If a Jerusalem temple is rebuilt, will you see that as a significant sign of the end?

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If a Jerusalem temple is rebuilt, will you see that as a significant sign of the end?

  • Yes

    Votes: 18 72.0%
  • No

    Votes: 7 28.0%

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#21
when talking about antichrists john writes this...

1 john 2:19..."They went out from us, but they were not really of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but they went out, so that it would be shown that they all are not of us."

for an antichrist to have 'gone out' from the church means that they were originally 'in the midst' of the church...though not actually -of- the true church as john points out...

i would expect the man of lawlessness to 'hide' in the midst of the church before revealing himself...paul writes in second thessalonians that the mystery of lawlessness was already at work in his time and would be revealed eventually...

That's a possibility. Put since we as individuals are the temples of God, where would he sit?
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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i think the 'true temple' argument actually works more strongly -against- the view that the man of lawlessness will appear in a physical temple in jerusalem...

we know that a temple is no longer needed...no more animal sacrifices and so on...so could any such temple even be considered a -true- temple at all?

what would make it any more legitimate of a temple than the shrine to jupiter that hadrian built there in AD 136? or the dome of the rock today?
 

john832

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That cannot happen. The true church does not accept him, therefore he cannot sit in their midst.


Those of the falling away are no longer the true church. So it does him no good to sit in their midst.


Since many denominations don't even accept the other as the true church, where will he sit? Rome? The United States?

This can and does happen in the true church. How do you fall away from a false church?
 
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1still_waters

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#25
i would expect the man of lawlessness to 'hide' in the midst of the church before revealing himself...paul writes in second thessalonians that the mystery of lawlessness was already at work in his time and would be revealed eventually...
Some believe we're in the actual last days now.
In the Laodicea age from Rev 3

So if he's in our midst now it begs a question.
Who in the body of Christ is claiming to actually be speaking the very words of God out of their mouths now in our midst?


We know the Pope claims to be the voice of Christ on this Earth.
He's in our midst.

Many in the NAR, charismatic, word of faith, pentecostal movements claim to be uttering the very words of God.
Some of them even declare that they are god.
[video=youtube;_rHvdk_cBzg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rHvdk_cBzg[/video]
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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#26
Some believe we're in the actual last days now.
In the Laodicea age from Rev 3

So if he's in our midst now it begs a question.
Who in the body of Christ is claiming to actually be speaking the very words of God out of their mouths now in our midst?


We know the Pope claims to be the voice of Christ on this Earth.
He's in our midst.

Many in the NAR, charismatic, word of faith, pentecostal movements claim to be uttering the very words of God.
Some of them even declare that they are god.
[video=youtube;_rHvdk_cBzg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rHvdk_cBzg[/video]
the man of lawlessness could be one of those...or he could still be 'hiding' and hasn't revealed himself yet...
 
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1still_waters

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#27
the man of lawlessness could be one of those...or he could still be 'hiding' and hasn't revealed himself yet...
I think if this is still future, then he's probably hiding, but using either the Pope, or other movements that literally are claiming to be speaking as prophets/etc, as his puppets.
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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I think if this is still future, then he's probably hiding, but using either the Pope, or other movements that literally are claiming to be speaking as prophets/etc, as his puppets.
i think that is pretty likely...the 'mystery of lawlessness' was already at work in paul's time and would still be at work today...probably manipulating many people or 'offices' in that direction though there will be only one specific 'man of lawlessness' eventually...
 
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Adinah

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This can and does happen in the true church. How do you fall away from a false church?
That's a very good point. Maybe the church already fell? Hm. Would we recognize it if it had? Nope.
 
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1still_waters

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i think that is pretty likely...the 'mystery of lawlessness' was already at work in paul's time and would still be at work today...probably manipulating many people or 'offices' in that direction though there will be only one specific 'man of lawlessness' eventually...
I should have included the Mormons in there too.
They do declare themselves to literally turn into God.

So the suspects are the pope, the mormons, and movements that claim to be speaking as prophets now. Or maybe all together.
 
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Adinah

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#31
I should have included the Mormons in there too.
They do declare themselves to literally turn into God.

So the suspects are the pope, the mormons, and movements that claim to be speaking as prophets now. Or maybe all together.
It's not like this falling away thing will be obvious to the masses. It's a delusion, remember? There's the key. Are we deluded?
 
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i think that is pretty likely...the 'mystery of lawlessness' was already at work in paul's time and would still be at work today...probably manipulating many people or 'offices' in that direction though there will be only one specific 'man of lawlessness' eventually...
Rach,

Do you think the 'mystery of lawlessness' and 'mystery Babylon' are one and the same?
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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Rach,

Do you think the 'mystery of lawlessness' and 'mystery Babylon' are one and the same?
they are not the same but they are connected...i believe mystery babylon is an apostate church...and the mystery of lawlessness is a spiritual influence working towards the eventual emergence of a single figurehead leader for the apostate church...
 
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they are not the same but they are connected...i believe mystery babylon is an apostate church...and the mystery of lawlessness is a spiritual influence working towards the eventual emergence of a single figurehead leader for the apostate church...
I believe for now they both started with Nimrod. There seems to be two major mysteries in Scripture. One is salvation, which the apostle Paul calls a mystery. The other is mystery Babylon, which started before the flood with Nimrod and has been working in broad daylight as well as behind-the-scenes ever since.
 
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Adinah

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I believe for now they both started with Nimrod. There seems to be two major mysteries in Scripture. One is salvation, which the apostle Paul calls a mystery. The other is mystery Babylon, which started before the flood with Nimrod and has been working in broad daylight as well as behind-the-scenes ever since.
What if the mystery Babylon is the whole of the Christian world today? What if we have so many distorted and misinterpreted doctrines in our churches we hardly even resemble the original church set up by Christ and His disciples? Then mystery Babylon would be us. Would we recognize that? Obviously not. We would be entirely blind to it.
 
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What if the mystery Babylon is the whole of the Christian world today? What if we have so many distorted and misinterpreted doctrines in our churches we hardly even resemble the original church set up by Christ and His disciples? Then mystery Babylon would be us. Would we recognize that? Obviously not. We would be entirely blind to it.
If nobody could feel true conviction from the Holy Spirit, then perhaps you would be right. So much for that...........
 
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1still_waters

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#38
It's not like this falling away thing will be obvious to the masses. It's a delusion, remember? There's the key. Are we deluded?
With entire movements searching for gold dust in services, laughing like hyenas, all the while thinking it's God in their midst, yes I'd say that's quite a delusion.
 
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RecceforChrist

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#39
Re: If a Jerusalem temple is rebuilt, will you see that as a significant sign of the

Good evening brothers and sisters. I believe you all would agree that every single prophesy in The Word must be fullfilled to the letter before Christ can return. That would include this prophesy about a rebuilt temple and the "man of perdtion" aswell. We should look at more than just the New Testament concerning this. The fact that it is planned and all preparations for its construction is complete right now cannot be overlooked. As for a sign for the return of Yeshuah , it certainly is important. He Himself taught that we should look for and at the signs of the times and no matter in what denomination you are , your salvation rests on your personal ecceptance of The Son of God. No other Name but Yeshuah ha Messiach can save your soul. God bless
 
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These people were deluded also, as well as those that are like them:
Revelation 2:1-5 (KJV) [SUP]1 [/SUP]Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks; [SUP]2 [/SUP]I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars: [SUP]3 [/SUP]And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted. [SUP]4 [/SUP]Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. [SUP]5 [/SUP]Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.