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I haven't read many of the post. So shoot me. Satan is at the throne accusing the brethren. Oh let see Job first 2 or 3 chapters. So when some one say's the devil made me do it no thats a lie you did it because you wanted to do it. He is not omnipresent. Though he has servants called demons or evil spirits that report to him. Thank God for the cross. He can't accuse the blood of the lamb are you washed in it. Just say Jesus I accept you and believe in your heart and you shall be free. why have we stopped teaching that?
The purpose of the feasts was point to Jesus and His work on the Cross.
Colossians 2:16-17, "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ."
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[/FONT][FONT=ARIAL,HELVETICA,SANS-SERIF]Hebrews 9:24-26[/FONT][FONT=ARIAL,HELVETICA,SANS-SERIF], "For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us: Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others; For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself."[/FONT]
You blatantly preach another Gospel, and IMO should be banned for it. The only feast we are required to keep is eat the bread of life. John 6:54, "Anyone who eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day..."
You don't get it, one covenant was given in types and shadows (the physical), the other was given in fulfillment in Jesus (the spiritual).1 Corinthians 15,[SUP]46 [/SUP]However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual. . It's the same covenant yes, but renewed and better is the second one, and the first one has been laid to rest, vanished, obsolete. "By saying, a new covenant, He has declared that the first is old. And what is old and aging is about to disappear (The Cross and 70AD-dead)", Hebrews 8:13.
Colossians 2:16-17, "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ."
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[/FONT][FONT=ARIAL,HELVETICA,SANS-SERIF]Hebrews 9:24-26[/FONT][FONT=ARIAL,HELVETICA,SANS-SERIF], "For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us: Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others; For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself."[/FONT]
You blatantly preach another Gospel, and IMO should be banned for it. The only feast we are required to keep is eat the bread of life. John 6:54, "Anyone who eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day..."
You don't get it, one covenant was given in types and shadows (the physical), the other was given in fulfillment in Jesus (the spiritual).1 Corinthians 15,[SUP]46 [/SUP]However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual. . It's the same covenant yes, but renewed and better is the second one, and the first one has been laid to rest, vanished, obsolete. "By saying, a new covenant, He has declared that the first is old. And what is old and aging is about to disappear (The Cross and 70AD-dead)", Hebrews 8:13.
Your post to me had nothing to do with the topic. You should have kept your mouth shut,, but you have no discipline to do that.
Instead,, you popped off with another of your sarcastic posts with these words: "If you say so"...
So rach,, why would you feel the need to address my post with those four words? Did you have a question? nope... you just made a meaningless comment to let me know you dislike or disagree,,, you surely made known no other reason for your post.. did ya? All you have is contempt for folks that obey Jesus. That is clear to me. it's been clear from the very beginning.
Instead,, you popped off with another of your sarcastic posts with these words: "If you say so"...
So rach,, why would you feel the need to address my post with those four words? Did you have a question? nope... you just made a meaningless comment to let me know you dislike or disagree,,, you surely made known no other reason for your post.. did ya? All you have is contempt for folks that obey Jesus. That is clear to me. it's been clear from the very beginning.
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my post did relate to the topic...specifically i was pointing out the absurdity of the notion that christ's reign consists of satan and his demons roaming an uninhabited earth for 1,000 years...
and then instead of defending your view...you just made a silly trollish post insinuating that i take directions from satan...
and then instead of defending your view...you just made a silly trollish post insinuating that i take directions from satan...
We have been in the age of the gentile for these 2,000 years. God gave us the commission to allow every human the opportunity of knowing about Him during this age, and that has been done. He told us to watch for the Jews returning to the Holy Land as the sign of the end of this age.
(Luk 21:24)
They will fall by the edge of the sword and be led captive into all the nations, and Jerusalem will be trampled by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.
(Rom 11:25)
So that you will not be conceited, brothers, I do not want you to be unaware of this mystery: A partial hardening has come to Israel until the full number of the Gentiles has come in.
(Luk 21:24)
They will fall by the edge of the sword and be led captive into all the nations, and Jerusalem will be trampled by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.
(Rom 11:25)
So that you will not be conceited, brothers, I do not want you to be unaware of this mystery: A partial hardening has come to Israel until the full number of the Gentiles has come in.
