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Demons follow after the authority of the Devil, and in Rev. ch 12 we are told of the Dragon and his angels, or the demon force that follows after him. Of course the demonic forces could be far more then we're able to know in this life but that is why we must trust Him, Jesus. So God does not just spell it out for you, this does not mean there is no physical proof in His Word. ........it is the glory of God to conceal a thing, but the honer of kings to search out the matter......
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There are at least three definitions of demons going around: fallen angels, daimonion (the Greek of the NT), and soul-power creations. In the third, they can even be destroyed (to tie this in with your other thread) by pure mortals, nonetheless. If I go by the one in the gospels (which is what I assume most of us would choose), according to the common use of the word in Greek, the second of my three, they are not fallen angels. In fact, fallen angels sometimes use them as "bodies" made of soul power, and in this definition they cannot be destroyed, except by God. The third definition I have learned from ex-witches, where they are created and destroyed as desired. A classic case is the discarnate entities created by the Toronto Society for Psychical Research back in the early 1970's.
If God's angels are ministering spirits sent to the saints to help them overcome the curse of the fallen, the the fallen angels are demonic spirits there to enforce the curse of the fallen. no matter how many different sorts of demonic creatures there are. They are there to demonize God and His righteousness where ever it is found, and yes they can be destroyed by God! i e the sons of God in Christ! That God in His own time might show His power through His people.
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According to Revelation 12:7
7 Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. 8 But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. 9 The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan,who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.
Revelation 12:4
4 Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that it might devour her child the moment he was born.
Most people understand and accept this to suggest that all demons are angels which fell with Lucifer.
7 Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. 8 But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. 9 The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan,who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.
Revelation 12:4
4 Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that it might devour her child the moment he was born.
Most people understand and accept this to suggest that all demons are angels which fell with Lucifer.
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They are different things. Demons is a bad translation also. It should be evil spirit. Evil spirits are sent from Satan.
The fallen angels are people that where suppose to stay in heaven but instead, chose to attack Adam and eves children, whom Christ would come. The daughters of Adam is what is meant in Gen 6 and Jude; where they kept not their first estate .
God will be using them , the angels to test and correct people here living on the earth, in the very near future. Read Revelation chapter 12: 9.
If your not aware of this, then your going to be in a really unfortunate situation when God gives the order for this to happen.
The fallen angels are people that where suppose to stay in heaven but instead, chose to attack Adam and eves children, whom Christ would come. The daughters of Adam is what is meant in Gen 6 and Jude; where they kept not their first estate .
God will be using them , the angels to test and correct people here living on the earth, in the very near future. Read Revelation chapter 12: 9.
If your not aware of this, then your going to be in a really unfortunate situation when God gives the order for this to happen.
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Well quite honestly, there has to be some distinction between the demons Jesus cast out of that guy who called himself Legion and the demons or fallen angels or whatever that are said to be in chains in Tartarus in Jude? What distinction exists there, I've always wondered? I sure dunno. Also, does the Bible ever specifically say that demons that possess people are fallen angels?
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This is true. It is often translated devil or unclean spirit. The word used is "demonized", derived from the Greek word that gives us our word "demon". That word is "daimon", and is used regularly in the Greek language for a purposeful intelligence. The usage allows it to be considered a separate entity, capable of existing wihtout a body, or in one. For example, where we would refer to Einstein's intellectual and creative ability, Greek might speak of his daimon.
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You say angels are spirit beings. That might be true but can you support that with scripture?
There are different theories as to what demons might be.
1) They are fallen angels. This is a widely held belief but nothing in scripture supports this.
2) They are the spirits of the Nephilim. The Nephilim were a hybrid race of fallen angels have relations with women.
There are different theories as to what demons might be.
1) They are fallen angels. This is a widely held belief but nothing in scripture supports this.
2) They are the spirits of the Nephilim. The Nephilim were a hybrid race of fallen angels have relations with women.
What does chained and imprisoned mean? We know that these fallen angels cannot return to the place where God dwells, because they cannot cross over the blood of Jesus that cleansed the heavens, (or 3rd heaven). This is why in Rev ch 12 it says,......they were cast out of heaven and no more place was found for them there...; because Jesus as the High Priest cleansed the Holy Place with Has blood. They were cast to the earth with the Dragon and they have no other place to go. These fallen angels are Satan's Army, we are told by Paul, .......... that we do not fight against flesh and blood but against principalities and powers in high places....the rulers of darkness.....spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places..... So where are they chained or imprisoned now? They are the rulers of the darkness of this present age. This is where they are imprisoned until they the time of their judgement. Not to say that there are not some imprisoned some place else also, I do not know.
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If you use the Greek definition, demons are not automatically evil, they are either evil or good, as are men. The daimon of Socrates is mentioned specifically, and this was considered good. The evil occurs because they take over someone else. If you accept that they are soul power enititeis created by men, there is no problem with God creating them.
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There are many kinds of spirit beings. Our spirits, angels, thrones, powers, dominions, prinicipalities, chrubs, seraphs, ophanim, etc. to name a few (not to mention God Himself). It was Aquinas who said they are all types of angels. Scripture implies they are all different, since they are used in various lists that separate them. Just because two things are spirits does not make them the same kind of thing. In my third definition, they are not spirits at all, but made of soul-power vibes.
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Although participants in online discussion forums devoted to paranormal and supernatural topics describe them as menacing, among other believers and paranormal authors, there is no consensus that shadow people are either evil, helpful, or neutral, and some even speculate that shadow people may be the extra-dimensional inhabitants of another universe.[SUP][6][/SUP][SUP][9][/SUP] Some paranormal investigators and authors such as Chad Stambaugh claim to have recorded images of shadow people on video.[SUP][10][/SUP]
Shadow people feature in two episodes of ITV paranormal documentary series Extreme Ghost Stories, where they are described as "black masses"
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God Didn't not create evil nor can he ever tempt anyone with evil...Satan chose to be evil and so did the 1/3 of the angles. They chose to be evil they chose to disobey just as Adam did. So likewise as Adam fell from glory so did the angels that disobeyed God and followed Lucifer. Heaven can't hold no sin.
With that said demons are fallen angels Cuz God didn't create them as demons but as holy and pure creatures just like he created adam, holy and perfect till he sinned
With that said demons are fallen angels Cuz God didn't create them as demons but as holy and pure creatures just like he created adam, holy and perfect till he sinned
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