Worried...Blasphemey against the holy spirt?

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Jessizzie18

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is it bad confessing everytime i had a blasphemous thought against the holy spirt bad? like i would always run to my mom and tell her mom i said THE HS is the De*** evrytime i had a bad thought is that still a sin? ive been worryin about that. :| like Mark Chapter 3 verse 20 to 31 says..
 

phil36

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I can't see how someone saved would want to say the Holy Spirit the devil?
 
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djness

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Anytime you are living in sin you are susceptible to these thoughts. I had them quite frequently for a long time. You cannot persist in sin and expect that you won't be attacked.I found that after getting into the bible more frequently, as in daily, not once a month, anything having to do with this sort of mental attack subsided.
 

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if you know Jesus is the Christ, I AM.....you have not committed the unpardonable sin.

THE UNPARDONABLE SIN:

The Talmud (Babylonian edition) records other sins of "Jesus the Nazarene":

He and his disciples practiced sorcery and black magic, led Jews astray into idolatry, and were sponsored by foreign, gentile powers for the purpose of subverting Jewish worship (Sanhedrin 43a).

He was sexually immoral, worshipped statues of stone (a brick is mentioned), was cut off from the Jewish people for his wickedness, and refused to repent (Sanhedrin 107b; Sotah 47a).

He learned witchcraft in Egypt and, to perform miracles, used procedures that involved cutting his flesh—which is also explicitly banned in the Bible (Shabbos 104b).

Who Was Jesus?



NEXT:confused:
 
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Ariel82

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i think every time you have an evil thought, instead of just running to mom, run to Jesus and pray. Read your Bible and ask God to give you wisdom and strength.

Maybe your mom could say a prayer with you?

2 Timothy 1:7
For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind.
 

crossnote

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is it bad confessing everytime i had a blasphemous thought against the holy spirt bad? like i would always run to my mom and tell her mom i said THE HS is the De*** evrytime i had a bad thought is that still a sin? ive been worryin about that. :| like Mark Chapter 3 verse 20 to 31 says..
The Scribes proclaimed 'he has a devil' (thus insinuating the Holy Spirit was a devil) with hatred/animosity towards Jesus; is that your case? It doesn't seem like it or you you wouldn't be fretting.
 
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josh123

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i'm actually wondering the same thing... what's with the blasphemy thoughts i mean i know better but i can hear the thought in my head someone help me with this please
 
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Jessizzie18

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@josh123 is probably ocd when u see something that scares u you cant stop thinking about it the more u dont wanna think about it the more u do.
 

ForthAngel

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Scrupulosity is a psychological disorder characterized by pathological guilt about moral or religious issues. It is personally distressing, objectively dysfunctional, and often accompanied by significant impairment in social functioning.[SUP][1][/SUP] It is typically conceptualized as a moral or religious form of obsessive–compulsive disorder (OCD),[SUP][2][/SUP] although this categorization is empirically disputable.[SUP][1][/SUP]
The term is derived from the Latin scrupulum, a sharp stone, implying a stabbing pain on the conscience.[SUP][1][/SUP] Scrupulosity was formerly called scruples in religious contexts, but the word scruples now commonly refers to a troubling of the conscience rather than to the disorder.
As a personality trait, scrupulosity is a recognized diagnostic criterion for obsessive–compulsive personality disorder.[SUP][3][/SUP] It is sometimes called "scrupulousness," but that word properly applies to the positive trait of having scruples.

In scrupulosity, a person's obsessions focus on moral or religious fears, such as the fear of being an evil person or the fear of divine retribution for sin. Although it can affect nonreligious people, it is usually related to religious beliefs. In the strict sense, not all obsessive–compulsive behaviors related to religion are instances of scrupulosity: strictly speaking, for example, scrupulosity is not present in people who repeat religious requirements merely to be sure that they were done properly.[SUP][15]

