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These are the fallen angels.
Galatians 5:4You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.
Hebrews 6:6and who have fallen away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.
Revelation 9 9 The fifth angel sounded his trumpet, and I saw a star that had fallen from the sky to the earth. The star was given the key to the shaft of the Abyss. 2 When he opened the Abyss, smoke rose from it like the smoke from a gigantic furnace. The sun and sky were darkened by the smoke from the Abyss.3 And out of the smoke locusts came down on the earth and were given power like that of scorpions of the earth. 4 They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or tree, but only those people who did not have the seal of God on their foreheads. 5 They were not allowed to kill them but only to torture them for five months. And the agony they suffered was like that of the sting of a scorpion when it strikes. 6 During those days people will seek death but will not find it; they will long to die, but death will elude them.
Galatians 5:4You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.
Hebrews 6:6and who have fallen away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.
Revelation 9 9 The fifth angel sounded his trumpet, and I saw a star that had fallen from the sky to the earth. The star was given the key to the shaft of the Abyss. 2 When he opened the Abyss, smoke rose from it like the smoke from a gigantic furnace. The sun and sky were darkened by the smoke from the Abyss.3 And out of the smoke locusts came down on the earth and were given power like that of scorpions of the earth. 4 They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or tree, but only those people who did not have the seal of God on their foreheads. 5 They were not allowed to kill them but only to torture them for five months. And the agony they suffered was like that of the sting of a scorpion when it strikes. 6 During those days people will seek death but will not find it; they will long to die, but death will elude them.
D
Evangelism is a primary goal of the church, but it is not the only goal. Once they become a believer they need to learn about God. They may need healing or even to be come free of a demon.
You claim those who engage demons are the one's least likely to beat them. I don't see that in scripture. If God tells you to engage the enemy do so, because those who are doing His will, will see victory.
You claim those who engage demons are the one's least likely to beat them. I don't see that in scripture. If God tells you to engage the enemy do so, because those who are doing His will, will see victory.
Born again blood bought Christians cannot be demon possessed. 1 Cor 6:19-20
My point being that those who pursue demons are not mature enough to know better. Many, I believe, are not even saved themselves.
It is possible to encounter a demon but if you are in close fellowship with the Lord they will flee from you. Demons do not want to confront the children of God.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
My point being that those who pursue demons are not mature enough to know better. Many, I believe, are not even saved themselves.
It is possible to encounter a demon but if you are in close fellowship with the Lord they will flee from you. Demons do not want to confront the children of God.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
K
After reading through this thread I have to say this. This is where the gap theory comes into play. Fallen angels are not demons. Fallen angels are more powerful than demons. Most fallen angels are chain or held prisoner because, of what they did before and after the flood producing the giants in an attempt to taint the blood line of Christ. Never does the bible say that people are possessed by fallen angels only evil or unclean spirits. So. where did they come from? When god creates something that has a soul that soul lives forever. The body dies and the soul\spirit lives somewhere, be it heaven or hell or earth. As human beings created in the image of God we are judged immediately upon death of the body. These beings were created before Adam. Satan then Lucifer had dominion over these beings. When satan revolted against God convincing 1/3 of the angels to follow him, these beings followed him also. God destroyed that world with a flood ( hints are found in Jeremiah and 2 peter). Their spiritual judgement has not come yet. The demons said to Jesus "what have we to do with you, have you come to judge us before our time". They seek to inhabit human bodies but also survive without one and under rule satan and fallen angels.
Now fallen angels rule over countries. Referred to in the bible as the prince of persia and again the prince of Grecia which is greece. The prince of grecia, we are told his name "apollyon", who backed Alexander the great and also will back the Human Anti Christ. Hope this helps.
Now fallen angels rule over countries. Referred to in the bible as the prince of persia and again the prince of Grecia which is greece. The prince of grecia, we are told his name "apollyon", who backed Alexander the great and also will back the Human Anti Christ. Hope this helps.
D
I thought we were discussing demons vs. fallen angels?
