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    Default Antinomianism

    With a lot of talk about law and gospel can you see your view in the list below?

    One of the best summaries of the different varities of antinomianism is offered by J. I. Packer in his Concise Theology (Tyndale House, 2001), pages 178-80:
    (1) “Dualistic Antinomainism,” associated with Gnosticism, which treats the body (and its actions) as insignificant;

    (2) “Spirit-centered Antinomianism,” which views the inner promptings of the Spirit as sufficient apart from the external Word;

    (3) “Christ-centered Antinomianism,” which “argues that God sees no sin in believers, because they are in Christ, who kept the law for them, and therefore what they actually do makes no difference, provided that they keep believing”;

    (4) “Dispensational Antinomianism,” which denies that in the “church age” believers are obligated to the moral law;

    (5) “Situationist Antinomianism,” which teaches that love is the only rule and that duties (not just their application) will therefore vary according to circumstance.

    - See more at: Holiness Wars: What Is Antinomianism? - White Horse Inn Blog
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    I think Christ-centered antinomianism is the most common, and it's in opposition to God's omniscience.
    "The eyes of the LORD are in every place, beholding the evil and the good" (Proverbs 15:3 ).
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    the third one and the fifth one are true to a degree...

    in fact the third one as described in the original post actually says exactly what scripture says...

    this belief is not the problem because the belief is scriptural...the problem is a lack of balance...the fact that our works make no difference in our salvation should not be taken as an allowance to live as if we don't care...
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    1. obviously in left field.
    2. Disregards the Word.
    3.Disregards the role of the Holy Spirit in actively conforming us to His image.
    4. A Scofield blunder.
    5. Highly prevalent on CC and seems to be used as a tool to shut down discussions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phil36 View Post
    One of the best summaries of the different varities of antinomianism is offered by J. I. Packer in his Concise Theology (Tyndale House, 2001), pages 178-80:
    I'd rather put my trust in what God says in His word rather than what J.I Packer says.

    Ps 118:8
    It is better to trust in the Lord Than to put confidence in man.
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    i believe God- simple as that
    When asked which is the greatest commandment, Jesus replied,

    "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it. Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets." [Matt22:37-40]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Powemm View Post
    i believe God- simple as that
    I believe God, yes. But I don't believe being saved frees us from keeping any moral laws. That would have to mean we can freely murder, pillage, rape, steal, commit adultery, worship false gods now? Something about that sounds wrong....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adinah View Post
    I believe God, yes. But I don't believe being saved frees us from keeping any moral laws. That would have to mean we can freely murder, pillage, rape, steal, commit adultery, worship false gods now? Something about that sounds wrong....
    "What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase? May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it? Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death?

    Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life.

    For if we have become united with
    Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection, knowing this, that our old self was crucified with Him, in order that our body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin; for he who has died is freed from sin". Romans 6:1-7 NASB
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    I have read postings for every one of these positions, and each one gives scriptures to back each position up.

    If you read through the positions, they are all saying you must eliminate something of God to believe their way. "Only", something of God is "insignificant", we are "not obligated", it "doesn't count", my way is "sufficient". All of them are closing their minds and hearts to something of God.
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    Quote Originally Posted by haz View Post
    I'd rather put my trust in what God says in His word rather than what J.I Packer says.

    Ps 118:8
    It is better to trust in the Lord Than to put confidence in man.

    I think that is quite a foolish statement.. Don't you think Packer put his trust in the word of the Lord?
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    Default Re: Antinomianism

    People need to research the term. (Find out what it means)
    Before they make broad accusations.
    But this is common here. (Accusations)
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    Quote Originally Posted by phil36 View Post
    I think that is quite a foolish statement.. Don't you think Packer put his trust in the word of the Lord?
    Ps 118:8
    It is better to trust in the Lord Than to put confidence in man.

    I think most here would agree that Ps 118:8 is not a foolish statement.

    We should always put our trust in God over man. To disagree with God and say we can put out trust in man, is foolish.

    Do you really advise that we should put our trust in Packer?
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    Default Re: Antinomianism

    by discussing the thoughts of other men does not mean you put your faith in their words over the written words and teachings of God.

    otherwise why bother with forum discussions at all?

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    I always thought antinomianism was a word that describe excuses to keep sinning?

    never seen this list but that word alone contains problems

    1. dualistic: that basically someone who thinks they can do anything in the flesh but their "spirit" remains pure

    2. spirit-centered: that God talks to them directly and they can do whatever that "spirit" says even if it contradicts the Bible's teachings

    3. Christ centered: those who will do a sin with the thought they can ask for forgiveness later because they think Jesus will wink at it.

    4. dispensational: another excuse to make up their own laws much like people did in the time of Judges

    5. situational: i guess this one would be referring to those who are unwilling to "judge" others, give up their duty to discern good and evil or preach the Gospel. it might even cover those who are willing to let others continue worshiping idols or follow other paths as long its all about "love" ?

    it gives you some boxes to place folks in but I wonder how its helpful to teaching them about Jesus and spreading the Gospel.

    I think we should discuss HOW you would answer each of those positions from a Biblically sound perspective.

    for example:

    1. Why is dualism wrong?

    2. what is the danger of being lead by a spirit that contradicts the Bible?

    3. What is the difference between Jesus dying for the redemption of sins and someone using Jesus blood as a cloak for their premeditated sins? WHy does Jesus quote the passage "do not tempt God" to Satan when He was in the desert?

    it does make one think....

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    Quote Originally Posted by haz View Post
    Ps 118:8
    It is better to trust in the Lord Than to put confidence in man.