Source: [/SUP]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrupulosity


Intrusive thoughts are unwelcome involuntary thoughts, images, or unpleasant ideas that may become obsessions, are upsetting or distressing, and can be difficult to manage or eliminate.[SUP][1][/SUP] When they are associated with obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD), depression, body dysmorphic disorder (BDD), and sometimes attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), the thoughts may become paralyzing, anxiety-provoking, or persistent. Intrusive thoughts may also be associated with episodic memory, unwanted worries or memories from OCD,[SUP][2][/SUP] posttraumatic stress disorder, other anxiety disorders, eating disorders, or psychosis.[SUP][3][/SUP] Intrusive thoughts, urges, and images are of inappropriate things at inappropriate times, and they can be divided into three categories: "inappropriate aggressive thoughts, inappropriate sexual thoughts, or blasphemous religious thoughts".[SUP][4][/SUP]

[h=3]Blasphemous religious thoughts[/h] See also: Scrupulosity
Blasphemous thoughts are a common component of OCD, documented throughout history; notable religious figures such as Martin Luther and St. Ignatius were known to be tormented by intrusive, blasphemous or religious thoughts and urges.[SUP][20][/SUP] Martin Luther had urges to curse God and Jesus, and was obsessed with images of "the Devil's behind".[SUP][20][/SUP][SUP][21][/SUP] St. Ignatius had numerous obsessions, including the fear of stepping on pieces of straw forming a cross, fearing that it showed disrespect to Christ.[SUP][20][/SUP][SUP][22][/SUP] A study of 50 patients with a primary diagnosis of obsessive-compulsive disorder found that 40% had religious and blasphemous thoughts and doubts—a higher, but not statistically significantly different number than the 38% who had the obsessional thoughts related to dirt and contamination more commonly associated with OCD.[SUP][23][/SUP] One study suggests that content of intrusive thoughts may vary depending on culture, and that blasphemous thoughts may be more common in men than in women.[SUP][24][/SUP]
According to Fred Penzel, a New York psychologist, some common religious obsessions and intrusive thoughts are:[SUP][13][/SUP]

  • sexual thoughts about God, saints, and religious figures
  • bad thoughts or images during prayer or meditation
  • thoughts of being possessed
  • fears of sinning or breaking a religious law or performing a ritual incorrectly
  • fears of omitting prayers or reciting them incorrectly
  • repetitive and intrusive blasphemous thoughts
  • urges or impulses to say blasphemous words or commit blasphemous acts during religious services.
Suffering can be greater and treatment complicated when intrusive thoughts involve religious implications;[SUP][20][/SUP] patients may believe the thoughts are inspired by Satan,[SUP][25][/SUP] and may fear punishment from God or have magnified shame because they perceive themselves as sinful.[SUP][26][/SUP] Symptoms can be more distressful for sufferers with strong religious convictions or beliefs.[SUP][13][/SUP]
Baer believes that blasphemous thoughts are more common in Catholics and evangelical Protestants than in other religions, whereas Jews or Muslims tend to have obsessions related more to complying with the laws and rituals of their faith, and performing the rituals perfectly.[SUP][27][/SUP] He hypothesizes that this is because what is considered inappropriate varies among cultures and religions, and intrusive thoughts torment their sufferers with whatever is considered most inappropriate in the surrounding culture.[SUP][28][/SUP]

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Source: [/SUP]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intrusive_thoughts


Ignore them, keep reading your bible, praying, witnessing, and fellowshipping and they will lose their power. Stop filling your head with media such as movies, tvs, secular music, video games, religious conspiracy theories, etc etc. They severely complicate the problem. Entertaining the thoughts reinforces them. This includes negatively distressing over them. Ignore them completely and move on.

You have to fill your head with the things of God, and sacrifice the other junk that is unimportant.
 
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josh123

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it's scary though.. blasphemy is an unforgivable sin but i hear it in my head... actually had me worried today i'm kinda still worried too...
 
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Ariel82

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I often think that Satan or his minions whisper thoughts in our heads, but we don't have to claim them as our own. or even if our flesh whispers temptation to sin against God, we do NOT have to give in.

God told us that whenever we are tempted to RESIST and the devil will flee.

too often people don't see that the battlefield is the mind and the hearts of God's people: to see if they can dim the light God wants us to shine before the world or pollute the waters/ words we speak to remind others of the source of living Waters: Christ Jesus.

