LOVE IS fULFILLING THE LAW OF GOD BUT DOES NOT MEAN THAT YOU MAY IGNORE GOD'S LAW

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Rom 13:8-10 "Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore Love is the fulfilling of the law. For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt Love thy neighbour as thyself."
Now, isn't this interesting. So many people believe that you only need to Love, and do not need to obey the Commandments of God, as their argument is that Love is fulfilling the law and you are not bound by the Law. Well, this text clearly connects Love to the obeying of God's Commandments. If this is the case then surely the first four Commandments in the Law of God dictate what Love towards God should be, which incidentally includes the Keeping of the real Sabbath, Saturday, Holy.
Have a blessed Sabbath today, the 20th of July 2013.
 

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which incidentally includes the Keeping of the real Sabbath, Saturday, Holy.
Have a blessed Sabbath today, the 20th of July 2013.
Under the new covenant Christ is our Sabbath rest thus we are not obligated to observe the Sabbath day. "Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest" (Matthew 11:28).

"Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ" (Colossians 2:14).

 

Apostol2013

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The law of moses was replaced by the everlasting covenant of our Lord jesus Christ in the righteousness (psalms45:6-7)of the law of the spirit that made us truly free from sin (rom8:2)as long as we abide in christ to live a sinless life as possible for this is posible with Gods Spirit but to remain in commune with God we must keep the temple clean in love mercy compassion in all good works (mathew 3:3)but works of the fruits of the spirit (galatians5:5)
 

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In Colossians 2:14, the apostle Paul wrote, speaking of Christ, “Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to His cross.”

Ephesians 2:15 states, “Having abolished in His [Christ’s] flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in Himself of two one new man, so making peace.”

These verses do not do away with God’s Laws. The term “ordinances” is translated from the Greek word dogma, referring to human laws and decrees—“the commandments and doctrines of men” (Col. 2:22).

Christ referred to such humanly-devised ordinances in Mark 7:6-9, when He stated, “Well has Isaiah prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me. Howbeit in vain do they worship Me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things you do…Full well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your own tradition.” In verse 13, He stated, “Making the Word of God of none effect through your tradition, which you have delivered: and many such like things do you.”

While Christ’s sacrifice did do away with the need for animal sacrifices, as well as eliminating other physical, priestly duties and various other physical requirements (Heb. 7:12; also again notice Gal. 3:10-13), the “ordinances” referred to pharisaical decrees that restricted and burdened the Jews and certain ascetic, oppressive ordinances of “touch not, taste not, handle not” (vs. 21) that had been bound on the Colossian Gentiles. (Notice I Corinthians 8:4-10.)

They became a “middle wall of partition” (Eph. 2:14) between Jews and Gentiles being called into God’s Church. They resulted in prejudice, animosity, suspicion and separation. But Christ demolished that barrier by His supreme sacrifice: “For He [Christ] is our peace, who has made both [Jews and Gentiles] one, and has broken down the middle wall of partition between us” (Eph. 2:14).

Many newly begotten Christians in Paul’s time continued to be burdened by their former beliefs. For instance, at the Temple, there was a literal wall separating the court of the Gentiles from that of the Jews. Gentiles dared not pass it, under the penalty of death.

It was hard for some Jewish converts to leave in the past such a deeply ingrained aspect of their lives. The apostle Peter himself was even affected by it (Gal. 2:11-12), and was reprimanded by Paul, who also showed that physical circumcision (to which the Jews expected Gentile converts to adhere), “is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God” (I Cor. 7:19).

The Gentiles were influenced by pagan philosophy, with its restraints and regulations. The city of Colossae was renowned for its asceticism. The pagans passed judgment on Christians for the freedom they enjoyed—eating meats (again notice I Cor. 8:4-10), drinking wine, and observing God’s weekly and annual Sabbaths in the joyous manner He intended.

Also, asceticism taught that by doing penance (abstinence, fasting, and even self-inflicted pain and suffering), one could receive release from the guilt of sin. Speaking against such human standards and judgments, Paul wrote, “Beware lest any man spoil you through [human] philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ” (Col. 2:8). In other words, all such practices had no spiritual power and reaped no spiritual benefit.
Christ did not do away with any part of God’s Law (Matt. 5:17). He offered Himself as the sacrifice for our sins (paying the death penalty in our stead and cleansing our conscience of guilt). What He abolished were the ascetic ordinances and Talmudic traditions (“heavy burdens and grievous to be borne”-Matt. 23:4). Peter wrote, “…Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps” (I Pet. 2:21). Christians are those who “walk, even as He walked” (I John 2:6).

Through His sacrifice, Christ made it possible for all (Jews and Gentiles) to become spiritual Israelites, the children of God (Gal. 3:26-29), living together within the framework of His perfect Law (Jms. 1:25). In Matthew 5:17-18, He stated, “Think not that I am come to destroy the Law, or the Prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill…Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the Law, till all be fulfilled.” Christ stressed the importance of keeping the spirit of the Law, as well as the letter (Matt. 5), stating, “If you know these things, happy are you if you do them” (John 13:17).

