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#1 Jesus never said what you allege He did about their being no more prophets.
#2 The New Testament (even after Jesus' life, death, and resurrection) says there are prophets.
Ephesians 4
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
#2 The New Testament (even after Jesus' life, death, and resurrection) says there are prophets.
Ephesians 4
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
Luke 16:16 "The law and the prophets were until John. Since that time the kingdom of God has been preached, and everyone is pressing into it."
A prophet in the OT was someone whom God had direct communication with to do his bidding. God does not have direct communication with man anymore. He has hidden himself until after the millennium. There are no more prophets, just as Jesus said.
Even Jesus has reduced his communication with us so that he too can be sought after but not found before he returns.
"“I will no longer talk much with you, for the ruler of this world is coming, and he has nothing in Me.” John 14:30
"Then Jesus said to them, "I shall be with you a little while longer, and then I go to Him who sent Me. You will seek Me and not find Me, and where I am you cannot come." John 7:33 & 34
"Little children, I shall be with you a little while longer. You will seek Me; and as I said to the Jews, 'Where I am going, you cannot come,' so now I say to you." John 13:33
The meaning of prophet now is one who relays that which was already said will come to pass. They are not Prophets in the sense of the OT prophets, and so as Jesus said, there are no more prophets.
A prophet in the OT was someone whom God had direct communication with to do his bidding. God does not have direct communication with man anymore. He has hidden himself until after the millennium. There are no more prophets, just as Jesus said.
Even Jesus has reduced his communication with us so that he too can be sought after but not found before he returns.
"“I will no longer talk much with you, for the ruler of this world is coming, and he has nothing in Me.” John 14:30
"Then Jesus said to them, "I shall be with you a little while longer, and then I go to Him who sent Me. You will seek Me and not find Me, and where I am you cannot come." John 7:33 & 34
"Little children, I shall be with you a little while longer. You will seek Me; and as I said to the Jews, 'Where I am going, you cannot come,' so now I say to you." John 13:33
The meaning of prophet now is one who relays that which was already said will come to pass. They are not Prophets in the sense of the OT prophets, and so as Jesus said, there are no more prophets.
Daniel and John will both teach the meaning of the prophecies during the millennium or shortly thereafter so that we will know what to expect after the millennium and where the battle between Gog and Magog will be one of the last remaining prophecies. But no new prophecies will be given out or new prophets made.
There's one simple and logical reason why there are prophets around today - because Jesus warned us against false prophets in the last days.
If there were no true prophets, Jesus could simply have said "guys, there's no prophets around anymore, so any and every prophet is false".
Although there aren't prophets in the old testament sense, there are prophets in the new testament sense.
I believe that there are prophets today but the problem I have is with the so called prophetic movements which are attempting to re-establish the ministry and function of old testament prophets! They call themselves Elijah, Isaiah, Elisha, whoever you want your role model old testament prophet to be, wave a star of david around and flags and blow shofars and call down sprinkle faerie dust from heaven and dance around pretending to be old testament prophets. A lot of it has new age teachings mixed in.
But what about Paul? he was a prophet. Paul said, imitate me as I imitate Christ. What about the prophets in the new testament?
When people follow the ways of the old testament prophets, they put themselves under the curse and under bondage of the Law of Moses again and all that the old testament represents. Some in here have already fallen for that deception.
If there were no true prophets, Jesus could simply have said "guys, there's no prophets around anymore, so any and every prophet is false".
Although there aren't prophets in the old testament sense, there are prophets in the new testament sense.
I believe that there are prophets today but the problem I have is with the so called prophetic movements which are attempting to re-establish the ministry and function of old testament prophets! They call themselves Elijah, Isaiah, Elisha, whoever you want your role model old testament prophet to be, wave a star of david around and flags and blow shofars and call down sprinkle faerie dust from heaven and dance around pretending to be old testament prophets. A lot of it has new age teachings mixed in.
But what about Paul? he was a prophet. Paul said, imitate me as I imitate Christ. What about the prophets in the new testament?
When people follow the ways of the old testament prophets, they put themselves under the curse and under bondage of the Law of Moses again and all that the old testament represents. Some in here have already fallen for that deception.
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There's one simple and logical reason why there are prophets around today - because Jesus warned us against false prophets in the last days.
If there were no true prophets, Jesus could simply have said "guys, there's no prophets around anymore, so any and every prophet is false".
Although there aren't prophets in the old testament sense, there are prophets in the new testament sense.
