If a Jerusalem temple is rebuilt, will you see that as a significant sign of the end?

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If a Jerusalem temple is rebuilt, will you see that as a significant sign of the end?

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Houly

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Jesus Christ could return at any time: maybe today, in ten years, or in ten thousand years.


Most of us believe we will be able to recognize the "season" of His return and of the end of this present "Church Age" or "Age of the Gentiles."


There are currently millions of Israeli Jews making all the preparations to rebuild on the Temple Mount. Their major obstacle is the Dome of Rock, one of the most important sites for Islam, which has been built at the location of the fallen First and Second Temples.


If the Jerusalem temple is rebuilt, animal sacrifices are expected to resume. Unlike the First and Second Temples, this rebuilt Jerusalem temple will NOT be God's true temple. Christians have been blessed with the knowledge that our bodies now compose God's temple and that Jesus Christ sacrificed His body for the redemption of all sin.


Most of us who expect a "great tribulation" period (either 7 years or 3.5 years), expect that a man, the Antichrist, will stand in a temple in Jerusalem and proclaim himself to be God.


So, knowing that it will not be God's true temple, will you consider a rebuilt Jerusalem temple a significant sign that we are in the season of the end?
 

john832

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Jesus Christ could return at any time: maybe today, in ten years, or in ten thousand years.
Christ cannot return for at least 3-1/2 years...

Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
Mat 24:17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
Mat 24:18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
Mat 24:19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Rev 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

The tribulation lasts 3-1/2 years and the two witnesses are in Jerusalem for 3-1/2 years...

Rev 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

Most of us believe we will be able to recognize the "season" of His return and of the end of this present "Church Age" or "Age of the Gentiles."
We all think that but Christ gave some very pointed warnings...

Mat 25:1 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.
Mat 25:2 And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
Mat 25:3 They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:
Mat 25:4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
Mat 25:5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.

Remember this is a continuation of the teachings of the Olivet Prophecy.

Luk 17:26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
Luk 17:27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
Luk 17:28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
Luk 17:29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
Luk 17:30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

There are currently millions of Israeli Jews making all the preparations to rebuild on the Temple Mount. Their major obstacle is the Dome of Rock, one of the most important sites for Islam, which has been built at the location of the fallen First and Second Temples.
There does not HAVE to be a Temple. Notice I did not say there would NOT be a Temple (I expect something to be built) but there does not HAVE to be one...

Remember the story of David when he numbered Israel? The death angel had killed 70,000 and was standing ready to destroy Jerusalem...

1Ch 21:16 And David lifted up his eyes, and saw the angel of the LORD stand between the earth and the heaven, having a drawn sword in his hand stretched out over Jerusalem. Then David and the elders of Israel, who were clothed in sackcloth, fell upon their faces.

David bought the threshing floor of Ornan at full price, built an altar of stones and then this happened...

1Ch 21:26 And David built there an altar unto the LORD, and offered burnt offerings and peace offerings, and called upon the LORD; and he answered him from heaven by fire upon the altar of burnt offering.

Now David says something very interesting...

1Ch 22:1 Then David said, This is the house of the LORD God, and this is the altar of the burnt offering for Israel.

And the first stone had not been laid yet. Does there have to be a Temple built? Past history indicates it does not.


If the Jerusalem temple is rebuilt, animal sacrifices are expected to resume. Unlike the First and Second Temples, this rebuilt Jerusalem temple will NOT be God's true temple. Christians have been blessed with the knowledge that our bodies now compose God's temple and that Jesus Christ sacrificed His body for the redemption of all sin.
Yes and no, the Old Covenant has not completely passed away...

Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Is there a difference between being ready to eat dinner and have already eaten? You bet. Judah is blind and cannot enter the New Covenant yet...

Rom 11:8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.

God has blinded them...

Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

They will turn to God in the only way they know how.

Most of us who expect a "great tribulation" period (either 7 years or 3.5 years), expect that a man, the Antichrist, will stand in a temple in Jerusalem and proclaim himself to be God.
Will he, or will this antichrist, more correctly the man of sin, do this from a church?

2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

This falling away is not from Judaism, it is from the church...

Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
Rev 13:12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
Rev 13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
Rev 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

It might pay us to be on the lookout for a wonder working, miracle producing, fire calling down from heaven religious figure who is the head of a great universal church.