    I think most here would agree that Ps 118:8 is not a foolish statement.

    We should always put our trust in God over man. To disagree with God and say we can put out trust in man, is foolish.

    Do you really advise that we should put our trust in Packer?


    Psalms 118:8 is not foolish, and its foolish to think discussing what the bible teaches is foolish.

    What I said was that..your statement was foolish. and quite out of context to the discussion.

    Antinomianism is talked about in scripture..

    My question for you haz, since you only read the bible and not mans opinion..what does the Bible say about antinomianism? and it does say plenty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phil36 View Post
    What I said was that..your statement was foolish.
    My statement is consistent with Ps 118:8. We should trust in God rather than man. I trust you don't have any opposition to Ps118:8? If not, then we would do better sharing on scripture rather than quoting so called "authorities" with the implication that they should be seen as a trusted authority on scripture.

    Quote Originally Posted by phil36 View Post
    Antinomianism is talked about in scripture..

    My question for you haz, since you only read the bible and not mans opinion..what does the Bible say about antinomianism? and it does say plenty.
    I haven't found the term "antinomiansism" in the Bible.

    According to Mr Packer that you quoted, there are several variations of "antinomianism".
    I assume from your starting this topic that you oppose antinomianism in it's various versions.
    I have been accused of following antinomianism, and always found this label comes without any scripture to support its opposition.

    The charge of "antinomiasm" is usually made against anyone who supports scripture such as 1John 3:9, where it states that Christians "cannot sin". I believe this is not referring to the physical. You might liken it to description 3 that you quoted from Packer.

    So I presume you oppose the view that Christ set us free from sin, John 8:36?

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    Quote Originally Posted by haz View Post
    My statement is consistent with Ps 118:8. We should trust in God rather than man. I trust you don't have any opposition to Ps118:8? If not, then we would do better sharing on scripture rather than quoting so called "authorities" with the implication that they should be seen as a trusted authority on scripture.



    I haven't found the term "antinomiansism" in the Bible.

    According to Mr Packer that you quoted, there are several variations of "antinomianism".
    I assume from your starting this topic that you oppose antinomianism in it's various versions.
    I have been accused of following antinomianism, and always found this label comes without any scripture to support its opposition.

    The charge of "antinomiasm" is usually made against anyone who supports scripture such as 1John 3:9, where it states that Christians "cannot sin". I believe this is not referring to the physical. You might liken it to description 3 that you quoted from Packer.

    So I presume you oppose the view that Christ set us free from sin, John 8:36?
    You can't find the term Millenium in the Bible either, but there is plenty of scriptural proof for a 1000 year reign of Christ on the earth.

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    It's just a term.
    Like "Armenian" or "Calvinist".
    It says that the moral law is done away with.
    It is wrong.
    Many claim a transference of this faulty doctrine to unconditional election.
    It is not the same in any way.
    In fact, it is a term thought up by those that oppose election to describe the 'ill' effects of believing that,-(unconditional election).
    As is the case with all faulty doctrine, it is based on the supposed moral reality of the other side.
    Of which is completely pasted onto them by the other side.

    It's like - "See, they are evil because we would be evil like them in this way if we believed like them".

    Unmerited grace only refutes antinomianism in real time. (Actuality)
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    Quote Originally Posted by RachelBibleStudent View Post
    the third one and the fifth one are true to a degree...

    in fact the third one as described in the original post actually says exactly what scripture says...

    this belief is not the problem because the belief is scriptural...the problem is a lack of balance...the fact that our works make no difference in our salvation should not be taken as an allowance to live as if we don't care...
    If you take the third one to mean embracing sin as a way of life, it is not Scriptural.

    But there is some wiggle room in the way it is stated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by haz View Post
    I'd rather put my trust in what God says in His word rather than what J.I Packer says.

    Ps 118:8
    It is better to trust in the Lord Than to put confidence in man.
    You haven't read much of J. I. Packer, have you, or you wouldn't be opposing him to what God says in his word.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phil36 View Post
    (5) “Situationist Antinomianism,” which teaches that love is the only rule and that duties (not just their application) will therefore vary according to circumstance.
    Love is not lawless. Love is the only law. He that loves his neighbor as himself has completed anything required by GOD's law.

    Jesus' commandments are:


    • Believe in Christ


    [The people] said to [Jesus], 'What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?' Jesus answered and said to them, 'This is the work of God, that you believe into him whom he has sent.' John 6:28-29

    Therefore, as you received Christ Jesus the Lord [by faith], so walk in him [by faith]. Colossians 2:6


    • Love your neighbor as yourself


    A new commandment I give to you: that you love one another. As I have loved you, also
    you love one another. John 13:34

    This is [GOD's] commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. And he that keeps his commandments dwells in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abides in us, by the Spirit which he has given us. 1 John 3:23-24

    For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery, you shall not commit murder, you shall not steal, you shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, are summed up in this statement: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does not commit evil against a neighbor, therefore love is the fulfillment of the law. Romans 13:9-10

    Therefore all things whatsoever you would that men should do to you, do you even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets. Matthew 7:12

    That's how simple it really is.

    What are the great commandments of Moses' law?


    • Master, which is the great commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. Matthew 22:36-40



    What does it mean to love GOD with all the heart, soul, and mind?


    • For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. 1 John 5:3
    • If ye love me, keep my commandments. John 14:15
    • He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. John 14:21



    And what are GOD's commandments?

    This is [GOD's] commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. 1 John 3:23


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