I believe that there are prophets today but the problem I have is with the so called prophetic movements which are attempting to re-establish the ministry and function of old testament prophets! They call themselves Elijah, Isaiah, Elisha, whoever you want your role model old testament prophet to be, wave a star of david around and flags and blow shofars and call down sprinkle faerie dust from heaven and dance around pretending to be old testament prophets. A lot of it has new age teachings mixed in.
But what about Paul? he was a prophet. Paul said, imitate me as I imitate Christ. What about the prophets in the new testament? No one patterns their life after them because they are so high minded in their spiritual pride of wanting to be an Elijah or an Elisha or a Moses. But just be who God wants you to be and forget about all this prophetic-mania, which is nothing more than superstition. I remember one so called prophetic person who said how they liked to decorate their christmas tree with elves and wizards and witches and evil things like these!
When people follow the ways of the old testament prophets, they put themselves under the curse and under bondage of the Law of Moses again and all that the old testament represents. Some in here have already fallen for that deception.
But old testmanet prophets lived in a time where really only prophets and chosen men and women had the Spirit of God. Now, all believers have access to the Father by one Spirit and all can function in prophetic ministry according to the Spirit's giftings and will. There's no need for shofars and flags and all this nonsense. Just preach the Word and what God puts on your heart. A Christian, is GREATER than an old testament prophet or old testament prophet wannabe. The LEAST in the kingdom of heaven is greater than John! But these old testament prophet wannabes want to take control of your life (through their vain words) and your churches under the guise of restoring some lost old testament prophetic ministry. It wasn't lost, it has changed form and function.
If there were no true prophets, Jesus could simply have said "guys, there's no prophets around anymore, so any and every prophet is false".
Although there aren't prophets in the old testament sense, there are prophets in the new testament sense.
I believe that there are prophets today but the problem I have is with the so called prophetic movements which are attempting to re-establish the ministry and function of old testament prophets! They call themselves Elijah, Isaiah, Elisha, whoever you want your role model old testament prophet to be, wave a star of david around and flags and blow shofars and call down sprinkle faerie dust from heaven and dance around pretending to be old testament prophets. A lot of it has new age teachings mixed in.
But what about Paul? he was a prophet. Paul said, imitate me as I imitate Christ. What about the prophets in the new testament? No one patterns their life after them because they are so high minded in their spiritual pride of wanting to be an Elijah or an Elisha or a Moses. But just be who God wants you to be and forget about all this prophetic-mania, which is nothing more than superstition. I remember one so called prophetic person who said how they liked to decorate their christmas tree with elves and wizards and witches and evil things like these!
When people follow the ways of the old testament prophets, they put themselves under the curse and under bondage of the Law of Moses again and all that the old testament represents. Some in here have already fallen for that deception.
But old testmanet prophets lived in a time where really only prophets and chosen men and women had the Spirit of God. Now, all believers have access to the Father by one Spirit and all can function in prophetic ministry according to the Spirit's giftings and will. There's no need for shofars and flags and all this nonsense. Just preach the Word and what God puts on your heart. A Christian, is GREATER than an old testament prophet or old testament prophet wannabe. The LEAST in the kingdom of heaven is greater than John! But these old testament prophet wannabes want to take control of your life (through their vain words) and your churches under the guise of restoring some lost old testament prophetic ministry. It wasn't lost, it has changed form and function.
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Pickles, # 36: “So when one is told of a need or concern for prayer. Not necessarily.The one hearing has knowladge of the answer to that need. Such as healing, or the concern. That would be knowladge.That would be a “word of knowledge. And the person hearing would then pray. It would be for intercession. God may or may not give the hearer a word of direction, correction, or instruction for the person in need. Each case is different. If one knows of a future event or answer needed for comfort or an answer to a question that is prophacy? If GOD tell a person of an upcoming EVENT, it will be for this reason: to pray ...either for or against it, with repentance. In this type of prophecy, the outcome can be changed by the repentance and prayer of man IF God gives an alternative. Example “The Lord says “If My people pray..... or “IF my people repent”. The outcome, if negative can be avoided by prayer and repentance....think Nineva. On the other hand, If the word is positive, the blessing or 'reward', can also be lost. Ex: “When My people forsake their idols and repent, I will lead them out of captivity” Of course, if they don't do that, then they don't receive freedom. They seem so close, except as a warning for comfort, repentance, warning or preparation. Warnings are part of prophecy and usually do not come from regular Christians with the GIFT of Prophecy, but rather from a person who has the OFFICE of a Prophet. There is a difference. Words of comfort, encouragement, exhortation and exaltation are prophetic messages, from God through a person given to another. All Christians are to prophesy, but not all Christians hold the office of prophet...just like all Christians are not pastors, or teachers, or evangelists or apostles.