So, knowing that it will not be God's true temple, will you consider a rebuilt Jerusalem temple a significant sign that we are in the season of the end?
Rather, maybe we should look for this...

Dan 8:10 And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.
Dan 8:11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.
Dan 8:12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.
Dan 8:13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?
Dan 8:14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

Dan 8:19 And he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the last end of the indignation: for at the time appointed the end shall be.

Dan 8:25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.
Dan 8:26 And the vision of the evening and the morning which was told is true: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it shall be for many days.
 

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Re: If a Jerusalem temple is rebuilt, will you see that as a significant sign of the

Jesus Christ could return at any time: maybe today, in ten years, or in ten thousand years.
I agree.


Most of us believe we will be able to recognize the "season" of His return and of the end of this present "Church Age" or "Age of the Gentiles."
Most if not all generations after Christ thought this.


There are currently millions of Israeli Jews making all the preparations to rebuild on the Temple Mount. Their major obstacle is the Dome of Rock, one of the most important sites for Islam, which has been built at the location of the fallen First and Second Temples.
WWIII break out, who will run to the aid of Israel? Not Russia, Not China, US? <---is becoming a Joke! Some say God will come to aid Israel, So is God going to change the current temple (the church) to one of a physical stature? This is true replacement theology. I doubt it very highly. I find it blasphemous to even think it, it tramples on the blood of Christ. Some say God will change the hearts to the Israelis, if so then there is no need for a rebuild physical temple.


If the Jerusalem temple is rebuilt, animal sacrifices are expected to resume. Unlike the First and Second Temples, this rebuilt Jerusalem temple will NOT be God's true temple. Christians have been blessed with the knowledge that our bodies now compose God's temple and that Jesus Christ sacrificed His body for the redemption of all sin.
True, I'm glad you realize this. God's kingdom is no longer Earthly, but spiritual and comprises of all who believe in Christ. Jesus had His chance for an Earthly seat to rule, but rejected it (John 18:36 and John 6:15). We are in Christ's kingdom of heaven now (those who belong to Him), and Christ clear taught when He comes back the 2nd time that He (Christ) will hand it back over to the Father (1 Corinthians 15:24)


Most of us who expect a "great tribulation" period (either 7 years or 3.5 years), expect that a man, the Antichrist, will stand in a temple in Jerusalem and proclaim himself to be God.
The great tribulation in my understanding was the time of the birth of the Church in Christ, 1st century Christians. But from beginning of time we had a general tribulation, for Satan and the world have always be set against God. The biblical definition of antichrist is found in John 4:3, 1 John 2:22, 2 John 1:7, which can be any individual or institution who blatantly denies Christ. Therefore a Hebrew priest or anyone who offers a blood sacrifice on the alter of the temple or a temple is denying the true sacrificial lamb of God. This certain happened between the time of Christ's death and 70AD.


So, knowing that it will not be God's true temple, will you consider a rebuilt Jerusalem temple a significant sign that we are in the season of the end?
I see it as a sign of war, not His 2nd coming or some sort of secret coming. I see it as a distraction. Although, I love my dispensational brothers and sisters, I think they are wrong and deceived in this area of eschatology. We should not hold Jerusalem up or a physical temple, but direct our attention to the whole world for that is what Christ command us to do (Matthew 28:18-20, [SUP]18 [/SUP]And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. [SUP]19 [/SUP]Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, [SUP]20 [/SUP]teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” <----[ONE AGE] Amen. and Acts 1: 7-10, [SUP]7 [/SUP]And He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has put in His own authority. [SUP]8 [/SUP]But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me[SUP][/SUP] in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth).

 
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John832,
So what year was the start of the 2300 days?
 
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john832

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John832,
So what year was the start of the 2300 days?
Actually, 2300 evenings and mornings. 1150 days. Has not started yet, sacrifices must be started again and then be stopped.
 
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Actually, 2300 evenings and mornings. 1150 days. Has not started yet, sacrifices must be started again and then be stopped.
A day is not a day without the evening included in it so we are back to 2300 days thankyou.

You are making it sound like this comparison: 1volt times 1 amp equals 1 watt but you are saying 1/2volt times 1/2amp equals 1watt and it don't work that way believe me.
 

john832

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A day is not a day without the evening included in it so we are back to 2300 days thankyou.