[h=3]2 Corinthians 10:3-5
[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

[SUP]3 [/SUP]For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh. [SUP]4 [/SUP]For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, [SUP]5 [/SUP]casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ,


 
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Ariel82

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some people need to be reminded of the weapons God equipped us with. first and foremost is His Word.

[h=3]Ephesians 6:13-18[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

[SUP]13 [/SUP]Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Stand therefore, having girded your waist with truth, having put on the breastplate of righteousness, [SUP]15 [/SUP]and having shod your feet with the preparation of the gospel of peace; [SUP]16 [/SUP]above all, taking the shield of faith with which you will be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked one. [SUP]17 [/SUP]And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God; [SUP]18 [/SUP]praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, being watchful to this end with all perseverance and supplication for all the saints—
 
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cfultz3

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Discernment of spirits begins with a knowledge of Scripture. Jesus said to Satan, "it is said...". When thoughts are presented which opposes the Scriptures, we, as our Teacher did, are to say, "get behind me Satan". We battle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities in high places.
 
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Ariel82

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The whole armor of God is:

Truth (around your waist)
Righteousness (not your own but Christ to guard your heart)
Gospel of Peace (upon your feet)
Faith (as your shield to fend off the attacks of Satan who would have you doubt God's great love for YOU)
Salvation (upon your head)
The Word of God, His Holy Spirit (who is your sword)

and prayer and perseverance.
 

crossnote

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The whole armor of God is:

Truth (around your waist)
Righteousness (not your own but Christ to guard your heart)
Gospel of Peace (upon your feet)
Faith (as your shield to fend off the attacks of Satan who would have you doubt God's great love for YOU)
Salvation (upon your head)
The Word of God, His Holy Spirit (who is your sword)

and prayer and perseverance.
I was just about to post that when I read yours. Oh well here it is in full..

Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God: Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;
(Eph 6:10-18)
 
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Jessizzie18

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I can't see how someone saved would want to say the Holy Spirit the devil?


So you think its bad confessing those things to someone???
 

presidente

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So you think its bad confessing those things to someone???
Do you mean saying it to curse and denounce the Holy Spirit, or confessing as sin that you thought those things?
 
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woka

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Josh the Lord knows your heart my friend, there is no condemnation for those who are in Chrsit. When I have found in the past that my head goes to a place over and over, I always make it about the Lord. What I mean by this on a practical level is"

I immediately pray in my mind, I tell the Lord Jesus what I know to be true, You Lord are my saviour, You died for me, I love you Lord Jesus, and I just concentrate on talking to Him.

The mind is a complex thing, but you will notice that we never come to salvation through our mind, but with our heart's that is the most important.
So the Lord knew we would have these challenges, instead of focusing on the bad try replacing them with positive thoughts of the Lord. It is a renewing and transformation of the mind that the Lord speaks of, and of course reading the Word. But if you find this difficult because as I said there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ, just spend time talking to the Lord at first, and ask for the desire to be put in your heart to read the Word.
 

presidente

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I believe blaspheming the Holy Spirit refers to blaspheming the Holy Spirit. Some people disagree. I am surprised no on this thread has stated a case opposing that idea. One of the Gospels says 'speaks a word against him' so if you don't know what blasphemy means and you don't have a dictionary, you can still figure out that it has to do with 'speaking against' from context clues.

I do not believe having a blasphemous thought cross your mind is what Jesus was talking about. His opponents were actually saying that the Spirit by which He cast out devils was an unclean spirit or Beelzebub.

If you do have problems with blasphemous thoughts or any other kinds of thoughts that aren't right, you need to learn to take every thought captive to the obedience of Christ. Fill your mind with the word of God, and if you think bad thoughts, pray, and focus your mind on the LORD.

Isaiah 26:3
You keep him in perfect peace whose mind is stayed on you, because he trusts in you.
(ESV)

Resist the Devil and He will flee from you.

If you suspect you are under a demonic attack, quote scripture back out loud. That's what Jesus did. Memorize some scriptures that relate to your problem. The Psalms say "Thy word have I hid in my heart that I might not sin against thee."
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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if you feel bad about about it then you have not really blasphemed the holy spirit...

the holy spirit is the one who works in our hearts to produce repentance...so if you are still capable of repentance then the holy spirit has not left you...

when you don't feel bad about it at all is when i would start to worry...