?

What is it that you are exactly challenging me on in pertaining to my belief in a perfect Book. What are your challenges?

I have sought answers for myself, in fact, I am reading one book on the issue now and about to read another book on this issue, after I finish the current one. Okay, so just because I share some videos with you and share some excerpts here and there of what other Bible believers wrote, you are automatically saying I can't think for myself? I do think for myself Agricola, and I have looked at both sides of the issues, and the Alexandrian side offers NO perfect Final Authority. And that is a problem. Because if we do not have a perfect Final Authority, then it is up to us to make up our own final authority.

Yes contridictions are what the King James Only Cult are good at, picking things that are not there and making out that there are conspiracies when there are none.

And?

Agricola, conspiracy is in the Bible. It is also in the dictionary, what you Alexandrians like to do is as you soon as you hear the word conspiracy, you shut your mind off from hearing any further information. There is a satanic agenda to get rid of the word of God. Satan wants to get Christians to replace the true word of God with his counterfeits.

True in his own head, if it was "true" we would not be having this discussion. There are countless cults who have strange takes on things and claim they have the ultimate truth and can prove it. Ask yourself, why do pre trib and mid trib people use the same verses for both arguments? Its no different here.

Just because we are having this discussion does not disprove Will Kinney's valid points against James White's double speak. A lot of Alexandrian's are good at double speak.

You do realise that you are slandering someone and can be prosecuted for it?

So what White Owned Kinney and now you have a tantrumn over loosing the debate.

It is only slander if it is not true. But what Will Kinney documented can be proven easily in a court of law. So much for slander.

And also Peter Ruckman wrote a good book exposing more of the lies and double speak of the Professors at a lot of the seminaries across this country who teach the Alexandrian mindset and who teach higher textual criticism:

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So again; more of the lies of the Alexandrian professors are documented well in this book referenced above.


I am not having any tantrum here Agricola. And no, James didn't win the discussion, because he lost his composure while Will Kinney kept his.

I have watched it and its all a load of crap.

King James Onlists, look like a cult, sound like a cult, act like a cult, read like a cult and smell like a cult, that in my book makes this a cult and a dangerous one too, the sooner they are silenced the better, i suggest you wake up and leave this cult before it destroys you, but the crap you post on here suggests it is too late to save yourself from the cult.

Well if you really did watch the entire video there Agricola, well then you are obviously just rejecting the facts. So, if you want to continue in error, then go ahead.

Here is a question for you Agricola, do you believe that the Bible is the perfect, inerrant and infallible word of God?

And if you do, which Bible is it?

 

[thecreationtutor]

What's the Big Deal with King James Onlyism? Part 1 - YouTube

 

[thecreationtutor]

What's the Big Deal with King James Onlyism? Part 1 - YouTube

There are 3 of these - very well done

 

[thecreationtutor]

Well if you really did watch the entire video there Agricola, well then you are obviously just rejecting the facts. So, if you want to continue in error, then go ahead.

Here is a question for you Agricola, do you believe that the Bible is the perfect, inerrant and infallible word of God?

And if you do, which Bible is it?

God's word in it's original intent perfect - there is also the voice of the Holy Spirit, that leads us to the truths of Scripture - do you actually believe in the work of the Holy Spirit? Or trust that God can get the message out?

 

[oldhermit]

Yeah, there are better translations. ESV, NASB, I like KJV actually because I can read at a College level. There are certain ones - message and all them that are paraphrases, and should be treated as such. Serious students of the word, need to have multiple versions, read them, know them, but also know the rhema - or voice of the Holy Spirit, however He speaks to your love language

The issue with the KJV is not that is a poor translation. In fact, it is a very good translation of the T.R. The problem exists in the fact that many of the Greek documents that were compiled by Erasmus to create his collection of N.T. manuscripts were of a somewhat questionable integrity. He had access to no Greek text that was earlier than the 10th century. Regarding the book of Revelation, he did not even have a Greek manuscript available for the last six verses of the book so, in order to complete his work, he used a Latin translation from the Vulgate and translated it back into Greek. For these and other reasons, Erasmus' compilation of the T.R. was rejected by virtually all of the scholarship of his day.

 

[RickShafer]

The King James was compiled by many scholars.
They borrowed heavily from William Tynsdale's bible and the Geneva Bible.
They had access to texts and papryi going back to the first century.

 

[oldhermit]

The King James was compiled by many scholars.
They borrowed heavily from William Tynsdale's bible and the Geneva Bible.
They had access to texts and papryi going back to the first century.

I'm not talking about the development of the KJ translation. I am talking about the collection of Greek manuscripts from which the KJ was translated.

 

[RickShafer]

I'm not talking about the development of the KJ translation. I am talking about the collection of Greek manuscripts from which the KJ was translated.

Yea, I know.
I'm telling you they had access to manuscripts and papyri well back into the early ages - 2nd, 3rd century.
All of which are on display or hidden away at various museums throughout europe.