Anyone that declares the word of God, regardless if they are predicting the future or not Not so. A PROPHET...holding the OFFICE of the prophet receives from God directives for FUTURE. But All Christians can prophesy according 1 Corinthians 14:3 "But one who prophesies speaks to men for edification and exhortation and consolation.” One needs to be careful that what they say to someone is truly from God and not just their own heart on the matter.
Oh, another question, how does one test the knowladge or prophacy? I know that if it is not by your will but by God's will. Also it proves true. Do you test in the name of Jesus? Or is it always a matter of accepting in faith? God bless, pickles A word of knowledge will resonate with the person it is spoken to. A word of revelation will also resonate with the hearer...like a light bulb moment. A prophecy for future circumstances needs to be taken first to the Word of God. Does it negate any truth that God puts forth about you? 2ndly, it should be taken to the elders of the church...or other prophetically gifted people for them to judge, for scripture tells us that prophetic word are subject to the other prophetically gifted people....and words of prophets are subject to other prophets for their judging. 3Rd, When a person receives a prophetic word that is 'future', it should be taken to the Lord in prayer, asking Him for confirmation from another source...another prophetic word from a different person, a dream, letter...God is full of ideas and knows exactly how to get one's attention in order to confirm a word that He has given through one of His prophets.
Jesus never said there would be no more prophets. Have you read Joel 2:27-29? NONE of the positions of ministry has ever been eliminated, via scripture. All are necessary to the end of the age. The church was built up prophets and apostles. Take that foundation away and the 'building'...the church, will fall.
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Oh, another question, how does one test the knowladge or prophacy? I know that if it is not by your will but by God's will. Also it proves true. Do you test in the name of Jesus? Or is it always a matter of accepting in faith? God bless, pickles A word of knowledge will resonate with the person it is spoken to. A word of revelation will also resonate with the hearer...like a light bulb moment. A prophecy for future circumstances needs to be taken first to the Word of God. Does it negate any truth that God puts forth about you? 2ndly, it should be taken to the elders of the church...or other prophetically gifted people for them to judge, for scripture tells us that prophetic word are subject to the other prophetically gifted people....and words of prophets are subject to other prophets for their judging. 3Rd, When a person receives a prophetic word that is 'future', it should be taken to the Lord in prayer, asking Him for confirmation from another source...another prophetic word from a different person, a dream, letter...God is full of ideas and knows exactly how to get one's attention in order to confirm a word that He has given through one of His prophets.
Jesus never said there would be no more prophets. Have you read Joel 2:27-29? NONE of the positions of ministry has ever been eliminated, via scripture. All are necessary to the end of the age. The church was built up prophets and apostles. Take that foundation away and the 'building'...the church, will fall.
Maggie
I guess you're calling Jesus a liar then. "The law and the prophets were until John. Since that time the kingdom of God has been preached, and everyone is pressing into it." Luke 16:16
Prophecy today is the teaching of the word of God, it is not making things happen. Prophecy in the OT that Jesus was referring to is the events of things to come. It was the unveiling of God and his desires, done by a hand full of people. You believe you can prophecy, but you can't. Any person who says they have a word of knowledge is not foretelling the future, but foretelling the present at best.
The other alternative is that it is the work of the Antichrist leading people astray and allowing them to believe that they prophecy. I have sit and listened to mumble jumbers claiming to speak in tongues claiming to prophecy. I call speaking in the tongues devils work.
Ask yourself this, if you hear someone saying that they are Jesus, why is it that you know they are lying? Likewise, if you hear someone say they are prophecying, why is it that you believe them? I don't wish to call Jesus a liar. If he said there are no more prophets, I believe him. But then maybe I understand what he meant too.
As for Joel 2:27-29, it seems the bible must have a different meaning, or we have found another contradiction or even a lie. How many other lies are in the bible then?
Prophecy today is the teaching of the word of God, it is not making things happen. Prophecy in the OT that Jesus was referring to is the events of things to come. It was the unveiling of God and his desires, done by a hand full of people. You believe you can prophecy, but you can't. Any person who says they have a word of knowledge is not foretelling the future, but foretelling the present at best.
The other alternative is that it is the work of the Antichrist leading people astray and allowing them to believe that they prophecy. I have sit and listened to mumble jumbers claiming to speak in tongues claiming to prophecy. I call speaking in the tongues devils work.
Ask yourself this, if you hear someone saying that they are Jesus, why is it that you know they are lying? Likewise, if you hear someone say they are prophecying, why is it that you believe them? I don't wish to call Jesus a liar. If he said there are no more prophets, I believe him. But then maybe I understand what he meant too.
