WHO IS ESAU TODAY AND WHY DOES GOD HATE HIM.

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Romans 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
Genesis 36:9And these are the generations of Esau the father of the Edomites in mount Seir:

We understand that Jacob is the nation of Israel; but who is Esau? and Esau is a whole nation of people who are living on earth today, how do we know this? lets go into the bible and find out.

2 Esdras 6:9 For Esau is the end of the world, and Jacob is the beginning of it that followeth:

So one has to wonder, who are these people today, why does god hate them and why are our education systems and churches not teaching us about who these people are?
 
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yahuadah said:
Romans 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
Genesis 36:9And these are the generations of Esau the father of the Edomites in mount Seir:

We understand that Jacob is the nation of Israel; but who is Esau? and Esau is a whole nation of people who are living on earth today, how do we know this? lets go into the bible and find out.

2 Esdras 6:9 For Esau is the end of the world, and Jacob is the beginning of it that followeth:

So one has to wonder, who are these people today, why does god hate them and why are our education systems and churches not teaching us about who these people are?
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because the true christian church doesn't teach racism like your black israel cult does...that's why...
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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yahuadah said:
Those words I posted were gods words not mine, are you calling GOD A RACIST?
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no i am calling -you- and your godless scripture twisting -cult- racist...
 
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GreatisHisGlory

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RachelBibleStudent said:
no i am calling -you- and your godless scripture twisting -cult- racist...
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Rachel but think about it, if one was to bring up the Philistines and their evil, would it be racist? If one was to bring up the Babylonians and their evil, would it be racist? Why should Esau/Edom be even different? I think people think of Esau nowadays because, the scriptures heavily point to him being around in the end times and we seem to be in that time.
 
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GreatisHisGlory said:
Rachel but think about it, if one was to bring up the Philistines and their evil, would it be racist? If one was to bring up the Babylonians and their evil, would it be racist? Why should Esau/Edom be even different? I think people think of Esau nowadays because, the scriptures heavily point to him being around in the end times and we seem to be in that time.
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People cant handle the truth because all they been taught was love love love and they never go into the bible themselves and read it. If we are made in gods image of course he can hate and get jelouse like we do. the most high says I am a man of war.
If the most high destroyed the Egyptians, Babylonians, Sodom and gommorah what do you think hes going to do to this sinful earth??????
 
phil36

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Its not even Christian.... its racial nonsense! quite disgusting really.
 
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yahuadah said:
People cant handle the truth because all they been taught was love love love and they never go into the bible themselves and read it. If we are made in gods image of course he can hate and get jelouse like we do. the most high says I am a man of war.
If the most high destroyed the Egyptians, Babylonians, Sodom and gommorah what do you think hes going to do to this sinful earth??????
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The truth is that color has NOTHING to do with it, and I am black!

If true Israel is not one of the flesh, but those who are circumcised in their hearts, then that goes the same for true Edom as well. What that is saying regardless of color, you judge one by its fruit. Spiritual Edom consists of as many races spiritually as Israel does.
 
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Nope, and Ill say the same as above... its you!
 
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SpiritofFire said:
The truth is that color has NOTHING to do with it, and I am black!

If true Israel is not one of the flesh, but those who are circumcised in their hearts, then that goes the same for true Edom as well. What that is saying regardless of color, you judge one by its fruit. Spiritual Edom consists of as many races spiritually as Israel does.
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If color doesn't matter then why did they paint Christ as a white person when the scriptures clearly say he was a man of color?
 
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yahuadah said:
Romans 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
Genesis 36:9And these are the generations of Esau the father of the Edomites in mount Seir:


We understand that Jacob is the nation of Israel; but who is Esau? and Esau is a whole nation of people who are living on earth today, how do we know this? lets go into the bible and find out.


2 Esdras 6:9 For Esau is the end of the world, and Jacob is the beginning of it that followeth:


So one has to wonder, who are these people today, why does god hate them and why are our education systems and churches not teaching us about who these people are?
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yahuadah said:
Those words I posted were gods words not mine, are you calling GOD A RACIST?
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This is the Bible Discussion Forum, 2 Esdras is not in the Bible.
 
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GreatisHisGlory said:
Rachel but think about it, if one was to bring up the Philistines and their evil, would it be racist? If one was to bring up the Babylonians and their evil, would it be racist? Why should Esau/Edom be even different? I think people think of Esau nowadays because, the scriptures heavily point to him being around in the end times and we seem to be in that time.
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it is racist to claim that a modern race are 'descendants of edom' and use that to claim that a modern race is hated by God just because of their race and to use that as an excuse for preaching hate against them...

and i notice again that you avoid saying -who- you think these modern 'descendants of esau' are...is it because you know if you get too specific in your hate preaching then you will be banned?
 