You are making it sound like this comparison: 1volt times 1 amp equals 1 watt but you are saying 1/2volt times 1/2amp equals 1watt and it don't work that way believe me.
Good logic, the only problem is the type is found here...

Dan 11:31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

this was fulfilled in type by Antiochus IV Epiphanes when he descrated the Temple and made it desolate of God's presence by erecting the statue of Jupiter Olympus and sacrificing swine on the altar in 168 BC

The desolation lasted until Judah (the hammer) Maccabees cleansed the Temple in 165 BC. 1150 days later.

This was the type, why would we believe the anti-type would be a different period of time? Shocking isn't it?

(By the way, .5 Volts * .5 Amps = .25 Watts)
 
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If I see the temple rebuilt then I have already missed the rapture - so, yes
 
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There are two signs we are to watch for. One is the Jews return to the Holy Land, and in 1948 that was established and another is that all man be given the opportunity to hear the gospel.

Every prophecy that God has given that has come about had God fulfilling the prophecy in a different way than the bible scholars said it was to be. They were given that prophecy in order to prepare themselves for what was to happen. Much of what God tells us about this coming event is done with the physical being a symbol of the spiritual of the event. So I think that when we say the prophecy says this physical thing is to happen, we are giving our understanding too much credit.

What we need to ask instead is what does God ask me to do now that I see what God predicted happening.

I put in a long post of what I think God wants us to do about it.
 
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There are two signs we are to watch for. One is the Jews return to the Holy Land, and in 1948 that was established and another is that all man be given the opportunity to hear the gospel.

Every prophecy that God has given that has come about had God fulfilling the prophecy in a different way than the bible scholars said it was to be. They were given that prophecy in order to prepare themselves for what was to happen. Much of what God tells us about this coming event is done with the physical being a symbol of the spiritual of the event. So I think that when we say the prophecy says this physical thing is to happen, we are giving our understanding too much credit.

What we need to ask instead is what does God ask me to do now that I see what God predicted happening.

I put in a long post of what I think God wants us to do about it.
Those people in Israel today are not the people of the bible, they themselves are gentiles who set themselves as Jews and that's why Christ says "jeruselem shall be trodded down of the gentiles until the fullness of the gentiles" and he called them synagogues of satan. There was nothing prophetic about them going into Israel in 1948, when the real people of the bible go back to Israel Christ will be with them and ALL 12 TRIBES will be restored and there will be no more war and violence on earth. THUS SAYS THE GOD OF ISRAEL
 
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no because i don't believe the bible says anything about the building of one more temple...
 
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Re: If a Jerusalem temple is rebuilt, will you see that as a significant sign of the

Jesus Christ could return at any time: maybe today, in ten years, or in ten thousand years.


Most of us believe we will be able to recognize the "season" of His return and of the end of this present "Church Age" or "Age of the Gentiles."


There are currently millions of Israeli Jews making all the preparations to rebuild on the Temple Mount. Their major obstacle is the Dome of Rock, one of the most important sites for Islam, which has been built at the location of the fallen First and Second Temples.


If the Jerusalem temple is rebuilt, animal sacrifices are expected to resume. Unlike the First and Second Temples, this rebuilt Jerusalem temple will NOT be God's true temple. Christians have been blessed with the knowledge that our bodies now compose God's temple and that Jesus Christ sacrificed His body for the redemption of all sin.


Most of us who expect a "great tribulation" period (either 7 years or 3.5 years), expect that a man, the Antichrist, will stand in a temple in Jerusalem and proclaim himself to be God.


So, knowing that it will not be God's true temple, will you consider a rebuilt Jerusalem temple a significant sign that we are in the season of the end?
WHEN YOU SEE THE TEMPLE BACK ON THE HOLY MOUNT... THE RAPTURE IS DONE AND GONE...

AND THUS BEGINS THE GREAT TRIBULATION FOR 3 1/2 YERS...
 
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The only way the temple will be rebuilt on the temple mount is if there is a peace between the children of Israel and the children of Ishmael. This peace is a sign of the end times.
 
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no because i don't believe the bible says anything about the building of one more temple...
The Temple Rebuilt...
Jesus also foretold the coming of the Third Temple, after the destruction by the Romans in A.D. 70. In Matthew 24:2, Jesus told the disciples after they commented about the beauty of the Temple, that not one stone would be left upon another. This was fulfilled in A.D. 70, by the Romans under Titus. Later Jesus refers to the time of the end, when the Third Temple would be defiled, causing the abomination of desolation.
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Matthew 24:14-15...
14[/SUP]“And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.
[SUP]15[/SUP]“Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand),

The abomination of desolation is referred to three times in the book of Daniel, (Daniel 9:27,11;31, 12:11). Each mention refers to the Temple being defiled.