However, since your on my favorite subject I would like to add to your statement. Christians do have protection from God, no doubt. A Christian doing his or her best and doing God's will has God's protection. That is why King Saul never could catch David or his men. As long as a Christian is doing what he or she is supposed to do in the faith, that protection from God will remain on that Christian.
However, if that Christian gives in and embraces some sort of sin, like unforgiveness, racism, greed, revenge, sexual sin, drug abuse, etc, etc, etc. and does not repent in a timely manner. God's protection might withdraw. The armor of God might weaken. It might even disappear. Do you still contend that under such circumstances as these God will still protect him?
Think about King Saul. When he was first found he was humble and even prophesied for God. The Spirit of God was definetly on him powerfully. Gradually, he embraced sin. He became a tyrant and did things his own way. At one point he even murdered some godly priests because the gave David food. In the end, God removed all of His protection from him and Saul was killed in battle.
David certainly was a man of God. David certainly had God's protection. Then he sinned. He committed adultery and then murder. Even though he did repent, God told him the sword would never leave his household.
So demon possession is not about being a Christian or not. It is about sin.
N
“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels . . .' (Matthew 25:41, New International Version, 2011).
"Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him" (Revelation 12:7-9).
I think it is clear that demons are fallen angels; perhaps I am wrong, but it seems Scripture supports this view.
"Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him" (Revelation 12:7-9).
I think it is clear that demons are fallen angels; perhaps I am wrong, but it seems Scripture supports this view.
demons are not fallen angels. these two are very different beings. demons are earthbound while fallen angels are heavenbound. fallen angels have bodies while demons seek bodies. angels don't have to possess bodies while demons need to seek and possess bodies. demons can only walk on earth while fallen angels dwell in the heavenly(they rarely visit on earth for a mission). These two different being should be identified when a believer engage in spiritual warfare. You can't cast out a fallen angel from anybody because they don't need to possess a body,they have their own spiritual body.
W
First we must understand that our Heavenly Creator absolutely cannot create anything wicked or imperfect. Deuteronomy 32:4says: “The Rock, his work is perfect,for all his ways are justice. A God of faithfulness and without iniquity, just and upright is he.
Job 34:10
Satan’s fall
Afterbeing one of Gods perfect and beautiful creations Satan allowed himself to covet what only belonged to God, worship. (James 1:14and 15) His previous perfect rise and disastrous fallis described at Ezekiel28:11-19.
FromAngels to Demons
When in heaven the angels were perfect as were Adam and Eve at creation. Sometime before the great flood of Noah’s day the angels saw the beautiful daughters of men and sinned by taking them for themselves. (Genesis 6:2) Because they forsook their original heavenly position they were then consigned into dense [spiritual] darkness (Tartarus). Jude 6; 2 Peter 2:4
God did not create angels with an assigned sex. Prior to becoming demons they did have an ability to create for themselves a human body. They used these bodies to have sex with women. This union was unnatural, as to man have relations with animals.
Job 34:10
Satan’s fall
Afterbeing one of Gods perfect and beautiful creations Satan allowed himself to covet what only belonged to God, worship. (James 1:14and 15) His previous perfect rise and disastrous fallis described at Ezekiel28:11-19.
FromAngels to Demons
When in heaven the angels were perfect as were Adam and Eve at creation. Sometime before the great flood of Noah’s day the angels saw the beautiful daughters of men and sinned by taking them for themselves. (Genesis 6:2) Because they forsook their original heavenly position they were then consigned into dense [spiritual] darkness (Tartarus). Jude 6; 2 Peter 2:4
God did not create angels with an assigned sex. Prior to becoming demons they did have an ability to create for themselves a human body. They used these bodies to have sex with women. This union was unnatural, as to man have relations with animals.
Fallen angels are unclean spirits. Demons are unclean spirits.
Those who say the souls of the Nephilim walk the earth after death do not get this from scripture.
If they do or not I don't know, but I do know they were a forbidden race of human beings.
Half angelic and half human; to corrupt the Adamic race, or the line to Christ.
But to also try to get back into heaven, thriough the Adamic soul.
Fallen angels are demonic unclean spirits, or demons.
God just changed what they were called as He sometimes does.