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GreatisHisGlory

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RachelBibleStudent said:
it is racist to claim that a modern race are 'descendants of edom' and use that to claim that a modern race is hated by God just because of their race and to use that as an excuse for preaching hate against them...

and i notice again that you avoid saying -who- you think these modern 'descendants of esau' are...is it because you know if you get too specific in your hate preaching then you will be banned?
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Why would it be racist to call a nation of today Edom? Is it racist to call someone by their nationality? Would I be racist for calling an Ethiopian an Ethiopian, because they were cruel towards Israel etc, etc? God did not hate Esau cause of his nationality, Esau seems to have been created for a purpose. Romans 9:14 "What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid." I told you according to documents Magdiel and Iram were the fathers of Rome, chief sons of Esau. you notice that the myth of Romulus and Remus seem similar to that of Magdiel and Iram? The myth involves "two" brothers founding Rome. The account of Romulus and Remus is false but Magdiel and Iram is true. I guess the myth came about from Magdiel and Iram brute nature, which was later evident in the Roman empire.The information I gather is from the Bible and concrete websites, I am not just making up things in my head.

"Duke Magdiel, Duke Iram,.... Magdiel also, Jerom (w) says, was in the country of Gabalena, formerly possessed by the dukes of Edom; and the Targum of Jonathan says, this duke was called Magdiel from the name of his city, which was a strong "migdal" or tower: and Jarchi's note upon this word is, this is Rome; so the Jewish writers elsewhere say (x), that Esau had an hundred provinces from Seir to Magdiel; as it is said, "Duke Magdiel, Duke Iram", this is Rome:"

Genesis 36:43 Bible Commentary

I even posted the exact link where I got this from which is right above, I guess the site is racist? I mean we can boycott the site if you want. None of what I say, is from my own heart and mind, I post facts from the Bible and concrete websites.
 
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GreatisHisGlory said:
Why would it be racist to call a nation of today Edom? Is it racist to call someone by their nationality? Would I be racist for calling an Ethiopian an Ethiopian, because they were cruel towards Israel etc, etc? God did not hate Esau cause of his nationality, Esau seems to have been created for a purpose. Romans 9:14 "What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid." I told you according to documents Magdiel and Iram were the fathers of Rome, chief sons of Esau. you notice that the myth of Romulus and Remus seem similar to that of Magdiel and Iram? The myth involves "two" brothers founding Rome. The account of Romulus and Remus is false but Magdiel and Iram is true. I guess the myth came about from Magdiel and Iram brute nature, which was later evident in the Roman empire.The information I gather is from the Bible and concrete websites, I am not just making up things in my head.

"Duke Magdiel, Duke Iram,.... Magdiel also, Jerom (w) says, was in the country of Gabalena, formerly possessed by the dukes of Edom; and the Targum of Jonathan says, this duke was called Magdiel from the name of his city, which was a strong "migdal" or tower: and Jarchi's note upon this word is, this is Rome; so the Jewish writers elsewhere say (x), that Esau had an hundred provinces from Seir to Magdiel; as it is said, "Duke Magdiel, Duke Iram", this is Rome:"

Genesis 36:43 Bible Commentary

I even posted the exact link where I got this from which is right above, I guess the site is racist? I mean we can boycott the site if you want. None of what I say, is from my own heart and mind, I post facts from the Bible and concrete websites.
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first of all there is absolutely no evidence to identify any modern nation with ancient edom...absolutely none...

there is absolutely no evidence suggesting that edom's sons magdiel and iram were the founders of rome...neither biblical evidence nor historical evidence...your claim is based solely on one or two old rabbinic commentaries...

so what you have done is obvious...you have hatred in your heart towards a particular race...and you are desperately trying to identify that race with a 'hated nation' from the bible in order to justify your bigotry...

and as always you are still too -cowardly- to openly say who you believe these 'modern edomites' are...knowing that once you put a name on them you will be banned for open racism...
 
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RachelBibleStudent said:
there is absolutely no evidence suggesting that edom's sons magdiel and iram were the founders of rome...neither biblical evidence nor historical evidence...your claim is based solely on one or two old rabbinic commentaries...
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Hey everyone let us throw away our "old History" books, any information that is not from 2012-2013 will not be tolerated! All history books that is not from 2012-2013 must be disposed of!
 
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Jacob is the man , God named him Israel. The Israelites are children of Israel so , they are not Jacob. They are his ancestors. Who is Esau today ? He is a dead dude.
 
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Hebrews 12:16 Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright.

On a 'typology' plane, they would represent one who values the things of this world over the things of God... i.e. profane.
 
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