H
Preterists usually take one word, "bound," and explain how Satan has been bound by the gospel, since we can now realize Jesus Christ and accept the Holy Spirit. That is absolutely true, Satan has been bound in that sense. But that is not what Revelation 20 is saying:
He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time. (Revelation 20:2)
Can a preterist reconcile the last sentence? Will we, for a short time, lose the ability to realize Jesus Christ and accept the gospel? No.
Revelation 20:1-3 is literal and future. Satan will be locked up in the Abyss for a thousand years, and then he will be set free for a short time.
He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time. (Revelation 20:2)
Can a preterist reconcile the last sentence? Will we, for a short time, lose the ability to realize Jesus Christ and accept the gospel? No.
Revelation 20:1-3 is literal and future. Satan will be locked up in the Abyss for a thousand years, and then he will be set free for a short time.
God seems to work in different time periods, and usually there is a big change every 2,000 years. There was the time before the flood, then from Noah until Moses. After Moses, was a time of preparing for Christ. When Christ came there was a huge change in our world. A major portion of that was that the focus of God's working went from the Jews to the gentiles, with Paul and Peter heading that missionary work.
What went on between the Jews and gentiles at that time is overlooked by the church, but I think much of the last 2,000 years revolves around it. Just as Moses receiving the ten commandments was important to the age of Moses, so the Nicene Council is important to our age. It was determined that Jesus was God, and that our church must sever itself from all things Jewish.
Basic to the struggle between the Jews and gentiles was not that when the Christian Jews were killed off, the others denied Christ. It was more about changing lifestyles. Gentiles lived a pagan lifestyle and didn't want to change, and Jews lived a lifestyle centered on worship of God and not only didn't want to change but wanted the gentiles to live that way, too. When Paul reported what God had to say about that, that God said the gospel was more than diet, etc., the pagans ate it up. We have been elaborating on that until now religion has no boundaries and discipline, making fun of Jewish discipline. We say it is only works, so when we understand works doesn't save us, we take it on so say we should not work. God doesn't say that.
Now I think there is a turn around. We are learning to understand the OT better. We have seen the holocaust and been horrified. Prophecy is being fulfilled. There are churches combining Christ and Moses, as God did. We are seeing the down side of the world we have created with no printed road signs to Holy living. Gangs, Security Systems, no family, and on and on.
What went on between the Jews and gentiles at that time is overlooked by the church, but I think much of the last 2,000 years revolves around it. Just as Moses receiving the ten commandments was important to the age of Moses, so the Nicene Council is important to our age. It was determined that Jesus was God, and that our church must sever itself from all things Jewish.
Basic to the struggle between the Jews and gentiles was not that when the Christian Jews were killed off, the others denied Christ. It was more about changing lifestyles. Gentiles lived a pagan lifestyle and didn't want to change, and Jews lived a lifestyle centered on worship of God and not only didn't want to change but wanted the gentiles to live that way, too. When Paul reported what God had to say about that, that God said the gospel was more than diet, etc., the pagans ate it up. We have been elaborating on that until now religion has no boundaries and discipline, making fun of Jewish discipline. We say it is only works, so when we understand works doesn't save us, we take it on so say we should not work. God doesn't say that.
Now I think there is a turn around. We are learning to understand the OT better. We have seen the holocaust and been horrified. Prophecy is being fulfilled. There are churches combining Christ and Moses, as God did. We are seeing the down side of the world we have created with no printed road signs to Holy living. Gangs, Security Systems, no family, and on and on.
Matt 4 8 Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. 9 “All this I will give you,” he said, “if you will bow down and worship me.”10 Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.
Romans 5:21
so that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Romans 6:12Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires.
Satan (Death) has reign on the earth until Jesus had fulfilled the covenant which mean that He had paid the price and now we are in his debt from delivering us from satan (Death). Once we violate the laws, we has become the property of death. So now Jesus had paid the price and now we are under new terms, but not under the terms that we cannot keep because we are imperfect and which it lead to death, but under terms that will improve us (With assistance) which leads us to life.
1 Corinthians 7:23You were bought at a price; do not become slaves of human beings.
Romans 5:21
so that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Romans 6:12Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires.
Satan (Death) has reign on the earth until Jesus had fulfilled the covenant which mean that He had paid the price and now we are in his debt from delivering us from satan (Death). Once we violate the laws, we has become the property of death. So now Jesus had paid the price and now we are under new terms, but not under the terms that we cannot keep because we are imperfect and which it lead to death, but under terms that will improve us (With assistance) which leads us to life.
1 Corinthians 7:23You were bought at a price; do not become slaves of human beings.