Those who say the souls of the Nephilim walk the earth after death do not get this from scripture.
If they do or not I don't know, but I do know they were a forbidden race of human beings.
Half angelic and half human; to corrupt the Adamic race, or the line to Christ.
But to also try to get back into heaven, thriough the Adamic soul.
Fallen angels are demonic unclean spirits, or demons.
God just changed what they were called as He sometimes does.
N
"Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back.But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him" (Revelation 12:7-9, New International Version, 2011).
I appreciate your zeal for seeking the truth of God's Word, but how do you explain these verses?
Grace and Peace!
I appreciate your zeal for seeking the truth of God's Word, but how do you explain these verses?
Grace and Peace!
J
Question: "Are demons fallen angels?"
Answer: When exactly God created angels is open for debate, but what is known for sure is that God created everything good because God, in His holiness, cannot create something sinful. So when Satan, who was once the angel Lucifer, rebelled against God and fell from heaven (Isaiah 14; Ezekiel 28), one third of the angelic host joined his insurrection (Revelation 12:3-4,9). There is no doubt these fallen angels are now known as the demons.
We know that hell was prepared for the devil and his angels, according to Matthew 25:41: “Then He will say to those on His left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.’” Jesus, by using the possessive word his makes it clear that these angels belong to Satan. Revelation 12:7-9 describes an end-times angelic battle between Michael and "his angels" and the devil and "his angels." From these and similar verses, it is clear that demons and fallen angels are synonymous.
Some reject the idea that the demons are the fallen angels due to the fact that Jude verse 6 declares the angels who sinned to be "bound with everlasting chains." However, it is clear that not all of the angels who sinned are "bound," as Satan is still free (1 Peter 5:8). Why would God imprison the rest of the fallen angels, but allow the leader of the rebellion to remain free? It seems that Jude verse 6 is referring to God confining the fallen angels who rebelled in an additional way, likely the "sons of God" incident in Genesis chapter 6.
The most common alternate explanation for the origin of the demons is that when the Nephilim of Genesis 6 were destroyed in the Flood, their disembodied souls became the demons. While the Bible does not specifically say what happened to the souls of the Nephilim when they were killed, it is unlikely that God would destroy the Nephilim in the Flood only to allow their souls to cause even greater evil as the demons. The most biblically consistent explanation for the origin of the demons is that they are the fallen angels, the angels who rebelled against God with Satan.
Read more: Are demons fallen angels?
Answer: When exactly God created angels is open for debate, but what is known for sure is that God created everything good because God, in His holiness, cannot create something sinful. So when Satan, who was once the angel Lucifer, rebelled against God and fell from heaven (Isaiah 14; Ezekiel 28), one third of the angelic host joined his insurrection (Revelation 12:3-4,9). There is no doubt these fallen angels are now known as the demons.
We know that hell was prepared for the devil and his angels, according to Matthew 25:41: “Then He will say to those on His left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.’” Jesus, by using the possessive word his makes it clear that these angels belong to Satan. Revelation 12:7-9 describes an end-times angelic battle between Michael and "his angels" and the devil and "his angels." From these and similar verses, it is clear that demons and fallen angels are synonymous.
Some reject the idea that the demons are the fallen angels due to the fact that Jude verse 6 declares the angels who sinned to be "bound with everlasting chains." However, it is clear that not all of the angels who sinned are "bound," as Satan is still free (1 Peter 5:8). Why would God imprison the rest of the fallen angels, but allow the leader of the rebellion to remain free? It seems that Jude verse 6 is referring to God confining the fallen angels who rebelled in an additional way, likely the "sons of God" incident in Genesis chapter 6.
The most common alternate explanation for the origin of the demons is that when the Nephilim of Genesis 6 were destroyed in the Flood, their disembodied souls became the demons. While the Bible does not specifically say what happened to the souls of the Nephilim when they were killed, it is unlikely that God would destroy the Nephilim in the Flood only to allow their souls to cause even greater evil as the demons. The most biblically consistent explanation for the origin of the demons is that they are the fallen angels, the angels who rebelled against God with Satan.
Read more: Are demons fallen angels?