Paul also notes the need for a Third Temple and the role the Temple will play. The anti-Christ will enter the Temple and proclaim himself to be God. This is consistent with the words of Jesus and Daniel about the role this Temple will play.
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2 Thessalonians 2:3-4...
3 [/SUP]Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,
[SUP]4 [/SUP]who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

HERE ARE A FEW VERSES STATING THAT THERE WILL BE A TEMPLE REBUILT AND IT CAN ONLY BE REBUILT ON THE HOLY MOUNT...
 
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The Temple Rebuilt...
Jesus also foretold the coming of the Third Temple, after the destruction by the Romans in A.D. 70. In Matthew 24:2, Jesus told the disciples after they commented about the beauty of the Temple, that not one stone would be left upon another. This was fulfilled in A.D. 70, by the Romans under Titus. Later Jesus refers to the time of the end, when the Third Temple would be defiled, causing the abomination of desolation.
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Matthew 24:14-15...
14[/SUP]“And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.
[SUP]15[/SUP]“Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand),

The abomination of desolation is referred to three times in the book of Daniel, (Daniel 9:27,11;31, 12:11). Each mention refers to the Temple being defiled.

Paul also notes the need for a Third Temple and the role the Temple will play. The anti-Christ will enter the Temple and proclaim himself to be God. This is consistent with the words of Jesus and Daniel about the role this Temple will play.
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2 Thessalonians 2:3-4...
3 [/SUP]Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,
[SUP]4 [/SUP]who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

HERE ARE A FEW VERSES STATING THAT THERE WILL BE A TEMPLE REBUILT AND IT CAN ONLY BE REBUILT ON THE HOLY MOUNT...
i believe that was jesus was talking about in matthew happened already...and i don't believe paul was talking about a physical temple...
 
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i believe that was jesus was talking about in matthew happened already...and i don't believe paul was talking about a physical temple...
then what temple will the antichrist ENTER and declare himself GOD to the world... and please explain why Paul says that the antichrist will sit in the TEMPLE OF GOD...

for throughout history is there ONLY ONE PLACE known as the HOUSE OF GOD/ TEMPLE OF GOD... and that is the jewish temple... that even Ezekiel speaks of... as well as Hosea... GOD'S HOLY WORD IS PERFECT and shall pass as such for it must be this way for it is a sign to ALL CHRISTIANS... a timeline/timepiece if you will...
 
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then what temple will the antichrist ENTER and declare himself GOD to the world... and please explain why Paul says that the antichrist will sit in the TEMPLE OF GOD...

for throughout history is there ONLY ONE PLACE known as the HOUSE OF GOD/ TEMPLE OF GOD... and that is the jewish temple... that even Ezekiel speaks of... as well as Hosea... GOD'S HOLY WORD IS PERFECT and shall pass as such for it must be this way for it is a sign to ALL CHRISTIANS... a timeline/timepiece if you will...
jesus referred to his body as a temple...and the church is called the body of christ...so the man of lawlessness will appear in the church...
 
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jesus referred to his body as a temple...and the church is called the body of christ...so the man of lawlessness will appear in the church...
That cannot happen. The true church does not accept him, therefore he cannot sit in their midst.


Those of the falling away are no longer the true church. So it does him no good to sit in their midst.


Since many denominations don't even accept the other as the true church, where will he sit? Rome? The United States?

 
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That cannot happen. The true church does not accept him, therefore he cannot sit in their midst.


Those of the falling away are no longer the true church. So it does him no good to sit in their midst.


Since many denominations don't even accept the other as the true church, where will he sit? Rome? The United States?

when talking about antichrists john writes this...

1 john 2:19..."They went out from us, but they were not really of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but they went out, so that it would be shown that they all are not of us."

for an antichrist to have 'gone out' from the church means that they were originally 'in the midst' of the church...though not actually -of- the true church as john points out...

i would expect the man of lawlessness to 'hide' in the midst of the church before revealing himself...paul writes in second thessalonians that the mystery of lawlessness was already at work in his time and would be revealed eventually...