Are demons really fallen angels?

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Are demons fallen angels?

  • Yes

    Votes: 19 76.0%
  • No

    Votes: 2 8.0%
  • I'm confused.

    Votes: 4 16.0%

  • Total voters
    25
  • Poll closed .
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Shiloah

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But if fallen angels are evil (As you yourself agreed they were), and if they are also spirits (Assuming they are spirits, frankly), wouldn't it be logical to conclude they are evil spirits?

We do know that God is spirit, but God is also Good. I never stated that because Satan is a spirit, that he somehow has the same nature as God; I honestly don't know why you inferred that from anything I stated previously. Let me clarify what it is I intended to say about spirits in the first place, by using a physical model instead.

For example:

(1) Humans have physical bodies

(2) Some humans rebel and sin against God

(3) Some humans are obedient to God, and they have also accepted His Son Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior

(4) Therefore, not all humans are evil [Through the grace of God]


Likewise, although Satan and Fallen angels, like God, are spirits, I never implied they possessed the same nature of God (no one does for that matter). Rather, I should say, there are many angels, like humans, who choose to be obedient to God. If indeed those good angels are spirits, would we not call them 'good spirits'? To the contrary, if fallen angels are also spirits, would we not call them 'bad or evil spirits,' considering we have already established fallen angels are evil for rebelling and sinning against God? Mind you, the qualities of good or evil natures are not denoted by beautiful or hideous forms, but by the character of one's nature. Many claim that Satan is the most beautiful of all angels, but those who make that claim, also state he is the most vile.


This is what I have gathered so far:

(1) You accept the premise that fallen angels are evil

(2) You also (or at least should) accept the definition of the word "demon" is: "evil spirit," as this is the literal Greek to English translation of the word "demon"

(3) You deny and/or question the validity of whether or not angels, fallen or otherwise, are spirits

(4) Therefore, you have concluded fallen angels are evil, but until it has been established they are spirits, you would not classify them as evil spirits.


I am seriously past the point of discussing my views on this any further with you, as I feel as though my discussing this with you has been perceived as argumentative. It is not my intention to argue -- if that is how my communications have come across -- but I do enjoy discussion. Yet it seems at this point, I have only upset you with everything I have said. But I really would like to know, what is it you think demons are? I want your honest opinion, and please explain why you have reached that opinion.


Grace and Peace!
Sorry if I took it that you were being argumentative. As for angels, I'm assuming they're spirits. I'm only saying that I don't think we know what spirits actually are. We know we can't see them, at least most of the time. lol. Concerning demons or evil spirits, I also was only saying that we can't be sure evil spirits are fallen angels, at least not in all cases. Again and again, I have to wonder why the "angels that sinned" mentioned in Jude are said to be chained in Tartarus, and yet obviously there's evil spirits or demons possessing humans on earth. It seems they're different kinds of entities, that's all.
 
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I have heard this from friends and acquaintances. I do not have a source to post.
Well, a demon is a demon, however they came in existence, I suppose.

Sometimes large numbers of people believe false things, I think.
 
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danschance

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1) We do know demons are evil spirits from numerous scriptures.
2) We know they are opposed to God and remain loyal to satan.
3) We know there are fallen angels.

The bible never once says fallen angels are demons or vice versa. So we have one of two choices we can make about them.

a) Demons and fallen angels are the same .
b) They are not the same.

If they are not the same, then what are demons? Where did they come from?
 
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danschance

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Well, a demon is a demon, however they came in existence, I suppose.

Sometimes large numbers of people believe false things, I think.
I agree with that. The majority can be wrong.
 
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Shiloah

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1) We do know demons are evil spirits from numerous scriptures.
2) We know they are opposed to God and remain loyal to satan.
3) We know there are fallen angels.

The bible never once says fallen angels are demons or vice versa. So we have one of two choices we can make about them.

a) Demons and fallen angels are the same .
b) They are not the same.

If they are not the same, then what are demons? Where did they come from?
Well, guess we'll just have to leave that open until all the info comes in. That can be done, by the way. We don't HAVE to formulate conclusions about absolutely everything when we obviously don't have all the info in to do so. Things can be left on the shelf while further study continues, which we will be doing all of our lives on many issues. That's just a fact.
 
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kennyjames

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hi kenisyes: kennyjames here: pastor I think I got the answer to Isaiah 45,7 . god did create evil when he created (satin) the verse was pointed out to me by someone on this site, I think a j.w. so I looked it up and for sure there it is in black and white!! I thought there has got to be a deeper meaning behind these words, I`ve been 2 days now trying to find the deeper meaning then I got to thinking how often Jesus spoke in parables, and then it came to me, as from God/Jesus/the Holy ghost, I cant imagine me being so special/or blessed ( prayerfully I`m not being delusional!!) but I think this is the answer!!KENNYJAMES/KENJ