Christ did away with the ordinances of men, not God’s Law. Paul calls this Law “holy, just and good” (Rom. 7:12). God’s Law was given for our benefit and is more binding than ever. Notice Deuteronomy 4:40: “You shall keep therefore His statutes, and His commandments, which I command you this day, that it may go well with you, and with your children after you, and that you may prolong your days upon the earth, which the Lord your God gives you, for ever.”

Source: Did Christ's sacrifice do away with God's Law, as Colossians 2:14 and Ephesians 2:15 seem to indicate?
 
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There are 2 types of Adultery 1 physical that appears not live past physical death & the other Spiritually adulterating against The Spirit Of Eternal Truth, if not over came it follows one back into The Holly Ghost, The Spirit Of Eternal Truth. With what judgement one judges physical adulterers with they will be Spiritually judged by, parable to a Spiritual white glove inspection.

Only the sinless, sin equal being separated from The Spirit Of Eternal Truth, in 1 or more way. There fore we who are in part are not qualified to judge others negatively, such judgement belongs to God, not in part humans, parable as Jesus is quoted praying, Fathe for give them for they (these professing believers) know not what they do.
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Christ fulfilled the law in our stead and is now actively working it out in our lives through the Holy Spirit...commonly known as the fruit of the Spirit...love,peace, joy, patience and all that other good stuff.
 
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Starfield, you obviously have a lot to learn. Start crawling before you can walk and then you can learn to run. Not the other way around.
 
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To abide in Christ is to love Him and to Love Him is to obey what He taught and that is to follow the commandments until He comes to collect His flock. 1 Tim 6:14
 
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There are so many texts to prove my point. Just go and read 1 Tim 6:14,Mat 19:17, 2Joh 1:6, 1Joh 2:4, 2 Pet 2:21, Jac 2:10 etc etc. Just be honest to yourself.
 
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Anytime the bible or anyone of cc says anything about physically doing something to obey God there is outrage. God says, they tell us, we could sit in our armchair watching TV and think about God, and be careful not to steal from our neighbors and that is all God asks of us. That physical doing and spiritual being is connected is not to be accepted.

They say it is because of the new covenant that it is fine to do nothing. Part of the new covenant is that we have the law within us, as we have the HS within us. The HS gives us understanding of holiness,and leads us to searching for knowledge of holiness. God did the same kind of teaching when He freed His people from Egypt, a symbol of freeing us from the bondage of sin. God taught them things to do physically to represent the spirit God was trying to teach. Now God is giving us better understanding,and we are saying we have that understanding, we don’t have to do a thing. Not doing anything is leading us into not understanding. We are human. It is similar to learning to draw, but refusing to use that knowledge. We need practice.

The Hebrews were taught to do physical things that represented the spiritual. They didn’t have knowledge of the spiritual they were given to teach. They were taught to wash their hands, but they didn’t understand that it represented the cleansing of Christ. The physical helped them in many ways, for what we do physically has a spiritual counterpart, but it was empty without the spiritual understanding. We are to search each God instruction and with the knowledge given us through the HS, find what God was teaching.

We are transformed by the HS, but it is not completed by sitting in an armchair thinking about it. If it doesn’t lead us to doing, it dies.

Romans 8:1-39ESV /
There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death. For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh,in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit. ...

Romans 7:6ESV /
But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code.

Heb_8:13By saying, a new covenant, He has declared that the first is old. And what is old and aging is about to disappear.

The first covenant was with Adam, and it was based on works. Adam's part in it was not to eat the apple. Our new covenant in based on the blood of Christ. That blood frees us from sin, so it is not our works that frees us, it is through the grace,inherent in the forgiveness Christ offers. Our part in that is repentance. Some of God’s covenants do not require anything from us, but this one does. It requires repentance. We must look to scripture to find what God considers holy, and what God considers things we are to repent and turn from.

Many Christians say we are freed from all covenants. That is not scripture. We are free from the first covenant of works without the blood of Christ freeing us. When we look at the blood of Christ, we find that when we repent we are led to trying to live by the law. Through Christ we have freedom available, we are not dead through the law, we have life through Christ.


 
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Rom 13:8-10 "Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore Love is the fulfilling of the law. For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt Love thy neighbour as thyself."
Now, isn't this interesting. So many people believe that you only need to Love, and do not need to obey the Commandments of God, as their argument is that Love is fulfilling the law and you are not bound by the Law. Well, this text clearly connects Love to the obeying of God's Commandments. If this is the case then surely the first four Commandments in the Law of God dictate what Love towards God should be, which incidentally includes the Keeping of the real Sabbath, Saturday, Holy.
Have a blessed Sabbath today, the 20th of July 2013.
I understand, but the problem here is that humans definition of Love is contradicting what the Bible means by Love. Part of Love is "SELF CONTROL" so that easily sums up the law just in that characteristic of Love.