As for Joel 2:27-29, it seems the bible must have a different meaning, or we have found another contradiction or even a lie. How many other lies are in the bible then?
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I agree based on God's Word. Prior to the New Testament and Jesus death to allow us direct access
to God, Prophets were needed. God directed the Old Testament Prophets and they were God's
voice to His people. There was no doubt when God spoke.
Today, prophets are not needed. Jesus came and died and became our Eternal Priest giving us
direct access to God. Just as the Bible says the curtain in the temple was ripped in half as Jesus
died on the cross. Jesus became our direct access to God. God no longer needed to only exist
in the Holy Temple and only to the Priests. Jesus made God openly available to all mankind.
Jesus said He would send His Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is how God talks to us now. There is no
need for a prophet when we can talk directly to God our selves now and God can talk directly
to us.
Prior to Jesus death on the cross, no where did Jesus say we are to seek prophets. Jesus said
to seek Him and He will provide all our needs to accomplish all good works.
Why would we need an external prophet to tell us what our internal Christ can tell us that lives
in us if we will listen. Many want Christ to answer in a few seconds. But Christ said, "Be patient
and wait on Me". If Christians seek God's answers He will give them. But God doesn't rush just
because Christians have filled their lives with so much of this world they don't have time to seek
the guidance of the God they say they love and follow.
Christians should spend time reading God's Word daily or as many days each week as they can.
Once you have read God's Word, you should contemplate on His Word always seeking understanding
and His guidance. I do this by turning out all the lights and lighting a candle. I focus on the candle
as His Light. I try to clear my mind and just be calm and blank. Trying to allow the Holy Spirit to speak
and allow myself to hear and obey.
Any Christian that spends time with their Saviour and seeks His guidance will not be easily swayed
by the so called prophets of this world.
If God intended to use prophets, why would He send His Holy Spirit to guide us?
Why did Jesus death give us direct access to God if all we need are prophets?
Prophets and the new promise given by Jesus Christ are not compatible.
I also noticed in some post some refer to the prophet Jesus. Jesus is not a prophet. Jesus is
the Son of God who at His Father's direction came to earth to bring the gift of salvation to
a lost and dieing world.
Many have said they don't need a god to judge or condemn them.
Jesus did not come to this world to condemn it. There was no need to condemn this world
since that judgment had already been made. Jesus came to save this world from the
condemnation it already faced and is still facing.
I suggest Christians use their time and energy to read God's Word and focus on listening
to Him. God's Word is God as God has stated. By reading His Word you access not only
God's power in your life but give God access to you which is all God ever wanted in the
first place.
The gift of life God gives is great but it seems the primary purpose is lost most of the time.
God wants a personal relationship with you.
Giving answers to those that have honest questions is what a Christian should do. But also
be wise enough to know when you have answered according to God's Word and when the
question becomes an argument. Many will continue to believe as they believe regardless
of what God's Word says. We are commanded to give an answer, not to argue over what
God said.
Many of the questions I see in this forum can be answered easily by just reading God's
Word and asking His guidance.
To be a prophet or not to be a prophet is of no importance. We are commanded to seek
Christ and His guidance in all things. We are not commanded to seek a prophet.
Those seeking prophets and arguing over the importance of a prophet are not only
wasting their time, they are disobeying the one great command of Jesus - Go ye unto
all the world making disciples.
Jesus never said, "Go ye unto all the world as prophets, making prophets or seeking prophets".
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The law and the prophets We're not under that law anymore. The CHURCH...the BODY OF CHRIST....needs all five of the ministries to function as the Bride. We have evangelists today....pastors...teachers.... Nowhere in scripture does it say the other two, apostles and prohpets have been eliminated. NONE of them will be ceased until He comes again.
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Could all this debate be simply a matter of interpitation of what the prophet is? The prophets of the old testament being one type of prophet. The prophets of the new testament being in the holy spirit another? Each serving Our Lord God according to his will?
I have read of the prophets in both old and new and to deny one or the other is to deny the will of God. Jesus did say it will cometo pass in the end days that the gifts of the Spirit will be poured out apon all of mankind. So did Jesus lie? I know he did not, so how do you deny his word?
Im not trying to attack one or the other, it just makes no sence to take one thing and reject the other.
In faith, in Jesus, smies and God bless, pickles
I have read of the prophets in both old and new and to deny one or the other is to deny the will of God. Jesus did say it will cometo pass in the end days that the gifts of the Spirit will be poured out apon all of mankind. So did Jesus lie? I know he did not, so how do you deny his word?
Im not trying to attack one or the other, it just makes no sence to take one thing and reject the other.
In faith, in Jesus, smies and God bless, pickles
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