If you followed the law without love your good for nothing.
 
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Hello

Psalms 127:1 | Read whole chapter (A Song of degrees for Solomon.) Except the LORD build the house,they labour in vain that build it: except the LORD keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain.
 
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This goes back to the same argument Paul had with Peter and Barnabas, and the Christian Jews at that time. The Christian Jews felt that becoming Christian required becoming Jews, with circumcision the culmination of those rites. Read Acts.

Paul fought that, calling them false brothers. Paul said that becoming Christian meant doing that from the heart, and it could be done without circumcision. Even the Jews who accepted Christ were to listen to what was really required.

The developing church took all Paul said and decided that no Jew could keep his Judaism and still be Christian, and no Christian could do anything relating to Judaism. I think that stand is just as wrong as the stand the first Jewish Christians made in declaring you had to be a Jew to be Christian.

I can see Paul being pretty shook up to see that he not only got his point across, but got millions of people to use his fight to fight the Jews, so now they had to become gentiles to be Christian and no gentile could use any Jewish ways ever.
 
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I understand, but the problem here is that humans definition of Love is contradicting what the Bible means by Love. Part of Love is "SELF CONTROL" so that easily sums up the law just in that characteristic of Love.

If you followed the law without love your good for nothing.
I like that! And if you follow love without the law it is good for nothing, also. Love without any acting on love is no love at all, and the law guides our acting out love. And only doing the acts of love without love is worthless.
 
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For professing Christians, God has one law, & that law is to put Jesus' 4 foundation love teachings, especially the 2 that on them hang the fulling of all the other laws/commandments!
Don't build on Jesus' Love teachings & remain in part. Remember there are only 2 parts, 1 The Spirit Of Eternal Truth & the other, lies mingled with Truth used to seduce any who will away from The Fullness of The (seed of God) Spirit Of Eternal Truth!
Chose you this moment who you will follow/serve, The seed of God that is within all who are, or the physical, anti-Christ temptations that come from without
Beckon
 
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To abide in Christ is to love Him and to Love Him is to obey what He taught and that is to follow the commandments until He comes to collect His flock. 1 Tim 6:14
How true that is!!! I have something to add that the law "obsoleters" won't like. Until the death of our Lord, all that He taught was under the Old Testament. If any are interested, they can read the thread............... [h=2]Most of the 4 Gospels are part of the Old Testament[/h]
And then come back in here and present their arguments.
 
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I understand, but the problem here is that humans definition of Love is contradicting what the Bible means by Love. Part of Love is "SELF CONTROL" so that easily sums up the law just in that characteristic of Love.

If you followed the law without love your good for nothing.
You are right when you say that humans definition of Love is contradicting what the Bible means by Love. Humans normally do not have the full picture of what God wants them to do, and that is why we have His Word to study. Jesus Christ spelt out what Love is and that is to obey the Commandments of God. That is Love. Sure, there are other attributes to Love such a self control etc. but when you start living out the Commandments of God, you will be showing your real inner Love because you can measure it with the Law of God. If you do not use God's Name in vain, or do not have any other gods, or do not carve out statues and pray to them, or do not ignore the Sabbath, you will show your respect and Love towards God. Obviously, if you do not believe in God, you will not obey His Commandments. My problem however is that many churches today know what is right and wrong but they keep on teaching the non-truth ie Sabbath = Sunday = not necessary/ important etc. which is so against God's Will. We as humans need to cast our own ideas in the waters when we have the exact proof of what we must do from the Word of God. We first need to repent for all our sins and be baptized before we can become a child of God. Only then do we have a chance to be saved. To just believe in Jesus Christ while ignoring the Commandments of God, the chances of being saved is NIL. If you do follow God's Law, you will show your Love towards God and your neighbor.
 
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For professing Christians, God has one law, & that law is to put Jesus' 4 foundation love teachings, especially the 2 that on them hang the fulling of all the other laws/commandments!
Don't build on Jesus' Love teachings & remain in part. Remember there are only 2 parts, 1 The Spirit Of Eternal Truth & the other, lies mingled with Truth used to seduce any who will away from The Fullness of The (seed of God) Spirit Of Eternal Truth!
Chose you this moment who you will follow/serve, The seed of God that is within all who are, or the physical, anti-Christ temptations that come from without
Beckon
Please elaborate on the Jesus' 4 foundation love teachings.
 
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Christ fulfilled the law in our stead and is now actively working it out in our lives through the Holy Spirit...commonly known as the fruit of the Spirit...love,peace, joy, patience and all that other good stuff.
What do you mean by your statement "Christ fulfilled the law"? Do you agree or disagree with my statement?